What a thing to have to tell your kids

[Thracian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_...rist_confession

What did you do today, dad?

"Well son I planned an attack which caused thousands of unarmed, uninvolved office workers, and lots of them women, son, to be blasted into oblivion, to lose their arms, their legs, half their brains and to cause their families untold misery.

"It was a good day," son.

And all in the name of religious idealogy. All in the supposed belief that his "praise be to" God would be delighted.

What a hero.

And what a wonderful example to the children he presumably believes his God gave him.

[Zingari]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_...rist_confession

What did you do today, dad?

"Well son I planned an attack which caused thousands of unarmed, uninvolved office workers, and lots of them women, son, to be blasted into oblivion, to lose their arms, their legs, half their brains and to cause their families untold misery.

"It was a good day," son.

And all in the name of religious idealogy. All in the supposed belief that his "praise be to" God would be delighted.

What a hero.

And what a wonderful example to the children he presumably believes his God gave him.

nice one thracian you rascal ; i think i know where this thread is going

[Daggers]

i think i know where this thread is going

That's right - HAIR!

I've been concerned recently that terrorists just weren't taking their appearance seriously - so I was delighted to read this article and find AT BLOODY LAST there is at least one man in this world for whom appearance is all.

On a side note - it is nice to see hairy chests with a shaved neck ring making a come back.

[Thracian]

That's right - HAIR!

I've been concerned recently that terrorists just weren't taking their appearance seriously - so I was delighted to read this article and find AT BLOODY LAST there is at least one man in this world for whom appearance is all.

On a side note - it is nice to see hairy chests with a shaved neck ring making a come back.

Hair to match his soul.

[Jon the Hat]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_...rist_confession

What did you do today, dad?

"Well son I planned an attack which caused thousands of unarmed, uninvolved office workers, and lots of them women, son, to be blasted into oblivion, to lose their arms, their legs, half their brains and to cause their families untold misery.

"It was a good day," son.

And all in the name of religious idealogy. All in the supposed belief that his "praise be to" God would be delighted.

What a hero.

And what a wonderful example to the children he presumably believes his God gave him.

He is no worse than Blair or Bush.

[Dr The Singh]

He is no worse than Blair or Bush.

NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!

[Zingari]

He is no worse than Blair or Bush.

of couse not; and churchill was no worse than hitler

[Dr The Singh]

of couse not; and churchill was no worse than hitler

Well said my Brother Blue!!!

[Head Honcho]

For some of his handiwork read the paragraph concerning Daniel Pearls death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

[Bryn]

He is no worse than Blair or Bush.

This type of knee-jerk, unbased and frankly wrong assertion does nothing but betray your idiocy.

[James.]

This type of knee-jerk, unbased and frankly wrong assertion does nothing but betray your idiocy.

I think I know what you're trying to say but isn't it a good thing to "betray your idiocy"?

Maybe "convey" would have been a better word.

Err, I'll go now.

[Daggers]

Hair to match his soul.

Flyaway? Receeding? Unkept?

That must be why you can buy conditioner for 'difficult' hair

[Jon the Hat]

This type of knee-jerk, unbased and frankly wrong assertion does nothing but betray your idiocy.

Why? He fights his war the way he knows best and we fight it the way we know best. We can't expect to set the rules.

[Thracian]

He is no worse than Blair or Bush.

Oh, that excuses it then.

And why not. It has been the banner throughout history. Kill our people and we'll kill yours.

The perfect excuse for a bloodbath really.

And perhaps a clever act of creation to keep the population down, this revenge thing.

No idea why it concerned me to be honest.

For services to planet Earth I give you Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, George Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden et al...heroes one and all and none really worse than one another apart from the numbers!

My apologies for failing to see the bigger picture.

In the final analysis, sad to say, you are probably right though.

I was going to argue that The Twin Towers was a premeditated and calculated attack intended to kill and maim thousands of completely innocent and uninvolved people.

But wasn't the inevitability of killing innnocents in Iraq and Afghanistan considered, accepted and therefore premeditated even if no-one knew quite where and when the innocents would die?

And while 3000-odd died in the Twin Towers tens of thousands are dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, even more are homeless and their families in long-term despair courtesy of our so-called Christian Prime Minister and his pal, George Bush.

When you take time to really think about that, to think about those people and the misery brought to so many of their lives, it is absolutely inexcusable.

Blairs co-operation and coercion partly precipitated those actions and he would surely have anticipated innocent lives being lost. So did he recklessly accept that innocents would die to achieve whatever his intended ends are?.

I'd like to say no. But the more you consider it the harder it is to stick with that conclusion.

If he thought about it and accepted it...he's surely just like the Twin Towers man.

Awful thought that concerning a British Prime Minister.

I wonder what he tells his kids.

[lcfc_jme]

For some of his handiwork read the paragraph concerning Daniel Pearls death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

Sounds absolutely vile. That is down right despicable. If this is all true (I wouldn't like to see the videos and I know Wikipedia can be tampered with) and I'd had to listen to the man admit that to me, I'd want to beat the shit out of him. It makes me feel sick. How anybody can do something as gruesome and inhumane as that to anybody else, live with it, video-record it and consider themselves a hero is beyond me.

[Steven]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_...rist_confession

What did you do today, dad?

"Well son I planned an attack which caused thousands of unarmed, uninvolved office workers, and lots of them women, son, to be blasted into oblivion, to lose their arms, their legs, half their brains and to cause their families untold misery.

"It was a good day," son.

And all in the name of religious idealogy. All in the supposed belief that his "praise be to" God would be delighted.

What a hero.

And what a wonderful example to the children he presumably believes his God gave him.

Am I the only one who finds this sudden admission by this man without any credibility whatsoever?

[davieG]

Oh, that excuses it then.

And why not. It has been the banner throughout history. Kill our people and we'll kill yours.

The perfect excuse for a bloodbath really.

And perhaps a clever act of creation to keep the population down, this revenge thing.

No idea why it concerned me to be honest.

For services to planet Earth I give you Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, George Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden et al...heroes one and all and none really worse than one another apart from the numbers!

My apologies for failing to see the bigger picture.

In the final analysis, sad to say, you are probably right though.

I was going to argue that The Twin Towers was a premeditated and calculated attack intended to kill and maim thousands of completely innocent and uninvolved people.

But wasn't the inevitability of killing innnocents in Iraq and Afghanistan considered, accepted and therefore premeditated even if no-one knew quite where and when the innocents would die?

And while 3000-odd died in the Twin Towers tens of thousands are dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, even more are homeless and their families in long-term despair courtesy of our so-called Christian Prime Minister and his pal, George Bush.

When you take time to really think about that, to think about those people and the misery brought to so many of their lives, it is absolutely inexcusable.

Blairs co-operation and coercion partly precipitated those actions and he would surely have anticipated innocent lives being lost. So did he recklessly accept that innocents would die to achieve whatever his intended ends are?.

I'd like to say no. But the more you consider it the harder it is to stick with that conclusion.

If he thought about it and accepted it...he's surely just like the Twin Towers man.

Awful thought that concerning a British Prime Minister.

I wonder what he tells his kids.

I suspect that the military of both the USA & UK convinced them that it would be a stroll in the park (well they needed an excuse to not only use up some old ammunition, but to try out some new stuff and justify a bigger spend on the latest developments - watch out for a new war in 4/5 years time when the whole shooting match will be repeated), They thought they could chuck a few missiles in and hey presto they'd all come running out with banners proclaiming Bush is the chosen one.

So hoodwinked or failed to look back on history to see that wars are never quite as easy as they might appear.

[Zingari]

I suspect that the military of both the USA & UK convinced them that it would be a stroll in the park (well they needed an excuse to not only use up some old ammunition, but to try out some new stuff and justify a bigger spend on the latest developments - watch out for a new war in 4/5 years time when the whole shooting match will be repeated), They thought they could chuck a few missiles in and hey presto they'd all come running out with banners proclaiming Bush is the chosen one.

So hoodwinked or failed to look back on history to see that wars are never quite as easy as they might appear.

in defence of the military though, initially they did an excellent job and achieved all their objectives well ; however since the fall they are increasingly being expected to "police" the country and i think they really ought not to be expected to do this ; it is indeed the failing of the politicians on all sides since but also the people of iraq themselves should take some of the responsibility;

sadly i'm sure there are no easy answers

[Webbo]

[quote name='Thracian' date='Mar 15 2007, 06:12 PM' post='561056'

And while 3000-odd died in the Twin Towers tens of thousands are dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, even more are homeless and their families in long-term despair courtesy of our so-called Christian Prime Minister and his pal, George Bush.

When you take time to really think about that, to think about those people and the misery brought to so many of their lives, it is absolutely inexcusable.

that's all very well, but what would you have done in their shoes?

[Thracian]

My reaction would have been the opposite and would have dignified the memory of those who lost their lives in the Twin Towers.

I would have taken the opportunity to make a massive statement on behalf of the real Christian values of decency and non-retaliation.

I would have taken what was a massive opportunity to capture the moral high ground which represented dignity and worthwhile values.

I would have refused to make the deaths of those people and ruined lives of their families as an excuse for killing more people and the ruining more families.

In other words whether it was possible to shame the perpetrators or not I would have shamed them in the wider world and done so sincerely.

Because the subsequent and consequent slaughter has achieved nothing.

Standing for and demonstrating a stance for decency and shunning the chance of revenge would have done far more. As would all the equally dignified articles for peace and for humanity which could have been written as an additional result of such action.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword and it would certainly have had more impact, and at far less cost, that all Blair and Bush's indescriminately destructive weapons and eventually counter productive weapons.

[Webbo]

My reaction would have been the opposite and would have dignified the memory of those who lost their lives in the Twin Towers.

I would have taken the opportunity to make a massive statement on behalf of the real Christian values of decency and non-retaliation.

I would have taken what was a massive opportunity to capture the moral high ground which represented dignity and worthwhile values.

I would have refused to make the deaths of those people and ruined lives of their families as an excuse for killing more people and the ruining more families.

In other words whether it was possible to shame the perpetrators or not I would have shamed them in the wider world and done so sincerely.

Because the subsequent and consequent slaughter has achieved nothing.

Standing for and demonstrating a stance for decency and shunning the chance of revenge would have done far more. As would all the equally dignified articles for peace and for humanity which could have been written as an additional result of such action.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword and it would certainly have had more impact, and at far less cost, that all Blair and Bush's indescriminately destructive weapons and eventually counter productive weapons.

if al qeada didn't killed you in their next attack i'm sure the american public would lynch you instead. the government of afganistan had the chance to hand over bin laden they chose not to. if you make war then you shouldn't complain when some of your people die.as for iraq that war was fought for bogus reasons, but years of sanctions and condemnation did nothing to change things there.

[davieG]

if al qeada didn't killed you in their next attack i'm sure the american public would lynch you instead. the government of afganistan had the chance to hand over bin laden they chose not to. if you make war then you shouldn't complain when some of your people die.as for iraq that war was fought for bogus reasons, but years of sanctions and condemnation did nothing to change things there.

But the years of America and Britain supporting and supplying SH with arms sure changed things. Same thing happened on many other occasions with many other Countries.

[Jon the Hat]

Oh, that excuses it then.

And why not. It has been the banner throughout history. Kill our people and we'll kill yours.

The perfect excuse for a bloodbath really.

And perhaps a clever act of creation to keep the population down, this revenge thing.

No idea why it concerned me to be honest.

For services to planet Earth I give you Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, George Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden et al...heroes one and all and none really worse than one another apart from the numbers!

My apologies for failing to see the bigger picture.

In the final analysis, sad to say, you are probably right though.

I was going to argue that The Twin Towers was a premeditated and calculated attack intended to kill and maim thousands of completely innocent and uninvolved people.

But wasn't the inevitability of killing innnocents in Iraq and Afghanistan considered, accepted and therefore premeditated even if no-one knew quite where and when the innocents would die?

And while 3000-odd died in the Twin Towers tens of thousands are dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, even more are homeless and their families in long-term despair courtesy of our so-called Christian Prime Minister and his pal, George Bush.

When you take time to really think about that, to think about those people and the misery brought to so many of their lives, it is absolutely inexcusable.

Blairs co-operation and coercion partly precipitated those actions and he would surely have anticipated innocent lives being lost. So did he recklessly accept that innocents would die to achieve whatever his intended ends are?.

I'd like to say no. But the more you consider it the harder it is to stick with that conclusion.

If he thought about it and accepted it...he's surely just like the Twin Towers man.

Awful thought that concerning a British Prime Minister.

I wonder what he tells his kids.

You have basically gone through my thinking there. I am sickened by the acts of them all. Hard to explain but in some way I have more respect for those who can carry out their own dirty work than those who willfully send others to die in their place.

[Jon the Hat]

But the years of America and Britain supporting and supplying SH with arms sure changed things. Same thing happened on many other occasions with many other Countries.

The hypocrisy of the west knows no bounds. You have to be able to see at least a little of the reason why so many detest the US and her Allies.

[Thracian]

if al qeada didn't killed you in their next attack i'm sure the american public would lynch you instead. the government of afganistan had the chance to hand over bin laden they chose not to. if you make war then you shouldn't complain when some of your people die.as for iraq that war was fought for bogus reasons, but years of sanctions and condemnation did nothing to change things there.

A good many people who lost relatives in the Twin Towers didn't want the event used as an excuse for revenge.

And exactly what has has revenge achieved?.