Thracian Posted 30 November 2006 Posted 30 November 2006 Who was the person who mocked me when I said we would have Sharia Law aqpplied in this country - and perhaps even our first acknowledged Sharia Law execution - within 20 years? Perhaps they were mocking the timescale. The front page and an inside page of today's Daily Express reports Dr Patrick Sookhdeo of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity as saying: " Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities with different sectarian and ethnic groups operating their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their tradition." The article followed an admission that an unofficial Islamic court in Woolwich, South London, administered justice (through agreed compensation) in respect of some Somalis who admitted attacking another Somali.
Daggers Posted 30 November 2006 Posted 30 November 2006 Who was the person who mocked me... It wasn't me, but I'm happy to be the most recent.
l444ry Posted 30 November 2006 Posted 30 November 2006 No disrespect to the last two contributers but the responses have highlighted exactly why this travesty is even being considered in a so-called modern country.... jest and ignorance. As people have decided that religion is irrelevant, rightly or wrongly, liberalism and ignorance have put Christianity and Islam on an equal footing. This is a great mistake. Muslims are deadly serious about their religion. Christianity has modernised (to some extent) but Islam is still in the dark ages.
Lemon Harpic Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 The article followed an admission that an unofficial Islamic court in Woolwich, South London, administered justice (through agreed compensation) in respect of some Somalis who admitted attacking another Somali. Unofficial, eh? So no power to compell suspects to attend the court hearing, or to arrest, detain, physically punish etc the suspect? It sounds as though all the Islamic court can do is fine a wrongdoer if they agree to it! Why are you getting your knickers in a twist?
Daggers Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 The Day The Nazi Died - Chumbawamba we're taught that after the war the nazis vanished without a trace but batallions of fascists still dream of a master race the history books they tell of their defeat in 45 why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died they say the prisoner of spandau was a symbol of defeat whilst hess remained imprisoned then the fascists they were beat so the promise of an aryan world would never materialize so why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died the world is ridden by maggots the maggots are getting fat they're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats they're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride and they all came out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died so if you meet with these historians i'll tell you what to say tell them that the nazis never really went away they're out there burning houses down and they're peddling racist lies and we'll never rest again until every nazi dies
l444ry Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 Unofficial, eh? So no power to compell suspects to attend the court hearing, or to arrest, detain, physically punish etc the suspect? It sounds as though all the Islamic court can do is fine a wrongdoer if they agree to it! Why are you getting your knickers in a twist? Don't know what you're getting at Harpic. The point Thracian is making (I think) is that sharia law is creeping into British society....unofficially or not. If you think this is a good thing, then O.K. but don't be suprised if it is anathema to the rest of us. This case is only the thin edge of the wedge. If Muslim's do not wish to respect the majority of the society they live in and attempt to change our legal system in a democratic fashion, then they should go and live in a country that does practice sharia law.
Daggers Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 Don't know what you're getting at Harpic. The point Thracian is making (I think) is that sharia law is creeping into British society....unofficially or not. If you think this is a good thing, then O.K. but don't be suprised if it is anathema to the rest of us. This case is only the thin edge of the wedge. If Muslim's do not wish to respect the majority of the society they live in and attempt to change our legal system in a democratic fashion, then they should go and live in a country that does practice sharia law. Thin edge of a wedge is it? Christ! What's coming next? Don't say they'll ban Christmas pudding, the Henley regatta and Ye Olde English tradition of fighting on the hard-shoulders of motorways? Damn foreigners and their horrible foreign ways, eh? Why don't they just stay in their smelly countries and build hotels for us to stay in on our holidays? They ought to be made to renounce their language, culture and skin colour at the docks as they get off their boats, eh? Oh, and in the delivery rooms of the country. You can throw 'jesting' at me any day of the week...but keep the 'ignorance' for those afraid of cultures they don't understand.
Dr The Singh Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 Don't know what you're getting at Harpic. The point Thracian is making (I think) is that sharia law is creeping into British society....unofficially or not. If you think this is a good thing, then O.K. but don't be suprised if it is anathema to the rest of us. This case is only the thin edge of the wedge. If Muslim's do not wish to respect the majority of the society they live in and attempt to change our legal system in a democratic fashion, then they should go and live in a country that does practice sharia law. Agreed, the law of the land must come first. These sorts of incidence's will open a whole can of mistrust between the muslim community and the rest of society, surely they must see that this will only alienate them further!!!
Strokes Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 Thin edge of a wedge is it? Christ! What's coming next? Don't say they'll ban Christmas pudding, the Henley regatta and Ye Olde English tradition of fighting on the hard-shoulders of motorways? Damn foreigners and their horrible foreign ways, eh? Why don't they just stay in their smelly countries and build hotels for us to stay in on our holidays? They ought to be made to renounce their language, culture and skin colour at the docks as they get off their boats, eh? Oh, and in the delivery rooms of the country. You can throw 'jesting' at me any day of the week...but keep the 'ignorance' for those afraid of cultures they don't understand. You really are pathetic Bob, do you even read peoples posts properly, nobody has said any of the above but you just branding them racsist 'stereotyping' because they stand a different side of the fence to you, isn't too much different from racism now is it.
Babylon Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 surely they must see that this will only alienate them further!!! I'm starting to think that's what they want.
Thracian Posted 1 December 2006 Author Posted 1 December 2006 Unofficial, eh? So no power to compell suspects to attend the court hearing, or to arrest, detain, physically punish etc the suspect? It sounds as though all the Islamic court can do is fine a wrongdoer if they agree to it! Why are you getting your knickers in a twist? I only said that "unofficial" court gave that decision. You should perhaps read the rest of the article first but if you think that court has "no power" to compel suspects to attend then I think you're living in a fantasy world. As for the extent of those powers, I am inclined to believe on the basis of the article I mentioned- when placed alongside other articles I've read - that their "powers" might well depend on the offence. More generally, I should mention that some academics believe that ethnic "courts" may actually serve a purpose in maintaining racial and multi-cultural harmony and from reading what they said they might have a point. I just felt it was sad that our nation was in such a state that such harmony needed to be maintained in this way due to a lack of respect for some of our our values/laws and, it was suggested by one of those interviewed, a lack of faith in the ability of the police to see those laws are upheld anyway.
Daggers Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 You really are pathetic Bob, do you even read peoples posts properly, nobody has said any of the above but you just branding them racsist 'stereotyping' because they stand a different side of the fence to you, isn't too much different from racism now is it. Me pathetic? :w00t: Seeing as you vote BNP I'd have thought you'd have been able to spell RACIST properly...ah no, hang on...it's that inability that is a causal factor in you voting BNP isn't it Fox4evaBraun! I have no truck with bigots, fascists, their excusers & sympathisers. You support the politics of hate, you have no voice.
Strokes Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 Me pathetic? :w00t: Seeing as you vote BNP I'd have thought you'd have been able to spell RACIST properly...ah no, hang on...it's that inability that is a causal factor in you voting BNP isn't it Fox4evaBraun! I have no truck with bigots, fascists, their excusers & sympathisers. You support the politics of hate, you have no voice. And the fact you beleive that says much more about you than it does me.
Dr The Singh Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I only said that "unofficial" court gave that decision. You should perhaps read the rest of the article first but if you think that court has "no power" to compel suspects to attend then I think you're living in a fantasy world. As for the extent of those powers, I am inclined to believe on the basis of the article I mentioned- when placed alongside other articles I've read - that their "powers" might well depend on the offence. More generally, I should mention that some academics believe that ethnic "courts" may actually serve a purpose in maintaining racial and multi-cultural harmony and from reading what they said they might have a point. I just felt it was sad that our nation was in such a state that such harmony needed to be maintained in this way due to a lack of respect for some of our our values/laws and, it was suggested by one of those interviewed, a lack of faith in the ability of the police to see those laws are upheld anyway. Britian has the best law\policing system in the world, far superior then any muslim nation or any nation, yes it's not perfect!!! It has encampassed and taken into consideration the multi cultural nature of the land far more then any nation!!! For me this is just an attempt by a minority of a certain faith, to uphold there beliefs of there culture and there religion, then the law of the land!! Hey, so do I now have a chioce on which system my crime's are punishable by, ie british justice system or a Sikh devised system (by the way Sikhs have no religious law system in any holy book, there is no such thing as religious law)..........That's just ridiculious, the law of the land is for all that live in it, obey or foooooook offfffff!!!!
Thracian Posted 1 December 2006 Author Posted 1 December 2006 The Day The Nazi Died - Chumbawamba we're taught that after the war the nazis vanished without a trace but batallions of fascists still dream of a master race the history books they tell of their defeat in 45 why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died they say the prisoner of spandau was a symbol of defeat whilst hess remained imprisoned then the fascists they were beat so the promise of an aryan world would never materialize so why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died the world is ridden by maggots the maggots are getting fat they're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats they're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride and they all came out of the woodwork on the day the nazi died so if you meet with these historians i'll tell you what to say tell them that the nazis never really went away they're out there burning houses down and they're peddling racist lies and we'll never rest again until every nazi dies You do peddle some rot, and utterly offensive rot at times. I am a passionate defender of free speech so you can deliver your scurrilous and utterly unfounded innuendo as much as you like. But while we're talking free speech I can imagine the only reason you've been appointed a moderator is because you are suited to the making up of some politically correct representation that is perceived as being necessary for the site's integrity. It certainly has nothing to do with maintaining rational, fair and reasonable debate on these forums. Fortunately my many foreign-born friends would simply mock the nonsense you come out with. In fact to offer you the grace of a reply is to dignify the indefensible. My concern about Sharia Law is as much out of concern for immigrants who perhaps came here to escape potentially extreme and uncompromising interpretation of Islamic doctrine. That does not for a moment suggest any ""unofficial" court in this country is presently operating in anything other than a moderate manner - I have no evidence one way or the other and imagine it varies to some extent depending on who sits in judgement. But the potential for immoderation concerns me.
Lemon Harpic Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I only said that "unofficial" court gave that decision. You should perhaps read the rest of the article first but if you think that court has "no power" to compel suspects to attend then I think you're living in a fantasy world. I don't read the Sexpress, so I haven't been able to read the article. Does the unofficial Sharia court have any legal power to compel suspects to attend? Yes or no? What happens to those who abscond? What, legally, can the Sharia court do? You are getting worked up over nothing. Some households hold 'family courts' where mum, dad and sis decide whether or not bro has been stealing all the biscuits. These Sharia courts, until they are given official legal powers, are the same thing, aren't they?
Dr The Singh Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I don't read the Sexpress, so I haven't been able to read the article. Does the unofficial Sharia court have any legal power to compel suspects to attend? Yes or no? What happens to those who abscond? What, legally, can the Sharia court do? You are getting worked up over nothing. Some households hold 'family courts' where mum, dad and sis decide whether or not bro has been stealing all the biscuits. These Sharia courts, until they are given official legal powers, are the same thing, aren't they? Lemon Harpic, you have taken things out of perspective!! Living a a minor on your parents home and living by your parents rule is different from obiding a religious law book that has 'finite' punishments!!!
Thracian Posted 1 December 2006 Author Posted 1 December 2006 I don't read the Sexpress, so I haven't been able to read the article. Does the unofficial Sharia court have any legal power to compel suspects to attend? Yes or no? What happens to those who abscond? What, legally, can the Sharia court do? You are getting worked up over nothing. Some households hold 'family courts' where mum, dad and sis decide whether or not bro has been stealing all the biscuits. These Sharia courts, until they are given official legal powers, are the same thing, aren't they? a) Within the Islamic society in which it operates it is, I believe, a recognised authority whether unofficial or not and, as such, has power which will doubtless grow on the basis of custom and practise. b) That would depend on the authority of those sitting in judgement which would doubtless vary and might well, in some cases, be intimidating. But, in the Woolwich example, the assailants and their families reportedly accepted the judgement. I doubt if, at the very least, any one of them wished to otherwise be ostractised from their ethnic community and whatever that might entail. c) They could indeed be considered an extention of what you describe but to the point where they demonstrably deal with offences which might otherwise be dealt with in an English court of law. How far-reaching their powers and what they would judge, officially or otherwise, wasn't discussed in the article. However, there have been examples of women being murdered in this country for committing adultery and it would be interesting to know if those actions were ever based on either broader family consensus or, indeed, the consensus of the established Islamic (local) authority. In either case, the action taken would have been well outside that allowed by English law.
Daggers Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I can imagine the only reason you've been appointed a moderator is because you are suited to the making up of some politically correct representation that is perceived as being necessary for the site's integrity. That's correct - I'm the one legged black lesbian.
Zingari Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 there's a couple of posters that should amalgamate (the silly party and the very silly party) i'm not sure if they should be called lemon disco or harpic bob ( i'm for harpic bob , it conjures up a nice image of sh*t clean round the bend !!) how the **** can someone's legitimate concerns regarding the undue inflence of a religion on people's lives elicit the ridiculous anti nazi tirades from these two ? surely if there is a nazi attitude its the ones who wish to dominate others by the use of ridiculous ourmoded religious dogma
The People's Hero Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I was sacked when it turned out I wasn't really a 2 headed Algerian, bi-sexual, self-harming shrew.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I was sacked when it turned out I wasn't really a 2 headed Algerian, bi-sexual, self-harming shrew. How on earth would a shrew self harm? EDIT: ahhh just relised, obviously a two headed sherw could bite itself.
Lord Nibblington Posted 1 December 2006 Posted 1 December 2006 I was sacked when it turned out I wasn't really a 2 headed Algerian, bi-sexual, self-harming shrew. That's quite an alarming mental picture you've just given me. Thanks!
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