WHEN WILL CITY PLAY THE PRINCE OF PERSIA?

[Dames]

His free kick wouldn't have gone in against Watford if it wasn't for De Vries' arse.

[Thracian]

As I am home for another 2 hours Ive used the last few mins trying to clarify the boy Sheehan this season according to the report from our OS.

Blackpool - Didnt play - No goals

Accrington - Played - assist by Hume goal by Weso

Crystal Palace - Played (subbed for Levi) - Assist first goal by Kisnorbo via Clem corner and second goal Clemence (Corner)

Watford - Played 85 mins - First goal (Hume), just says picked up 25yds out not sure of assist. 2nd goal Sheehan assist (sort of). His free-kick blocked but ball fell to DJ. Third Goal Sheehan. Deflected free-kick. de Vries got the 4th but no info of assist, he basically made it himself anyway!

Plymouth - Played 90 mins - No goals

QPR - Played 90 mins - Goal via Hume Peno (DJ bought down)

Forest - Played 90 mins - 1st Goal Sheehan, superb free-kick. 2nd goal Stearman picke dup loose ball to score and third was an assist by MDV for Clems great finish.

Charlton - Played 45 mins subbed at HT - NO goals

Villa - Played 90 mins - Assist DJ who fed Fryatt for goal

Stoke - Didnt play - Chambers passed to Fryatt to score.

Wolves - Didnt play - No goals

Sheff Weds - Played 90 mins - 1st goal McAuley from Sheehan corner. 2nd goal Sheehan corner, there keeper punches it onto there defender Sodje.

He`s obviously had an impact to the team when goals are concerned but Clems corners have also created goals. Its hardly conclusive either way but it is interesting to read that in two of the games he didnt play we didn't score. I'm not reading too much into it as I prefer to judge players all-round game but I stand by what I said earlier, he needs to create more in open play.

Sheehan supplied the crossfield pass to Weso before Hume's only goal at Accrington. Perfectly creative from open play. Vital contribution.

Sheehan supplied what should have been a gift goal for Campbell at Sheffield. Perfectly creative from open play.

I thought you were looking at this in detail.

[Geo V]

Sheehan supplied the crossfield pass to Weso before Hume's only goal at Accrington. Perfectly creative from open play. Vital contribution.

Sheehan supplied what should have been a gift goal for Campbell at Sheffield. Perfectly creative from open play.

I thought you were looking at this in detail.

Now we are looking at the person who assisted the bloke who completed the assist and saying he also assisted????!!

[Thracian]

Now we are looking at the person who assisted the bloke who completed the assist and saying he also assisted????!!

If was a positive enough contribution to the move and if he hadn't made that pass we quite possibly wouldn't have scored that winning goal. If Fryatt had made the pass, or Kisnorbo or anyone else I'd have been quite happy to acknowledge the fact. It was, after all, you who decided to examine Sheehan's contributions in detail, not me. I'm only helping you with the facts.

[TheBlinding]

Sheehan supplied the crossfield pass to Weso before Hume's only goal at Accrington. Perfectly creative from open play. Vital contribution.

Didn't Sheehan miss hit a shot out to N'gotty who crossed it and it hit the bar bounced around and came out to Weso who scored?

Edit: Although I do think he should be playing ahead of Mattock purely because of the quality of his set pieces.

[Geo V]

If was a positive enough contribution to the move and if he hadn't made that pass we quite possibly wouldn't have scored that winning goal. If Fryatt had made the pass, or Kisnorbo or anyone else I'd have been quite happy to acknowledge the fact. It was, after all, you who decided to examine Sheehan's contributions in detail, not me. I'm only helping you with the facts.

Im not denying that it is a positive contribution from Sheehan but he wasn't the only one with assists from set pieces and Sheehan has created no goals from open play. My judgment on a player is not only based on goals or assists, its about his all-round game. Is he good helping in defence? Is he creating chances in open play? Is he linking up with his team mates? Work rate? Etc etc. There is plenty to it and Sheehan has done OK but his all round game isn't very sound.

[Thracian]

Im not denying that it is a positive contribution from Sheehan but he wasn't the only one with assists from set pieces and Sheehan has created no goals from open play. My judgment on a player is not only based on goals or assists, its about his all-round game. Is he good helping in defence? Is he creating chances in open play? Is he linking up with his team mates? Work rate? Etc etc. There is plenty to it and Sheehan has done OK but his all round game isn't very sound.

The Accrington goal was from open play and has often created goals from open play. The ONLY reason he hasn't created more this season is because people Campbell have inexplicably wasted them.

As for judging people on an all-round game I can promise you this. Jimmy Greaves was never noted as a defender nor Davie Gibson for his tackling. Paul Scholes is a often a liability defensively, Stanley Matthews was an awful finisher, Rio Ferdinand hardly ever scores and David Beckham rarely takes a an on and beats him. Just to quote some examples.

Sheehan's link-up play can be excellent, you certainly can't get away with be lazy as a wing back and he is nothing like as bad defensively as you pretend. But as I say, it is what players DO that is most inmportant.

Let's take your friend Kaebi. In five games this season he's had two assists. Now lets think of his main rivals. Gradel scored twice in one match and has had one assist. And Chambers has scored three times in four days. Yes, one of Kaebi's assists was in the first team but he's effected little in his four reserves outings - and from the same sorts of areas as Chambers/Gradel.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Im Starting to get the feeling that there is only one player at the club Allan fooking Sheehan every fcuking thread turns back to him ffs

[Daggers]

[Ric Flair]

The Accrington goal was from open play and has often created goals from open play. The ONLY reason he hasn't created more this season is because people Campbell have inexplicably wasted them.

As for judging people on an all-round game I can promise you this. Jimmy Greaves was never noted as a defender nor Davie Gibson for his tackling. Paul Scholes is a often a liability defensively, Stanley Matthews was an awful finisher, Rio Ferdinand hardly ever scores and David Beckham rarely takes a an on and beats him. Just to quote some examples.

Sheehan's link-up play can be excellent, you certainly can't get away with be lazy as a wing back and he is nothing like as bad defensively as you pretend. But as I say, it is what players DO that is most inmportant.

Let's take your friend Kaebi. In five games this season he's had two assists. Now lets think of his main rivals. Gradel scored twice in one match and has had one assist. And Chambers has scored three times in four days. Yes, one of Kaebi's assists was in the first team but he's effected little in his four reserves outings - and from the same sorts of areas as Chambers/Gradel.

Thracian, are you talking about that exquisite pass that Sheehan made to Campbell, left DJ with about 20 yards to goal, where he twisted and turned and eventually blazed one over from about 18 yards. I'd have hoped for a shot on target, but it was hardly a certain goal fed on a plate to him from Sheehan, just a bloody good pass.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Sheehan supplied the crossfield pass to Weso before Hume's only goal at Accrington. Perfectly creative from open play. Vital contribution.

Sheehan supplied what should have been a gift goal for Campbell at Sheffield. Perfectly creative from open play.

I thought you were looking at this in detail.

Shut the f**k up for god's sake.

[Manwell Pablo]

Yes, we're all tired of hearing about Alan Sheehans pass at Sheffield Wednesday.

[Ric Flair]

Kaebi will be in the 16 for Saturday.

[eaststandtom]

Kaebi will be in the 16 for Saturday.

i'd like to see this out of curiosity.

surely if he was that good he'd be in the team!!

is it just that he might be crap?

[Ric Flair]

i'd like to see this out of curiosity.

surely if he was that good he'd be in the team!!

is it just that he might be crap?

The boy has talent, he wouldn't have 50+ caps for Iran at 21, if he was crap. But there's obvious concerns about how well suited he'd be to English football.

[Stevosevic]

I think you're right, he wasnt in the reserves last night so that's a stong hint he will be involved at the weekend.

Anyone know any pubs in loughborough showing the game? I asked in the other thread but no answer.

[RowlattsFox]

Kaebi may not have played for the reserves because Megson wanted to see Maybury in the right wing back position, if we going to play Kaebi in the 3-man midfield then surely he would have played him in the position last night for a half at least to see how he does. Hellings didnt play for the reserves last night, does that mean hes going to be in the squad on saturday.

[eaststandtom]

The boy has talent, he wouldn't have 50+ caps for Iran at 21, if he was crap. But there's obvious concerns about how well suited he'd be to English football.

seems to be the case

[MPH]

I said that if he maintained the rate he is involved at just now it equates to 20+ goals a season and that is a fact. I didn't estimate that is what he would get. I would estimate 14-16 or so if you want to know because there are times when he won't be playing.

Like others I accept Sheehan has things he needs to improve. As do all our players. But to say he's cannot create in open play is bullshit. He has always been creative and it was demonstrated as recently as Sheffield Wednesday (his gift opportunity that Campbell squandered, Forest when he attacked the box continually in the first half, Accrington where he made the only goal, Quorn when he laid on DeVries's goal etc. etc.

Furthermore, he has had no more "bad games" than anyone else - two so far this season - and our defence has conceded slightly fewer goals on average when he's played than when he's not.

Ignore these things if you like - you won't be alone. But even on the free kicks issue alone, every team needs such a specialist and Sheehan is as good as there is in the Championship.

sheehan will score 14 -16 goals?

[Ric Flair]

Kaebi may not have played for the reserves because Megson wanted to see Maybury in the right wing back position, if we going to play Kaebi in the 3-man midfield then surely he would have played him in the position last night for a half at least to see how he does. Hellings didnt play for the reserves last night, does that mean hes going to be in the squad on saturday.

That's a plausible theory, but Megson is not looking for further options for right wing-back. Stearman is playing well there and he's highlighted that Chambers who would normally be playing there is having to fill in, in the centre of midfield.

[Geo V]

It would be great to let Kaebi get a chance and in time, we will see the likes of Gradel get there shot too. Sheehan has and is getting his and has done OK but obviously he hasn't had the type of all-round games that have made us fans sit up and say "Wow, we have a quality one here" like some have said about Weso or even the newer signings like Fulop or Clemence.

[Thracian]

Kaebi will be in the 16 for Saturday.

I'm sure Ashley Chambers will feel great about that!

And if what you say is true I would love to hear the manager's justification for it because he's watched Kaebi play the same matches I have.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm sure Ashley Chambers will feel great about that!

And if what you say is true I would love to hear the manager's justification for it because he's watched Kaebi play the same matches I have.

He's also seen him play in quite a few that you haven't seen! So zip it!

[Fez of Mahrez]

I've had enough. Talking Balls can't be this annoying.

[Thracian]

sheehan will score 14 -16 goals?

We were talking about goals/assists.