Rincewind Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 It may sound daft but rotweilers are not pet dogs. The come from a breed that are hunters. I can't say I know the full facts about them but they are not soft and cuddly dogs like poodles. When my nephew (now about 23) was crawling as a baby I rember him playing with the dog we had at the time. He was pulling his tail and all sorts of things and Rex was standing for it. But there was one moment when he turned round and snapped at my nephew. We immediately seperated them. Rex was a gentle dog and playful but it got too much for him and went with his intincts. I don't know how rough this child was being with the dog but without supervision it cannot be controlled. Rotweilers make great guard dogs and will protect their owner but they will also defend themselves. Just read one of the links. It appears the parents were only look after the dogs and pub whilst the owners were away. This would mean that it was of greater impotance that somebody watched over the baby and the dogs. The dogs would not be used to the new family.
Head Honcho Posted 24 September 2006 Author Posted 24 September 2006 It may sound daft but rotweilers are not pet dogs. The come from a breed that are hunters. I can't say I know the full facts about them but they are not soft and cuddly dogs like poodles. When my nephew (now about 23) was crawling as a baby I rember him playing with the dog we had at the time. He was pulling his tail and all sorts of things and Rex was standing for it. But there was one moment when he turned round and snapped at my nephew. We immediately seperated them. Rex was a gentle dog and playful but it got too much for him and went with his intincts. I don't know how rough this child was being with the dog but without supervision it cannot be controlled. Rotweilers make great guard dogs and will protect their owner but they will also defend themselves. At 5 months old I'd imagine the baby was in a cot or at least it should be! Aparently the baby was asleep when the dogs attacked and was then dragged onto the roof and mauled.
anotherwin Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 People who own big vicious dogs are really hard, and they have massive penises
Daggers Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 It may sound daft but rotweilers are not pet dogs. The come from a breed that are hunters. The official latin term is canis chav
Tommeh Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Things like this are extremely saddening What a stupid thing to do, the parents should be feeling so guilty now! R.I.P Kid - shame you didn't have much chance in life
cisono Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Your statement is correct but in a controlled environment the dogs are harmless! Why were they not muzzled? Apparently not. I watched this programme on telly in Italy (following those two cases within the space of two days or so). Apparently these dogs in particular can be fine, obedient, well-behaved and even friendly for years but then have one random moment of madness when they attack even people (especially children), even they know very well such as owners and their families. PS: People who walk around the street with such dogs should be shot
Milky Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Apparently not. I watched this programme on telly in Italy (following those two cases within the space of two days or so). Apparently these dogs in particular can be fine, obedient, well-behaved and even friendly for years but then have one random moment of madness when they attack even people (especially children), even they know very well such as owners and their families. PS: People who walk around the street with such dogs should be shot well said
Thracian Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 kill the dogs! not safe around humans. They've already been put down. But what about the owners?. Rottweilers can be great dogs. But as the former owner of an alsation I cannot emphasise how important proper training and proper security is for anyone who owns such animals. I spent two years constantly training my own dog. It was a legend in our area and when my third born was a young un some parents would only let their kids go to the rec providing my son and our alsation went with them. She found thieves, disturbed intruders, looked after our baby in its pram and warned off so many potential troublemakers you could have written a book about her. despite living by a main road she never needed a lead. We used one occasionally but you got the impression it was beneath her dignity. When you wanted a response you just had to talk to her quietly. She never had a days illness in all but the last months of the 100-odd dog years of her life and no matter how we tried she would never breed. She had not the slightest interest in breeding right up to the day until she ambled over, touched me with her nose and in effect asked me to end her life. The vet came and she died in my arms. It's not the dogs .....at least not in my experience.
Thracian Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 seems everyone round there was shit scared of the dogs That's the idea of having guard dogs. It is the owners responsibility to ensure that they only serve to give warning. And of course all the people whose actions require others to have guard dogs have played their tiny part in this sad consequence.
Dr The Singh Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 They've already been put down. But what about the owners?. Rottweilers can be great dogs. But as the former owner of an alsation I cannot emphasise how important proper training and proper security is for anyone who owns such animals. I spent two years constantly training my own dog. It was a legend in our area and when my third born was a young un some parents would only let their kids go to the rec providing my son and our alsation went with them. She found thieves, disturbed intruders, looked after our baby in its pram and warned off so many potential troublemakers you could have written a book about her. despite living by a main road she never needed a lead. We used one occasionally but you got the impression it was beneath her dignity. When you wanted a response you just had to talk to her quietly. She never had a days illness in all but the last months of the 100-odd dog years of her life and no matter how we tried she would never breed. She had not the slightest interest in breeding right up to the day until she ambled over, touched me with her nose and in effect asked me to end her life. The vet came and she died in my arms. It's not the dogs .....at least not in my experience. Agreed, my parents own a alsation (Sher Singh), a very well behaved dog, and one that is great with kids. But even so, we were still cautious with it around our babies but that's no fault of the dog, we've heard horror stories about dogs attacking babies and it was a precautionary thing!!!
Daggers Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Dogs yap, bark, piss and shit all over the place and (in the main) are owned by morons that treat them as penis extensions or little children. Apologies to all good dog owners on the list that pick up their dogs crap and use muzzles I know it is a contentious position to take, and for that I apologise - but look on the upside...no more Crufts!
Janx Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Has anyone on here considered the parents feelings, YES they might be subhuman scum, yes they may like big dogs to make then feel tough and hard, yes they may have been stupid.... WE DONT KNOW ANY OF THAT!! Also, they must be devastated, they have lost their child, their baby, I for one fear everyday that mine is dafe and well and out of harms reach and would protect him with 24hr security guards if I could, just imagine HOW bad they are feeling... one hopes.
The People's Hero Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Has anyone on here considered the parents feelings, YES they might be subhuman scum, yes they may like big dogs to make then feel tough and hard, yes they may have been stupid.... WE DONT KNOW ANY OF THAT!! Also, they must be devastated, they have lost their child, their baby, I for one fear everyday that mine is dafe and well and out of harms reach and would protect him with 24hr security guards if I could, just imagine HOW bad they are feeling... one hopes. Good point. We shouldn't lose sight of that. It's a pretty sorry situation.
Daggers Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Has anyone on here considered the parents feelings, YES they might be subhuman scum, yes they may like big dogs to make then feel tough and hard, yes they may have been stupid.... WE DONT KNOW ANY OF THAT!! Also, they must be devastated, they have lost their child, their baby, I for one fear everyday that mine is dafe and well and out of harms reach and would protect him with 24hr security guards if I could, just imagine HOW bad they are feeling... one hopes. The dogs didn't belong to the parents, they were guard dogs owned by the publican who was on holiday. The parents were running the pub when the baby was taken by the dogs. I have cast no aspersion on the parents, who will obviously be feeling mortified and shock today. Every time we go to Sutton Park my kids get scared stiff by the dogs that run up to them. The dog owners always bark out orders about how they should behave or react...and then get indignant when I point out that maybe they should be controlling their bloody animals rather than me having to put my kids on a leash. Why do these morons think they have the right to allow their animals to roam and frighten? Ridiculous.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 The dogs didn't belong to the parents, they were guard dogs owned by the publican who was on holiday. The parents were running the pub when the baby was taken by the dogs. I have cast no aspersion on the parents, who will obviously be feeling mortified and shock today. Every time we go to Sutton Park my kids get scared stiff by the dogs that run up to them. The dog owners always bark out orders about how they should behave or react...and then get indignant when I point out that maybe they should be controlling their bloody animals rather than me having to put my kids on a leash. Why do these morons think they have the right to allow their animals to roam and frighten? Ridiculous. I agree about dogs. Don't like them at all. Hate all unpredictable animals. Not too fond of daddy-long-legs and Danny Tiatto for this reason also.
Janx Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 I agree about dogs. Don't like them at all. Hate all unpredictable animals. Not too fond of daddy-long-legs and Danny Tiatto for this reason also. They are launching all out attack at the moment...Spetember and all that... but thank goodness their deadly venow is useless to them!!
The People's Hero Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 I agree about dogs. Don't like them at all. Hate all unpredictable animals. Not too fond of daddy-long-legs and Danny Tiatto for this reason also. I used to really be scared of dogs. There are some really nicely natured ones in the offices next to ours. I like them.
Daggers Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 They are launching all out attack at the moment...Spetember and all that... but thank goodness their deadly venow is useless to them!! They wouldn't be as much of a bother if all Daddy Long Legs had to wear muzzles. Why oh why will this government do nothing? Why oh why do they not act to nip this menace in the bud?
Rincewind Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Dogs sense fear. So neighbours who complained about the dogs must have been sending out fear vibes. Dos like Alsations/Rotweiler are normally one owner dogs. They are protective over their territory. Any strange noise or change to their living enviroment can set their natual intincts. Being shut in a room that could have been crying would be enough. They may have missed their owners and confused as to why they were not there. But we will not know for sure. It was just a tragic event. Putting blame on the parents may not be entirely right. I would imagine, ifthey had worked at the pub before they would be aware of the dogs and trusted them. The dogs also may have been used to them. The dogs may have been in the company of small children before. I've not read all the reports as I think sometimes it is hard to make a fair judgement of how accurate a reported story is. A few words can sway the readers minds one way or another.
Janx Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 BREAKING NEWS: The couple who lost their baby were looking after the pub and dogs in the landlords absence, they were on holiday!
Ultra Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 An awful event. I know that area well and used to live within yards of the pub where it happened. The parents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They deserve sympathy not condemnation.
Janx Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 An awful event. I know that area well and used to live within yards of the pub where it happened. The parents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They deserve sympathy not condemnation. exactly, it wasnt their dogs
The People's Hero Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 An awful event. I know that area well and used to live within yards of the pub where it happened. The parents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They deserve sympathy not condemnation. Wow, I'm agreeing with Ultra!
Head Honcho Posted 25 September 2006 Author Posted 25 September 2006 An awful event. I know that area well and used to live within yards of the pub where it happened. The parents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They deserve sympathy not condemnation. Don't talk bollox. Advertently or inadvertently they exposed their child to the dogs and deserve no sympathy! We have hundreds of laws protecting children unfortunately their is no law against have a couple of fvck wits as parents
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