Matt Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 RIP very sad news It may sound daft but rotweilers are not pet dogs. The come from a breed that are hunters. I can't say I know the full facts about them but they are not soft and cuddly dogs like poodles. Bullshit, Sorry but I won't have a bad word said about Rotweilers or any Dog, You TRAIN dogs to be guard dogs or nasty dogs, Also if they are mistreated (By "accident" or on purpose) I had a Rottweiler for 12 years before I had to have it put down due to a tumour, I was months old when my dad bought the Rottweiler, The dog grew up with my I grew up with the dog, and it was soft a shit, it was soft and cuddly and tbh the Black Labrador I currently own is more dangerous than the Rotty I owned, I tease and wind my Lab up and it bites me/play fights with me but it knows the difference between joke and hurting me/people, It knows who boss is....This is the case with all dogs, If there was an intruder in my house my dog wouldn't have a clue what to do, The dog would be more likly to be hiding behind me rather than attacking intruder/protecting me. I never saw my Rotty attack anyone or anything and I know she didn't, I have however seen my Lab attempt to chase after another dog because it was on own land but as soon as I went in to split my dog and the other dog up the Lab knew who was boss. I'm sorry but I have heard so many people slagging Rotty and "big" dogs off altogether today and I won't have a bad word said about any of them. Its very sad whats happened, but theres guard dogs which you train to be nasty/protective and theres pet dogs with you also train to keep them in check and keep them under control Rottweilers included!
Daggers Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 I'm not going to waste time debating this at length but there are huge benefits to dog ownership. I totally agree. What about violent people?. What about violent people? What has this got to do with dogs? Have you ever owned a dog because from what you say I doubt it?. As a kid we had a labrador, and then me and Mrs DB had an Old English Sheepdog. Dogs are no more unpredicatable than people and generally far less dangerous when the are. Would you like to wear a muzzle everytime you went out?. I can't begin to describe how crass this statement is. I am not a dog, a dog is not human, I do not attack children and adults whereas dogs do. I trusted my alsation completely and regularly played with it by putting my entire forearm in its mouth with only a sleeve between me and its teeth and simply whispering the word "gently". Marvelous, because you are one of the doting dog owners that look after your pet and obviously considered the possible problems when it met strangers. Many people do not. They are very poor pet owners and consequently should not be "entitled" to look after one. If you prove yourself to be a piss poor driver your car licence is taken away ~ why should irresponsible pet owners be allowed to carry on regardless? It is not fair on the animal, it is not fair on the people the animal comes into contact with. Just because you know you have raised your pet well and you are in control of it - it doesn't mean people can perceive it that way. A responsible dog owner takes proactive steps to demonstrate this, the muzzle and keep the animal on a lead.
Thracian Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 I totally agree. What about violent people? What has this got to do with dogs? As a kid we had a labrador, and then me and Mrs DB had an Old English Sheepdog. I can't begin to describe how crass this statement is. I am not a dog, a dog is not human, I do not attack children and adults whereas dogs do. Marvelous, because you are one of the doting dog owners that look after your pet and obviously considered the possible problems when it met strangers. Many people do not. They are very poor pet owners and consequently should not be "entitled" to look after one. If you prove yourself to be a piss poor driver your car licence is taken away ~ why should irresponsible pet owners be allowed to carry on regardless? It is not fair on the animal, it is not fair on the people the animal comes into contact with. Just because you know you have raised your pet well and you are in control of it - it doesn't mean people can perceive it that way. A responsible dog owner takes proactive steps to demonstrate this, the muzzle and keep the animal on a lead. Plenty of humans do attack children and adults, kill em even. And if piss poor drivers lose their licences how come there are so many f....g awful drivers on the roads at weekends?
Rincewind Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Matt, you misunderstood me. Certain types of dog are specially bred for hunting. I knew somebody who bred bull-pits. He used to run a croft in Scotland at one time and uses his dogs just for rabbiting and the like. He never kept them in the house. When in Leicester he had about a dozen dogs and the only one that was in the house was a bulldog. His wife wanted a dog as a pet and not part of his buisness (mind she got home from work one day and he had sold it) These types of dogs can be trained but it takes a lot of patience and there has to be a lot of trust between dog and owner. Different breeds have different temperments. Labradors are more intellegent which is why they make good guide dogs. Little dogs are yappers and try to take on the bigger dogs. People buy these dogs as pups because they look so 'cute' but have no idea how to look after them or control them. Some dogs need more attention than others but I don't claim to be an expert on the subject. It's more of an observation. Theres been dogs in my family but we normally had the mixed breed types that were very lively and had a mind of their own. They barked everytime somebody knocked on the door and jumped up at every visior. We were not really bothered about the in depth training and TBH the ones we had were too daft. They were just pets. Another point Matt is that your dog grew up with you over the years, the two in the pub may not have been used to the part-time owners. They would not understand why their devoted owners had left them with strangers.
Daggers Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Plenty of humans do attack children and adults, kill em even. And if piss poor drivers lose their licences how come there are so many f....g awful drivers on the roads at weekends? Honestly T, I have no idea what this has to do with dogs
Milky Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 it's when dog owners talk to their dogs like they are children that makes me sick.
stez Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 nice to see you all (well some) waiting til the full facts have come out before you start condemning the parents but on the strength of the 'article' allen put up you condemned the parents? there was nothing in the article! anywho they may be 'nut jobs' but i'll wait til the facts are out like i said, they could be at fault, but if they weren't and they were to get wind of the condemnation they're in reciept of i bet that would help them come to terms with their loss a whole lot quicker Has anyone on here considered the parents feelings, YES they might be subhuman scum, yes they may like big dogs to make then feel tough and hard, yes they may have been stupid.... WE DONT KNOW ANY OF THAT!! Also, they must be devastated, they have lost their child, their baby, I for one fear everyday that mine is dafe and well and out of harms reach and would protect him with 24hr security guards if I could, just imagine HOW bad they are feeling... one hopes. That's the idea of having guard dogs. It is the owners responsibility to ensure that they only serve to give warning. And of course all the people whose actions require others to have guard dogs have played their tiny part in this sad consequence. no? really?? bloody hell thanks for telling me
Matt Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Matt, you misunderstood me. Certain types of dog are specially bred for hunting. I knew somebody who bred bull-pits. He used to run a croft in Scotland at one time and uses his dogs just for rabbiting and the like. He never kept them in the house. When in Leicester he had about a dozen dogs and the only one that was in the house was a bulldog. His wife wanted a dog as a pet and not part of his buisness (mind she got home from work one day and he had sold it) These types of dogs can be trained but it takes a lot of patience and there has to be a lot of trust between dog and owner. Different breeds have different temperments. Labradors are more intellegent which is why they make good guide dogs. Little dogs are yappers and try to take on the bigger dogs. People buy these dogs as pups because they look so 'cute' but have no idea how to look after them or control them. Some dogs need more attention than others but I don't claim to be an expert on the subject. It's more of an observation. Theres been dogs in my family but we normally had the mixed breed types that were very lively and had a mind of their own. They barked everytime somebody knocked on the door and jumped up at every visior. We were not really bothered about the in depth training and TBH the ones we had were too daft. They were just pets. Another point Matt is that your dog grew up with you over the years, the two in the pub may not have been used to the part-time owners. They would not understand why their devoted owners had left them with strangers. Don't think my Rotty had any training at all (i.e - Didn't take it to Dog Training) just trained it by ourselves and we're very strict with her. My lad needed lots of training so much we had to take him to a dog trainer he still didn't really obey instruction with the trainer. Also the dogs in the pub we're trained to be nasty/protective they should although I hate to say it and it is animal crulety (IMO) locked up in units or cages or even in dog houses, the shouldn't have been roaming around upstairs, and who knows...this may have been the case and the temporary owners may have not done this or forgot the dogs got out and the disaster happened, although we know more than we did on saturday/sunday we still don't know the truth or full facts of the story.
Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Honestly T, I have no idea what this has to do with dogs Because accidents involving dogs are invariably the fault of humans rather than the dogs. I don't really want to go into depths because the rottweilers incident is so upsetting. But I'll give an unconnected example of what I mean. An article I read in a paper this morning referred to a surprise attack by a supposedly harmless breed (there's no such thing really) and yet referred to how the dog had suddenly been locked up when a baby came along. In my view big dogs should never be locked up in one room of a house. If you want a dog to stay downstairs, train it to stay downstairs. We had an example of the consequences near me when a women new to owning an alsation raced round to my house in tears asking if I would have her dog because it had wrecked her front room. Why's is done that, I asked?. Was it locked in? Of course it was and I asked the woman if she'd like to be locked in a room. The dog had become anxious and uncomfortable when the sun came out in the middle of the day and it couldn't get out to its water and couldn't lie down somewhere cool. If people cannot be bothered to look after animals properly and to understand that they have problems, irritations, characteristics like people and other animals, they shouldn't own them. Because mistakes cost the dogs their lives, not the owners.
Daggers Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 it's when dog owners talk to their dogs like they are children that makes me sick. Or kiss them like lovers
stez Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Or kiss them like lovers or when they try and go on a date with a dog!
Janx Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 you wait there will be reports of Dog attacks all over the country next, thats what happened about 10 years ago when licences and muzzles were introduced
Head Honcho Posted 26 September 2006 Author Posted 26 September 2006 Just read that the father of the baby was watching city when he got the call about his daughter.
stez Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 you wait there will be reports of Dog attacks all over the country next, thats what happened about 10 years ago when licences and muzzles were introduced they got rid of actual dog licences years ago didn't they? i remember when we had a dog it cost 10p (or summat) from the post office. i wouldn't be against it coming back as long as it ment something. ie potential owners ar checked and given proper advice on caring for and training a dog. that 'dangerous dogs act' came at a time when the tories were banning everything, but the DDA was a good move. there was a dog round our way when i was a kid (big ben) a great dane, that everyone was shit scared of and was always escaping his garden to roam the streets. a muzzle on him would've been nice, and would've ment we could have carried on playing football and not have to run off and climb trees to escape!!
Daggers Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 or when they try and go on a date with a dog! :w00t: :laugh: I wonder if they so a S&M version with muzzles?
Lester LXXIV Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 :w00t: :laugh: I wonder if they so a S&M version with muzzles? there was another reported incident like this happened down the road from me yesterday. Some poor kid in Bognor Regis, thankfully he was saved though!
The People's Hero Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 there was another reported incident like this happened down the road from me yesterday. Some poor kid in Bognor Regis, thankfully he was saved though! Just read about it.
Janx Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 Just read about it. Surprise surprise.... I refer you to my post about 5 or 6 up! <_<
Lester LXXIV Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 Surprise surprise.... I refer you to my post about 5 or 6 up! <_< Yep
Daggers Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 Kids/people get attacked every day by dogs that have irresponsible owners, it only gets reported in the media after something awful happens. This cycle will continue until muzzles and leads are required for all dogs in all public areas by law.
Dr The Singh Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 Kids/people get attacked every day by dogs that have irresponsible owners, it only gets reported in the media after something awful happens. This cycle will continue until muzzles and leads are required for all dogs in all public areas by law. Agreed, and tougher sentences for there owners!!!
Jon the Hat Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 Kids/people get attacked every day by dogs that have irresponsible owners, it only gets reported in the media after something awful happens. This cycle will continue until muzzles and leads are required for all dogs in all public areas by law. No chance. That's like banning all cars becuase some people speed. But don't let logic stop you. Anything else you have a personal dislike of that we should ban??
Daggers Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 No chance. That's like banning all cars becuase some people speed. But don't let logic stop you. Anything else you have a personal dislike of that we should ban?? No it isn't. Banning dogs altogether would be like banning cars because some people speed...if you are going to invent things that you think I have said then at least work on your analogies. Go back over every post I have made and you just see how many times I used the word 'ban'? Done it yet? OK, I'll tell you - none. But why make stating fact come in the way of making a bogus point, eh? Making everyone wear seat belts in cars was the response to problems with speeding and crashing, and it has worked quite well wouldn't you say? Getting dogs to be placed under control in public areas and requiring them to be muzzled ensures that no one will be attacked in public by a dog. Don't like it? I don't believe we've benefited from your wisdom yet by way of providing a solution...
Stevosevic Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 it's when dog owners talk to their dogs like they are children that makes me sick. i dont know if you have a dog or not, but i have grown up with two golden retrievers, i am now 17, and the more you get used to them being there you do find yourself talking to them(obviously not at length ). i dont know any pet owner that doesnt talk to their animal.
Thracian Posted 27 September 2006 Posted 27 September 2006 you wait there will be reports of Dog attacks all over the country next, thats what happened about 10 years ago when licences and muzzles were introduced I thought exactly the same and its already started. It's always the prelude to some new legislative proposals.
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