Madeleine McCann

[GingerrrFox]

But if he was meant to check on her, that means they were comfortable with him doing so and that's highly risky if she'd supposedly already died. Even hiding her in the cupboard, it seems inplausible they'd leave the apartment unlocked.

He wasn't supposed to check on her though. Kate got up to go to their apartment and apparently he suggested he check on their children because he was going at the same time purely by chance.

Edited 17 October 2013 by GingerrrFox

[Jace]

They would have had to make a quick decision, and with them being in different country I don't think they would really stand a chance and they wouldn't want to be spending a day never mind years in a Portuguese prison.

  

I think it would have a lot more to do with being allowed to keep their other two children.

True and in a situation like that could cause anyone not to think straight and make a bad decision, when you look at the consequences of an accidental death and covering up the death of a child and disposing of their body I think the 2nd would be far less unappealing. Lets not forget they wouldn't know the area well to despose of a body either, a decision like that would be very daunting even for an area that was very private that you knew well. It's not like they would have the typical garden tools or equipment on holiday either to use for such a job

[Mark_w]

But if he was meant to check on her, that means they were comfortable with him doing so and that's highly risky if she'd supposedly already died. Even hiding her in the cupboard, it seems inplausible they'd leave the apartment unlocked.

 

How sure are they that the apartment was left unlocked?

 

I can't say I know an awful lot about this, but if he didn't check then what proof is there that the apartment was left unlocked?

[Ric Flair]

Well done for playing Devil's Advocate Ric. You seem to be running with the hounds and chasing with the pack at the same time,

 

Hahahaaa it's mainly because i'm seeking opinions to questions I have on the matter. I'm very suspicious and i'm trying to tick off everything and see what i'm left with to make a judgement.

 

As i've said, i'm intirgued by the McCann's, something not quite right. Is it just overwhelming guilt from they knowledge they made a massive mistake leaving their kids unattended or is it something a whole lot more sinister?

[whoareyaaa]

He wasn't supposed to check on her though. Kate got up to go to their apartment and apparently he suggested he check on their children because he was going at the same time purely by chance.

 

Plus add in that he "apparently" didn't even look at the kids just listened? is this the same person who was having a chat?

[Jace]

Imagine trying to explain to foreign police why your young daughter is dead.

I find asking for directions or explaining why something isn't working in my room frustrating enough on holiday

Edited 17 October 2013 by JACE_HOBBS

[Ric Flair]

He wasn't supposed to check on her though. Kate got up to go to their apartment and apparently he suggested he check on their children because he was going at the same time purely by chance.

 

Ok, so why leave the apartment unlocked then if there's a dead kid inside and you're part way through the cover up? Why run the risk? Unless they knew it was paramount they left the apartment unlocked to give an explanation for how an abductor entered the apartment.

[Ric Flair]

Plus add in that he "apparently" didn't even look at the kids just listened? is this the same person who was having a chat?

 

No the bloke who was having a chat with Gerry was a bloke who wasn't part of the tapas 9, a TV executive or something? Matt Oldfield was part of the tapas 9 who went to check on his kids and theirs but only listened instead of going in and looking.

[GingerrrFox]

Plus add in that he "apparently" didn't even look at the kids just listened? is this the same person who was having a chat?

No I don't think so the guy Gerry stopped to chat with was someone they met over there who he recognised and just had a brief conversation with.

There's only 1 person I would let check on my kids alone apart from close family and if he just listened I would be livid.

Edited 17 October 2013 by GingerrrFox

[l444ry]

No I don't think so the guy Gerry stopped to chat with was someone they met over there who he recognised and just had a brief conversation with.

Interesting thing about this is that Gerry McCann said he'd had a 15 minute discussion with this man (Jez Wilkins) but Wilkins said it was barely 2/3 minutes.

[whoareyaaa]

No I don't think so the guy Gerry stopped to chat with was someone they met over there who he recognised and just had a brief conversation with.

There's only 1 person I would let check on my kids alone apart from close family and if he just listened I would be livid.

 

Ah right, Yea surely you would actually have a quick look in the room, not just listen... what was he listening for exactly?

 

Whats the story with the Cuddle cat toy when was this washed? you wouldn't even think about washing it surely this is a red alert to the investigators.

Edited 17 October 2013 by whoareyaaa

[Ric Flair]

Interesting thing about this is that Gerry McCann said he'd had a 15 minute discussion with this man (Jez Wilkins) but Wilkins said it was barely 2/3 minutes.

I nearly allowed myself to read in to this piece of info and the 9.30pm sighting of a man carrying a child in exactly the same way that Gerry has been seen carrying his other kids. But for him to have done both in 15 mins would be quite a feat wouldn't it?

[GingerrrFox]

I nearly allowed myself to read in to this piece of info and the 9.30pm sighting of a man carrying a child in exactly the same way that Gerry has been seen carrying his other kids. But for him to have done both in 15 mins would be quite a feat wouldn't it?

The thing you gotta remember about the timings as well though is they were all drinking so how accurate can they be about 15 minutes? It could have been what 20-25?

[whoareyaaa]

  

True and in a situation like that could cause anyone not to think straight and make a bad decision, when you look at the consequences of an accidental death and covering up the death of a child and disposing of their body I think the 2nd would be far less unappealing. Lets not forget they wouldn't know the area well to despose of a body either, a decision like that would be very daunting even for an area that was very private that you knew well. It's not like they would have the typical garden tools or equipment on holiday either to use for such a job

 

That's true but I think they had visited this place more than once so they must of known the area well enough.

[Smudge]

He wasn't supposed to check on her though. Kate got up to go to their apartment and apparently he suggested he check on their children because he was going at the same time purely by chance.

If Kate knew the child was dead, she would have made sure no-one went near the apartment.

[whoareyaaa]

If Kate knew the child was dead, she would have made sure no-one went near the apartment.

 

She said the other person insisted he will go and check, it would seem a bit strange if she started kicking up a fuss.

[GingerrrFox]

If Kate knew the child was dead, she would have made sure no-one went near the apartment.

Why because she suspected one of her good friends to go snooping round their apartment with no good reason? It would be stranger if she said no don't go I will check.

[Smudge]

Ah right, Yea surely you would actually have a quick look in the room, not just listen... what was he listening for exactly?

 

Whats the story with the Cuddle cat toy when was this washed? you wouldn't even think about washing it surely this is a red alert to the investigators.

Seems odd to me that the police didn't secure the whole apartment including the clothes and toys. If the cuddle cat was so vital to the investigation, why was allowed out of evidential security.

[sphericalfox]

jeebus wept this thread 

 

[MooseBreath]

If the police dog found legitimate evidence of death in all those places then I'm sure that would be enough to mount a compelling case against the McCanns. The fact that the police themselves aren't using their own evidence surely suggests that it's not legitimate?

I also don't see any motive here for the McCanns to be hiding anything. I've seen some suggestions that the fact that they are doctors increases the probability of them giving their child a fatal dose of sedatives. Not sure how that works because my thinking would be that doctors are probably the least likely type of people to get medical dosing so badly wrong.

If it was an accident, what is the motive for covering it up? They were in Portugal not Somalia.

If they intended to kill her then I wonder why they went to all the trouble of setting up such an elaborate and high risk scenario, and why they continue to push for further investigations. In any case where the McCanns are guilty, it would have been easy and normal for them to have played the 'moving on' line by now and put the whole thing to bed.

If I had to guess I'd say she was abducted by either a human trafficking gang, or else some guy who lives alone in one of the many private and secluded villas in that part of the world. I'd say there's every chance she's still alive and not a very long way away from where she was abducted.

[Smudge]

Why because she suspected one of her good friends to go snooping round their apartment with no good reason? It would be stranger if she said no don't go I will check.

That's nonsense, the whole point of him going there was to check on the kids.

 

How would it be strange, what if she politely said No it's ok I need to use the toilet or some such reason.

[The Year Of The Fox]

http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-is-likely-under-murat-driveway-excavate-immediately/

Just found this recent article.

Though the reasons for wanting to scan the driveway are flimsy at best why hasn't anyone ever bothered?

[Jace]

I think 1 possibility that could be quite likely that isn't discussed much is that Madeline wandered outside looking for her parents, someone spotted her and spur of the moment decided to snatch her. The whole human traffic gang and pedophile ring theories that it was a planned kidnapping are a bit too far fetched and too much of a coincidence with the McCanns negligence to be likely for me. Apparently 1 of the nights before when the kids were left inside alone she had been found outside too.

Edited 17 October 2013 by JACE_HOBBS

[Ric Flair]

The thing you gotta remember about the timings as well though is they were all drinking so how accurate can they be about 15 minutes? It could have been what 20-25?

The 9.30pm sighting of a man that could have been Gerry was from someone who wasn't part of the tapas 9 and therefore maybe not under the influence? Therefore if Gerry got back much later, it seems unusual that it was not very long after that Kate then went to check and raised the alarm? Of course this all seems so regimented and it probably wasn't like that anyway, once you've broke the seal your piss breaks happen more frequently and they could have been on a near constant rotation.

[l444ry]

Seems odd to me that the police didn't secure the whole apartment including the clothes and toys. If the cuddle cat was so vital to the investigation, why was allowed out of evidential security.

They didn't have a lot of choice. By the time the PJ got there the whole apartment had been trampled over by the Tapas group.