Madeleine McCann

[Ric Flair]

I think 1 possibility that could be quite likely that isn't discussed much is that Madeline wandered outside looking for her parents, someone spotted her and spur of the moment decided to snatch her. The whole human traffic gang and pedophile ring theories that it was all planned are a bit too far fetched and too much of a coincidence with the McCanns negligence to be likely for me. Apparently 1 of the nights before when this happened she had been found outside too.

Yeah she'd ran off and hid in the bushes. If she was awake and outside and snatched without anyone spotting her nor hearing her then I'd be very surprised. It may tally up with there being no signs of an abduction inside the apartment but then there's repeated claims of blood and the smell of death being found in the apartment.

[l444ry]

I think 1 possibility that could be quite likely that isn't discussed much is that Madeline wandered outside looking for her parents, someone spotted her and spur of the moment decided to snatch her. The whole human traffic gang and pedophile ring theories that it was a planned kidnapping are a bit too far fetched and too much of a coincidence with the McCanns negligence to be likely for me. Apparently 1 of the nights before when the kids were left inside alone she had been found outside too.

That wouldn't explain Kate McCanns assertion that the "abductor" escaped via the window. Why any abductor would escape through the window after entering by the door needs explaining as well!

Edited 17 October 2013 by l444ry

[Jace]

That wouldn't explain Kate McCanns assertion that the "abductor" escaped via the window. Why any abductor would escape through the window after entering through needs explaining as well!

Either this intruder is really stupid or a mastermind genius to escape out the window leaving no prints carrying a child especially when there was an open door!

Edited 17 October 2013 by JACE_HOBBS

[Smudge]

They didn't have a lot of choice. By the time the PJ got there the whole apartment had been trampled over by the Tapas group.

In which case there's nothing suspicious about washing a dirty toy, since the PJ didn't consider it evidence

Edited 17 October 2013 by Smudge

[l444ry]

Either this intruder is really stupid or a mastermind genius to escape out the window leaving no prints carrying a child especially when there was an open door!

Or more likely, there was no intruder at all!! 

[Jace]

Yeah she'd ran off and hid in the bushes. If she was awake and outside and snatched without anyone spotting her nor hearing her then I'd be very surprised. It may tally up with there being no signs of an abduction inside the apartment but then there's repeated claims of blood and the smell of death being found in the apartment.

It's the blood evidence that baffles me more than anything because if they had killed her by sedating her there wouldn't be blood anyway. Even if an intruder broke in and smothered her again there wouldn't be blood so is this something no one is really thinking about or another false piece of evidence?

Edited 17 October 2013 by JACE_HOBBS

[Jace]

In which case there's nothing suspicious about washing a dirty toy, since the PJ didn't consider it evidence

They did though they claimed the dogs identified cadaver on it, after informing the Mccanns they decided to wash it and again the police tested it after it had been washed and still identified the smell. What most people are considering strange about this is if your child was missing why would you want to wash the main thing that would still smell of your child? If this had happened in the UK or the states it would have been removed and tested straight away not left with a potential suspect.

Edited 17 October 2013 by JACE_HOBBS

[Ric Flair]

Either this intruder is really stupid or a mastermind genius to escape out the window leaving no prints carrying a child especially when there was an open door!

There was a build up of moss on the ledge of the window that would have been impossible not to come in contact with, had an intruder climbed out of the window whilst carrying a child. Any insistence from the McCann's on that scenario is disturbing.

[l444ry]

It's the blood evidence that baffles me more than anything because if they had killed her by sedating her there wouldn't be blood anyway. Even if an intruder broke in and smothered her again there wouldn't be blood so is this something no one is really thinking about or another false piece of evidence?

The PJ feel Madeleine woke up and accidently fell thereby causing the blood.

Edited 17 October 2013 by l444ry

[Smudge]

The PJ feel Madeleine woke up and accidently fell thereby causing the blood.

Lets run with your theory.

 

Some time before 8:30, Madeleine had been fed, bathed, put into her pajamas, given a sedative and put to bed.

 

Lets assume she did get up and the sedative hadn't really kicked in, she opens the door to her bedroom, walks into the lounge and falls on the floor hurting herself. Presumably both parents were there or in the adjacent bedroom or bathroom getting ready to go out.

 

The blood was behind the sofa, how did it get there? This child who's sedated and feeling woosey isn't going to be moving furniture before she falls and if she fell in front of the sofa, why did the dogs not find it there?

 

Ok so she's come out of the bedroom walked past her parents, moved the sofa falls over and dies.

 

Gerry and Kate clean up the mess and carry on getting dressed. By 8:30 they are out the door for tapas and wine but leave the door unlocked.

 

They get to the table and have a nice quiet drink with friends acting quite normally while their dead daughter is lying in the wardrobe.

 

Gerry returns at 9pm and removes the body and takes it somewhere and is back within 15 minutes, even has time for a chat with a TV mate on the way back. If he carried the body out why is the cadaver smell not on his clothes?

Edited 17 October 2013 by Smudge

[Jace]

Lets run with this theory. Some time before 8:30, Madeleine had been fed bathed, put into her pajamas, given a sedative and put to bed.

 

Lets assume she did get up and the sedative hadn't really kicked in, she opens the door to her bedroom, walks into the lounge and falls on the floor hurting herself. Presumably both parents were there or in the adjacent bedroom or bathroom getting ready to go out.

 

The blood was behind the sofa, how did it get there? This child who's sedated and feeling woosey isn't going to be moving furniture before she falls and if she fell in front of the sofa, why did the dogs not find it there?

 

Ok so she's come out of the bedroom walked past her parents, moved the sofa falls over and dies.

 

Gerry and Kate clean up the mess and carry on getting dressed. By 8:30 they are out the door for tapas and wine but leave the door unlocked.

 

They get to the table and have a nice quiet drink with friends acting quite normally while their dead daughter is lying in the wardrobe.

 

Gerry returns at 9pm and removes the body and takes it somewhere and is back within 15 minutes, even has time for a chat with a TV mate on the way back. If he carried the body out why is the cadaver smell not on his clothes?

Good point

[l444ry]

Lets run with this theory. Some time before 8:30, Madeleine had been fed bathed, put into her pajamas, given a sedative and put to bed.

 

Lets assume she did get up and the sedative hadn't really kicked in, she opens the door to her bedroom, walks into the lounge and falls on the floor hurting herself. Presumably both parents were there or in the adjacent bedroom or bathroom getting ready to go out.

 

The blood was behind the sofa, how did it get there? This child who's sedated and feeling woosey isn't going to be moving furniture before she falls and if she fell in front of the sofa, why did the dogs not find it there?

 

Ok so she's come out of the bedroom walked past her parents, moved the sofa falls over and dies.

 

Gerry and Kate clean up the mess and carry on getting dressed. By 8:30 they are out the door for tapas and wine but leave the door unlocked.

 

They get to the table and have a nice quiet drink with friends acting quite normally while their dead daughter is lying in the wardrobe.

 

Gerry returns at 9pm and removes the body and takes it somewhere and is back within 15 minutes, even has time for a chat with a TV mate on the way back. If he carried the body out why is the cadaver smell not on his clothes?

Is that a new theory? Talk about putting up a straw man to knock down!

[Smudge]

Is that a new theory? Talk about putting up a straw man to knock down!

No it's not a theory at all, it's an attempt to show how ridiculous the blood theory is.

[l444ry]

No it's not a theory at all, it's an attempt to show how ridiculous the blood theory is.

But nobody is putting forward that nonsense as a theory. It's all your own work.

 

Cadaver odour was found behind the sofa. That much is certain. The PJ did research and nobody had died in that holiday flat prior to the McCanns renting it. Strange that a girl goes missing, cadaver odour turns up and yet you can't see the damning evidence against the parents. 

[lcfc81]

If it was that obvious I can't believe the mccanns would take it to David Cameron to ask to get the met to look into the case. (If i remember correctly) I can't believe the met wouldn't start at the beginning (including ruling out the mccanns as suspects). I also find it hard to believe the met would take the case to 4 different countries to appeal if they hadn't ruled the mccanns out.

Also I can't believe all the information on the case is in the public domain.

[Jace]

But nobody is putting forward that nonsense as a theory. It's all your own work.

 

Cadaver odour was found behind the sofa. That much is certain. The PJ did research and nobody had died in that holiday flat prior to the McCanns renting it. Strange that a girl goes missing, cadaver odour turns up and yet you can't see the damning evidence against the parents.

Problem is though even if Madeliene had died In the apartment, it doesn't mean her parents did it.

[lcfc81]

But nobody is putting forward that nonsense as a theory. It's all your own work.

Cadaver odour was found behind the sofa. That much is certain. The PJ did research and nobody had died in that holiday flat prior to the McCanns renting it. Strange that a girl goes missing, cadaver odour turns up and yet you can't see the damning evidence against the parents.

I find it highly unlikely (although not impossible) that the met didn't rule this out as a first point of enquiry surely?

[l444ry]

Problem is though even if Madeliene had died In the apartment, it doesn't mean her parents did it.

Which is what the PJ think also, The McCanns are only believed to have staged the "abduction" and concealed the body following an accident. 

[Smudge]

But nobody is putting forward that nonsense as a theory. It's all your own work.

 

Cadaver odour was found behind the sofa. That much is certain. The PJ did research and nobody had died in that holiday flat prior to the McCanns renting it. Strange that a girl goes missing, cadaver odour turns up and yet you can't see the damning evidence against the parents. 

Of course it's nonsense that's why I don't believe she fell and spilled blood at the back of the sofa.

Edited 17 October 2013 by Smudge

[l444ry]

Of course it's nonsense that's why I don't believe she fell and spilled blood at the back of the sofa.

The blood contained traces of Madeleine's DNA as did the blood outside the window. The pertinent question is -: Who moved the sofa with the  obvious intent of hiding it? and why?  Apparently there were clear attempts to "clean" this evidence as well.       

[ADK]

At the end of the day there's no conclusive evidence to prove or disprove anything.

[Smudge]

The blood contained traces of Madeleine's DNA as did the blood outside the window. The pertinent question is -: Who moved the sofa with the  obvious intent of hiding it? and why?  Apparently there were clear attempts to "clean" this evidence as well.       

No it didn't, the FSS Lab in Birmingham couldn't make the connection. The PJ overstated the DNA evidence to try and get the McCanns to confess.

Edited 17 October 2013 by Smudge

[l444ry]

No it didn't, the FSS Lab in Birmingham couldn't make the connection. The PJ overstated the DNA evidence to try and get the McCanns to confess.

You could start a new thread on the strange way the FFS handled and interpreted the DNA tests. I don't think the PJ handed over any more evidence  to the UK following this.

[Smudge]

You could start a new thread on the strange way the FFS handled and interpreted the DNA tests. I don't think the PJ handed over any more evidence  to the UK following this.

You have to ask why if it would have lead to more damming evidence supporting their theory?

 

The PJ totally ****ed this up as a crime scene. They didn't seal the apartment and it's contents, they assumed she had walked off by herself.

 

They allowed trash cans to be emptied and taken to the tip before they were searched. It wouldn't surprise me if the the evidence had been tainted by them.

 

Just to be up front. I am not saying the McCanns didn't do it, I just can't think that given the location of the blood and the timeline of that evening that it's more likely than someone taking her.

[Bettsj2]

You have to ask why if it would have lead to more damming evidence supporting their theory?

The PJ totally ****ed this up as a crime scene. They didn't seal the apartment and it's contents, they assumed she had walked off by herself.

They allowed trash cans to be emptied and taken to the tip before they were searched. It wouldn't surprise me if the the evidence had been tainted by them.

Just to be up front. I am not saying the McCanns didn't do it, I just can't think that given the location of the blood and the timeline of that evening that it's more likely than someone taking her.

They did contain the crime scene. The talk of the rubbish taken away was newspaper bullshit. There's an interview with one of the british cops on youtube where he says as much.

The thing that ****ed up the investigation was the 9 people at the tapas bar not being straight. Also the McCanns constantly making shifty changes to their story and blowing off possible evidence (like the blood) as nonsence.

As a parent, if my daughter had genuinly gone missing and they found traces of blood where we were staying, i'd be asking for test after re-test after re-test to either rule in or out if it was hers. They just dismissed it?

Given the profile of the case and the media coverage, if she was abducted, someone would surely have noticed her by now?