If you like Martin Allen that much give me your season ticket back and follow him

[Kent Fox]

However isn't this whole topic is based on the fact that MM is the one still going on about it in todays Sport Blue!

No.

It started with Ash17lcfc's post about this:

Pointless Posting

If it is in Sport Blue, I won't see it down here. And it's probably just paper selling journalism, continuing what MM said last week.

I know you won't close it because you have made your ow feeling clear on here about MM and LCFC in general right now, but surely you must concede that this will just go round in circles, with abuse being levelled at those who disagree with what MM said???

This is not a thead for the public good.

[eaststandtom]

I was speaking to Leicester fan down at football last night. I’ve never met him before, he’s not my friend but you don’t see too many where I live so I chatted to him.

Anyway, he was saying that Martin Allen prevented the players wives, birds, family etc from being anywhere near football club to stop them interfering. Apparantly all the player’s f ucking hated Allen and got to a point where either they would leave or the Allen had to go. His general attitude and approach to training and the players were awful. He treated a lot people like shit for no reason.

At the end of the day I believe something like this must have happened. Nobody really knows what went on but you can draw your own conclusions as to why he was sacked so dramatically, and Milan obviously really hates Martin Allen for whatever reason.

It would be good if people could just forget it and move on.

this is an all too common rumour.

smoke without fire etc etc??

[Bellend Sebastian]

Having taken on a lot of people myself, I know that recruitment is a nightmare. I've taken on candidates with great CVs and have interviewed brilliantly, but they've come in and they're just not up to it, whereas people that maybe you weren't that sure about have come in and done a fantastic job. It's always a risk, and it doesn't always pay off. It's just life

[Thracian]

A likely scenario?

His first choice was Warnock but due to fan pressure he had to change his mind quickly, he made a major judgement error in picking Allen but gave him some rope to see if it'd work out, it didn't so he acted.

Great management is never making a mistake, good management is fixing your mistakes, bad management is doing nothing about your mistakes.

You still don't explain why Mandaric chose Martin Allen at all when his eccentricities and attitudes were so well documented.

You say that fan pressure made him change his mind about Warnock, but it didn't affect him over Megson.

Yet so many fans were against Megson's appointment for a variety of reasons.

He was never going to be a popular choice though he may become popular.

Mandaric wants to make money and probably wants to enjoy some glory while making it. Nothing wrong with that.

But let's not delude ourselves that he runs this club for the fans.

He needs the fans. Understandably he's tried to get them on board.

But he won't compromise his own judgement to achieve that end.

He goes his own way. As MA's departure and Megson's arrival have already demonstrated, along with other things.

And using your questionable managerial yardstick MM certainly doesn't fall into the category of great manager and will only make "good" manager if he fixes his mistakes properly which, right now, is open to debate.

But me, I'd rather my decision makers thought things through and didn't make so many mistakes in the first place. That was we avoid so much potentially divisive controversy.

[Master Fox]

this is an all too common rumour.

smoke without fire etc etc??

Well i hadn't heard it. I tend not read these Martin Allen threads either.

But you're right.

[Thracian]

no i wasnt

i was saying it long before that match.

i thought it was a dubious appointment in the first place but, rightly, i was prepared to support the guy.

as pre-season progressed i grew more and more uncomfortable with him. after the blackpool game i was pretty much certain that i didnt like the guy as our manager.

being fair to him though, that wasnt based on our defeat in that game, it was based on just him!!!

One mistake, quickly put right, would be perfectly understandable and acceptable. It is the endless stream of other mistakes with managerial appointments that concern me. And whether this latest one is any better.

[Geo V]

But me, I'd rather my decision makers thought things through and didn't make so many mistakes in the first place. That was we avoid so much potentially divisive controversy.

If every chairman had some crystal ball which they could peer into to see the future, manager and even player recruitment would be very easy and simple. Unfortunately in the real world, it doesn't work out like that and any appointment carries certain risks. MM decided to go with the bright young manager option with MA, someone who was used to large player turnarounds and getting sides to the play-offs relatively quickly but unfortunately after a short spell he thought that MA wasn't cut out for it. We were also linked to Paul Ince, another so called bright younger manager who also would come with all sorts of baggage and no guarantee of success and if memory serves me he was your first choice?

What would you rather have though as a chairman? Someone who makes an appointment and realizes he made a mistake 3 months in and changed things before things got worse or would you prefer we carried on with what we had and hope a miracle happens and things get better like Newcastle did for so long with Roeder and like what I predict Bolton are doing with the inexperienced manager Sammy Lee? Thankfully, our chairman wasn't bothered about dipping into his potential profits and sacked MA with a pay-off and spared us what he thought would be the decline of the club.

[eaststandtom]

One mistake, quickly put right, would be perfectly understandable and acceptable. It is the endless stream of other mistakes with managerial appointments that concern me. And whether this latest one is any better.

fair play.

you're right to be concerned. i am. but we have to have faith in milan and megson because they have delivered results, eventually, and been successful.

milan tore through managers at pompey until he found the right one. this brought success beyond what was previously thought possible for a seaside town

maybe its just an english mentality that is causing us to see this whole scenario as 'chaotic' and 'unstable'. foreign clubs change managers more than they change clothes.

where as in the past we have had english local businessmen on the board running the club we now have a colourful serbian entrepreneur calling the shots in an outspoken way. i think we are all still getting used to seeing this happen.

its early days and the foundations are being laid

in the immortal words of gary barlow............'' have a little patience''

[davieG]

No.

It started with Ash17lcfc's post about this:

Pointless Posting

If it is in Sport Blue, I won't see it down here. And it's probably just paper selling journalism, continuing what MM said last week.

I know you won't close it because you have made your ow feeling clear on here about MM and LCFC in general right now, but surely you must concede that this will just go round in circles, with abuse being levelled at those who disagree with what MM said???

This is not a thead for the public good.

And that link was about a story that will be in the paper and is MM continuing this argument.

As for closing this thread down, what I think about it is neither here nor there and I strongly resent the intimation that I only delete/close threads according to my own tastes or views. Why have you not accused the other mods and admin who have also not closed it down.

For your information I would never have sung the MA song, neither do I believe in booing players. As for MM, yes I think he's messed up big time with the recruitment and subsequent sacking of MA and I'm not impressed by GMs appointment and that depresses me how you get from that to your surmising my feelings re this thread I've no idea.

I think you should calm down and take a more rational view of things instead of arbitrarily slagging people off who might have a different view/interpretation to you.

Finally if you don't like a thread don't look at it and don't contribute to it as you become part of the problem you are complaining about.

[Dames]

In my eyes its Milans fault.

He made the 'Mistake' in bringing Martin Allen in and letting him become a fans favorite.

He then sacked him suddenly and hasn't given a suitable reason besides 'He wasn't the man'

And now he's publically berating fans for the mistake he made, If you didn't appoint him Milan he wouldn't have become a favorite?

If Allen was an orge surely Milan would have got wind of this and stayed clear?

The mans supposedly smart why doesn't he engage with that brain of his and stop slagging the majority of the fans off.

Most fans don't know what happened behind the scenes they just came to hear that Allen was sacked for no reason and they are still pissed off about it and the only way they get to show that frustration is by singing.

It gets annoying to come on here and read about how Milan is a knight in shining armour and the fans are all 'Morons' sorry boys but these 'morons' were keeping the club afloat way before Milan got here.

And for all this 'support Megson' 'Allen is the past' You wern't all saying that when Megson was appointed?

Milan might have gone someway to saving us but he's starting to take the piss abit now.

[eaststandtom]

In my eyes its Milans fault.

He made the 'Mistake' in bringing Martin Allen in and letting him become a fans favorite.

He then sacked him suddenly and hasn't given a suitable reason besides 'He wasn't the man'

And now he's publically berating fans for the mistake he made, If you didn't appoint him Milan he wouldn't have become a favorite?

If Allen was an orge surely Milan would have got wind of this and stayed clear?

The mans supposedly smart why doesn't he engage with that brain of his and stop slagging the majority of the fans off.

Most fans don't know what happened behind the scenes they just came to hear that Allen was sacked for no reason and they are still pissed off about it and the only way they get to show that frustration is by singing.

It gets annoying to come on here and read about how Milan is a knight in shining armour and the fans are all 'Morons' sorry boys but these 'morons' were keeping the club afloat way before Milan got here.

And for all this 'support Megson' 'Allen is the past' You wern't all saying that when Megson was appointed?

Milan might have gone someway to saving us but he's starting to take the piss abit now.

someway?

all the way!

we'd be fooked without him

[Bellend Sebastian]

these 'morons' were keeping the club afloat way before Milan got here.

Some of them might have been, but the worst morons in L1 last season were a sudden influx that appeared when the Mandaric takeover was completed, most of whom I'd never seen in five years of sitting there

[Dames]

someway?

all the way!

we'd be fooked without him

Yes someway...

He's not gone the full mile and put us in a great position yet has he ?

He hasn't sold us on to someone richer has he ?

He hasn't got us into the prem yet has he ?

So yes he's only gone someway.

For all you know he could leave tomorrow and leave us even more fooked than we was before.

[Daggers]

Yes someway...

He's not gone the full mile and put us in a great position yet has he ?

He hasn't sold us on to someone richer has he ?

He hasn't got us into the prem yet has he ?

So yes he's only gone someway.

For all you know he could leave tomorrow and leave us even more fooked than we was before.

It's like marriage Dames - at some point you have to commit, you have to go for the whole better or worse route.

Yes, the bitch could go through your CD collection with a nail-file. Sure, she could fill herself with spunk behind your back at any available opportunity...but she could also bring you years of happiness, bear you children and be a soul-mate into your dotage.

Yea he could spin off...but why might he do that? By having assholes bitching at him for making decisions that he feels are in the best interest of the club and (from what I have heard of late) I totally agree with him.

Allen had to go, simple as.

So what about his hiring of Allen? Has no one here worked in a job and wondered how people around them got employed? People bullshit at interview - they bullshit and they lie.

Allen was out of his depth, he will never manage at this level again...and there will be many players wary of playing under him in the future.

It's a faith thing, I reckon Dames. You either shut your eyes and trust that it will all be ok or you spend your time fretting with white knuckles.

I'm going hands-in-the-air rollercoaster mode. If you don't it's going to be a pretty shit season.

Nothing in life is guaranteed - anyone wanting sure-fire success is going to be disappointed.

[eaststandtom]

Yes someway...

He's not gone the full mile and put us in a great position yet has he ?

He hasn't sold us on to someone richer has he ?

He hasn't got us into the prem yet has he ?

So yes he's only gone someway.

For all you know he could leave tomorrow and leave us even more fooked than we was before.

[/quote

carry on and he just might!!!

established in the premiership and sold to a disgustingly rich investor is the measure for success for milan?

anything else failure?

i'd expect nothing less for a club as massive as leicester

reality check!!!

without him we wouldnt be able to challenge for those things.

the position we are in now is like winning the premiership(compared to 12 months ago).

[Dames]

It's like marriage Dames - at some point you have to commit, you have to go for the whole better or worse route.

Yes, the bitch could go through your CD collection with a nail-file. Sure, she could fill herself with spunk behind your back at any available opportunity...but she could also bring you years of happiness, bear you children and be a soul-mate into your dotage.

Yea he could spin off...but why might he do that? By having assholes bitching at him for making decisions that he feels are in the best interest of the club and (from what I have heard of late) I totally agree with him.

Allen had to go, simple as.

So what about his hiring of Allen? Has no one here worked in a job and wondered how people around them got employed? People bullshit at interview - they bullshit and they lie.

Allen was out of his depth, he will never manage at this level again...and there will be many players wary of playing under him in the future.

It's a faith thing, I reckon Dames. You either shut your eyes and trust that it will all be ok or you spend your time fretting with white knuckles.

I'm going hands-in-the-air rollercoaster mode. If you don't it's going to be a pretty shit season.

Nothing in life is guaranteed - anyone wanting sure-fire success is going to be disappointed.

Sadly Milans not got many years left in him and i don't think he's fertile anymore either

In all seriousness i know about the Allen scenario and i was only defending the people who didn't.

And i was only being a realist on the whole Milan saved us situation.

I wouldn't say i was fretting i'm just full of hope that we will have a decent season and have quite abit more to cheer than last season thats all i want.

So far this season we've had that.

[Manwell Pablo]

Milan doesn't take to well to being critisized does he.

This has all been blown well out of proportion, by Milan and our supporters.

[Dames]

Yes someway...

He's not gone the full mile and put us in a great position yet has he ?

He hasn't sold us on to someone richer has he ?

He hasn't got us into the prem yet has he ?

So yes he's only gone someway.

For all you know he could leave tomorrow and leave us even more fooked than we was before.

carry on and he just might!!!

established in the premiership and sold to a disgustingly rich investor is the measure for success for milan?

anything else failure?

i'd expect nothing less for a club as massive as leicester

reality check!!!

without him we wouldnt be able to challenge for those things.

the position we are in now is like winning the premiership(compared to 12 months ago).

Were 20th and we have a squad full of Mediocore players.

Were not Massive at all we've never won anything besides the League cup.

Only thing better than last season is the addition of a few more quality players (Kaebi, Ferreira and Clemence. 2 of which ain't featured properly yet) And the stability of our finances.

I'm not moaning i'm just being real about things.

[ithuriel]

we knew what we were getting with milan , high turnover rate of managers if they are not upto the job etc., but thats better than hanging onto a clunker all season until we are in danger of relegation like the previous regime.of course on the pitch maybe alan could have been given a few more games to prove himself but off the pitch , from what my brother has told me who works part time at the club , he basically cut his own throat.

you do have to remember that alan had an entire preseason to tune the team and when it mattered we didnt do to well.

lets face it , if the previous regime had stayed in charge would city still be here? we would most probably be floundering in the division below or rock bottom of this one having had to sell our better players.

of course milans a bit egotistical but so are a lot of chairman and we cant exactly go and cherry pick our chairman now

i'd settle for the egotist who has a penchant for sacking managers if they do not perform than tim nice but though i'd rather have abramovich of course

oh well , enough rambling , back to the liquid refreshment.

[Thracian]

fair play.

you're right to be concerned. i am. but we have to have faith in milan and megson because they have delivered results, eventually, and been successful.

milan tore through managers at pompey until he found the right one. this brought success beyond what was previously thought possible for a seaside town

maybe its just an english mentality that is causing us to see this whole scenario as 'chaotic' and 'unstable'. foreign clubs change managers more than they change clothes.

where as in the past we have had english local businessmen on the board running the club we now have a colourful serbian entrepreneur calling the shots in an outspoken way. i think we are all still getting used to seeing this happen.

its early days and the foundations are being laid

in the immortal words of gary barlow............'' have a little patience''

Milan didn't always deliver results and Megson has delivered little except promotions from our second tier often in a reportedly boring manner.

He's also delivered relegations.

We might have a colourful Serbian/American entrepreneur in charge but this is an English football club and I have no great desire for it to become part of some vulgar circus where managers/coaches/etc are hired and fired every washday thanks.

And whether MM is outspoken or not he'll be nieve to think others won't be equally outspoken and will not be coerced into blindly supporting him without damned good reasons - some of which appear to have been lacking so far.

Even our signings have reflected this and already Megson has rightly recognised we have players in bulk but have not always signed quality.

Mandaric has overseen many of those purchases and had I been him I'd have been horrified and hurriedly put my pen away on several occasions. And we all know it might have been worse.

Why is it that so many people find it so difficult to judge a footballer? Especially given the videos and information so easily available nowadays. Does MM not digest this information too? Does he not seek trusted opinion? No-one expects perfection even then but mistakes should be the exception rather than the rule.

And what is so hard getting the best out of the good ones who do arrive or who do get promoted to the first team squad? There are simple ways and none of them involves making them nondescript cogs in too big a wheel.

Yet we have a situation at City where, just a few games into the season, we have a squad that is probably a third too big.

This was mentioned twice in the summer but no-one took any notice. It has already set us back in our quest for points the same as not scoring enough League goals which was also predicted.

So my question is - who does the internal analysis at Leicester?. Who acts as MM's honest broker. Or does he really believe he's good enough to judge for himself?. I ask because these things are quite obvious really.

Patience is fine if you know that principles are being applied which will lead to mostly right answers.

Due diligence applies to football matters as well as to financial accounts.

[Kent Fox]

And that link was about a story that will be in the paper and is MM continuing this argument.

As for closing this thread down, what I think about it is neither here nor there and I strongly resent the intimation that I only delete/close threads according to my own tastes or views. Why have you not accused the other mods and admin who have also not closed it down.

For your information I would never have sung the MA song, neither do I believe in booing players. As for MM, yes I think he's messed up big time with the recruitment and subsequent sacking of MA and I'm not impressed by GMs appointment and that depresses me how you get from that to your surmising my feelings re this thread I've no idea.

I think you should calm down and take a more rational view of things instead of arbitrarily slagging people off who might have a different view/interpretation to you.

Finally if you don't like a thread don't look at it and don't contribute to it as you become part of the problem you are complaining about.

You really do need to take some pills. Other than the ones you are taking that make you delusional.

First highlighted bit: I have never said you did sing a song so why do you feel the need to give me that information?? Nor have I suggested you boo players, have I?

So tell me, davieG, where the feck did you get that from? Seriously. Please point out where I said that about you. I really want to see it.

Oh, it was in your head!! Why didn't you say??

Second highlighted bit: I am a rational person and always have been. I have not slagged anyone off personally (yet!) on this thread. Not even ash17lcfc, who deserves some grief.

And if you got off your high horse for 5 minutes and bothered to read my posts, you'd see that I acknowledged those with a different opinion to mine (and many,many more, I might add).

My point originally, seeing as I clearly have to explain it to you, was that in many cases before this thread came along to antagonise people, threads have been posted that caused 'unrest' amongst the rank and file of FT. They were subsequently closed to save the abuse that was flying around increasing.

Are you going to tell everyone that thinks this thread is pointless and stupid to not look at it? And don't even start on the 'Forums are for everone with different opinions' crap because that only works when it suits. Mods, in general, have closed threads they see as improper or those that may cause offence and so on. And rightly so.

Can you not see that this thread, one that will continue to cause argument, falls into a closure category?

You only have to read your last line to realise how rational you are! Go on, davie. Tell everyone that doesn't like this thread and has become a part of it by moaning (if you read the thread, you might actually notice that I am not the only one) to not look at it.

Oh, and finally, I haven't 'accused' anybody, because there is no accusation! And no other mods have been around to not accuse of anything. And all that intimation BS you wrote, it's only in your head, my friend. I did not intimate anything. You should know by now that I would simply tell you.

Have a nice day

[Guest]

I was speaking to Leicester fan down at football last night. I've never met him before, he's not my friend but you don't see too many where I live so I chatted to him.

Anyway, he was saying that Martin Allen prevented the players wives, birds, family etc from being anywhere near football club to stop them interfering. Apparantly all the player's f ucking hated Allen and got to a point where either they would leave or the Allen had to go. His general attitude and approach to training and the players were awful. He treated a lot people like shit for no reason.

I've heard similar.

There's nothing wrong with being a disciplinarian, but there's a big difference between that and bullying people for the sake of it

If this was the case, then chanting MA's name was really going to inspire the players....

You still don't explain why Mandaric chose Martin Allen at all when his eccentricities and attitudes were so well documented.

I know SF can fight his own battles, but SF wasn't involved in the recruitment process, so won't know why MA was appointed. But then again, neither were you.

You say that fan pressure made him change his mind about Warnock, but it didn't affect him over Megson.

Yet so many fans were against Megson's appointment for a variety of reasons.

He was never going to be a popular choice though he may become popular.

There wasn't the outcry before the appointment of Smegson that there was when Colin was rumoured to be in talks. That may have a slight bearing.

Mandaric wants to make money and probably wants to enjoy some glory while making it. Nothing wrong with that.

But let's not delude ourselves that he runs this club for the fans.

He needs the fans. Understandably he's tried to get them on board.

But he won't compromise his own judgement to achieve that end.

He goes his own way. As MA's departure and Megson's arrival have already demonstrated, along with other things.

And using your questionable managerial yardstick MM certainly doesn't fall into the category of great manager and will only make "good" manager if he fixes his mistakes properly which, right now, is open to debate.

Gazing into your crystal ball again?

But me, I'd rather my decision makers thought things through and didn't make so many mistakes in the first place. That was we avoid so much potentially divisive controversy.

Of course, you're so bloody perfect. I wish I'd never made any mistakes in my life like you have.

[Smudge]

You really do need to take some pills. Other than the ones you are taking that make you delusional.

First highlighted bit: I have never said you did sing a song so why do you feel the need to give me that information?? Nor have I suggested you boo players, have I?

So tell me, davieG, where the feck did you get that from? Seriously. Please point out where I said that about you. I really want to see it.

Oh, it was in your head!! Why didn't you say??

Second highlighted bit: I am a rational person and always have been. I have not slagged anyone off personally (yet!) on this thread. Not even ash17lcfc, who deserves some grief.

And if you got off your high horse for 5 minutes and bothered to read my posts, you'd see that I acknowledged those with a different opinion to mine (and many,many more, I might add).

My point originally, seeing as I clearly have to explain it to you, was that in many cases before this thread came along to antagonise people, threads have been posted that caused 'unrest' amongst the rank and file of FT. They were subsequently closed to save the abuse that was flying around increasing.

Are you going to tell everyone that thinks this thread is pointless and stupid to not look at it? And don't even start on the 'Forums are for everone with different opinions' crap because that only works when it suits. Mods, in general, have closed threads they see as improper or those that may cause offence and so on. And rightly so.

Can you not see that this thread, one that will continue to cause argument, falls into a closure category?

You only have to read your last line to realise how rational you are! Go on, davie. Tell everyone that doesn't like this thread and has become a part of it by moaning (if you read the thread, you might actually notice that I am not the only one) to not look at it.

Oh, and finally, I haven't 'accused' anybody, because there is no accusation! And no other mods have been around to not accuse of anything. And all that intimation BS you wrote, it's only in your head, my friend. I did not intimate anything. You should know by now that I would simply tell you.

Have a nice day

That is a rude and sarcastic post. DavieG and the other mods put in a lot of personal time so as we can enjoy this great facillty. They deserve better than this; for someone who has been here only a short time you have a lot to say for yourself, which is ok as long as it's civil.

Edit: I think maybe you finally will get this closed....hmm maybe your smarter than ...........

[Koke]

This whole thing is being blown out of proportion. I think everyone (including Milan) should just have a coke and a smile and shut the hell up.

[Kent Fox]

That is a rude and sarcastic post. DavieG and the other mods put in a lot of personal time so as we can enjoy this great facillty. They deserve better than this; for someone who has been here only a short time you have a lot to say for yourself, which is ok as long as it's civil.

Sarcastic? Agreed.

Rude. Don't agree. If he, or anyone else wants to talk crap in reply to me, then I am not going to sit back and take it.

I am very much aware of the work the mods do in their own time. I did not need reminding of that, but thanks.

And what difference does it make how long I have been here?? I know you go on to say, it's ok, but it obviously isn't or you would not have mentioned it in the first place. Right?

The fact I have been here less time than many does not mean I do not know anything about how this forum is run or who takes valuable time out to oversee it.

In fact, I find your comment rude, Smudge.