Phube Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Great idea force the scum disenfranchasied to go to school/college until they're 18 and ruin it for the rest of the people who want to learn!! Good one!!? Any thoughts!!??
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Great idea force the scum disenfranchasied to go to school/college until they're 18 and ruin it for the rest of the people who want to learn!! Good one!!? Any thoughts!!?? No cos don't have a fcuk what your on about.
hairy Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 It depends Phube. Yes it is better to have people educated until they are 18 but not at school for everyone. The manual skills need to be learnt at a college, such as bricklaying, mechanic, hair dresser etc. These are skills you can only get by getting experience. Those who want to go to Uni can stay at school and do their A levels. Agreed there will still be idiots who treat everything as 'school' but its better than them being on the dole.
Phube Posted 6 November 2007 Author Posted 6 November 2007 I don't mind the aprenteships(?)!! But if they don't do one... where will they go!??
hairy Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 I don't mind the aprenteships(?)!!But if they don't do one... where will they go!?? NHS training
danny. Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Surely just make it compulsory until 18, but you can choose to do the last 2 years in a college instead (without the option to quit). That way you can either do a-levels or a vocational qualification. I think it's a good idea, keeps the chavs occupied for another 2 years, if they bother to turn up I suppose!
Finnegan Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 I really don't see any harm in making your choice of A-Level / GNVQ compulsary, really. At eighteen you're an adult and can decide what you want to do with your life, cool, fair enough. I don't think a majority of sixteen year olds, including myself at 16, are / were really mature enough in this day and age to go off into the big, wide world and really make something of themselves. I know exceptions, but they're in a mammoth minority.
FilboFox Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 'Bout time too! Bloody teenage chav's wandering around need to be taught properly! I was born in Lewisham and moved away from the area because it was too violent and had poor education... walked away at the age of 18 from school with 10 GCSE's (all grade B and above) and an IB diploma worth 31 points which is equivalent to AAAC in A-Level. Pretty good I think!
BigGibbo Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Great idea about time one of the few things America have got right along with life meaning life
josedob Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Great idea about time one of the few things America have got right along with life meaning life Not sure if I should take offense to that or not. Part of the American (public/state) schooling system is also something called a vocational technical school. Kids in the 9th - 12th grades (14-18 yrs) can attend. It addresses the needs others have mentioned i.e. trade industries. The basic gist is that students go to school for half a day to do basics (english/math, etc.) and then the 2nd half of the day is spent learning a trade (automotive, HVAC, bricklaying, etc.) in a consolidated regional vo-tech school. Still in school until 18 - but have option to go differnent specializations (university prep work or vocational prep work). The school my wife used to work at had kids coming out with full SQL and windows certifications.
Ashley Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 I'm agaisnt it. Please dont do it, it's students choice if they want to stay on or not.
danny. Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 I'm agaisnt it.Please dont do it, it's students choice if they want to stay on or not. at what point is it their choice? Using that argument are you saying school should be optional full stop, because it's the student's choice?
Ashley Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 What i'm saying is after year 11 alot of students drop out and go on to do work and aprentierships. If the age went up to 18 attendence levels would drop etc.. If people want to stay on after year 11 let them, if they dont they dont want to
lookwhaticando Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Yes. Do it. For the future good of the country our education system needs to produce more skilled and educated workers. If that means making kids stay in school until 18 until they earn either some A-levesl or a qualification in a certain trade/skill, then so be it. If a sixteen year old decides that his future lies outside of the education system from that point onwards, he/she should be allowed to drop-out. Dropping out, however, should incur a significant financial charge. Mostly to deter any potential drop-outs from dropping out... but also so that the government can invest the money back into the education system (for the greater good of every other 16 year old who sucks it up and gets on with it) and/or into the employment insurance program which the drop-out will most likely be taking money from at some point later in life. That's going to go down well.
Ashley Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 I've heard the goverment want to get rid of GCSE's and bring in diploma's or something like that instead
Jon the Hat Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 You need to make sure they are incentivised to work as well. I suggest that you should not be able to go on the dole straight from shcool. You should have to work first. If you work for 3 months, your dole lasts 3 months after that then stops. Once you hit 21, you qualify regardless of work history. Lets see people survive for 3 years without a job. Their parents will soon get fed up paying for them.
BigGibbo Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Not sure if I should take offense to that or not. Part of the American (public/state) schooling system is also something called a vocational technical school. Kids in the 9th - 12th grades (14-18 yrs) can attend. It addresses the needs others have mentioned i.e. trade industries. The basic gist is that students go to school for half a day to do basics (english/math, etc.) and then the 2nd half of the day is spent learning a trade (automotive, HVAC, bricklaying, etc.) in a consolidated regional vo-tech school. Still in school until 18 - but have option to go differnent specializations (university prep work or vocational prep work). The school my wife used to work at had kids coming out with full SQL and windows certifications. If you support Bush then you should probably take offence Yes its the same here i was doing a GNVQ while still going school when i was 14 so were not proposing that kids are stuck in classrooms until there 18
josedob Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 If you support Bush then you should probably take offence Ha! No comment. really wish we had the shortened campaign seasons like you do the UK. I'm sick of hearing about an election that's a year away! One thing I do know - it's nice to be finished school! (Unless I subject myself to the PhD).
BigGibbo Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Ha! No comment. really wish we had the shortened campaign seasons like you do the UK. I'm sick of hearing about an election that's a year away! One thing I do know - it's nice to be finished school! (Unless I subject myself to the PhD). Who's the favourite im thinking Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as president Although i want to vote for Stephen Colbert if he runs
Bryn Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 As a current, fairly intelligent and socially concious college student here in the UK I have to say that this is an awful idea. The dicks won't stay, simple as. They'll just try to leave. Those that are ensnared by the teachers will just sit around in the classroom and piss about, distracting others from their work. Schools would have to waste vital resources getting the young adults (which is what they are, mature or not) to firstly attend the classes and secondly behave, in class sizes which will be increased, filled with people whose only contribution will be negative. Those who choose to be there will get a raw deal from this. They will become even more disillusioned with their studies - one of the best parts of moving onto college was not having to worry about being distracted in lessons, about fights at the gates at 3.30pm and such. It's a time to enjoy definately but also to be able to get some work done and mature as a person and this decision will help NOONE.
Head Honcho Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 It's not being fully implemented for another 7 or 8 years so I'm sure they'll be able to sell it to the kids by then! Those that don't/won't do it will never have done it anyway and will carry on the family tradition of sponging off the rest of us.
BigGibbo Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 As a current, fairly intelligent and socially concious college student here in the UK I have to say that this is an awful idea.The dicks won't stay, simple as. They'll just try to leave. Those that are ensnared by the teachers will just sit around in the classroom and piss about, distracting others from their work. Schools would have to waste vital resources getting the young adults (which is what they are, mature or not) to firstly attend the classes and secondly behave, in class sizes which will be increased, filled with people whose only contribution will be negative. Those who choose to be there will get a raw deal from this. They will become even more disillusioned with their studies - one of the best parts of moving onto college was not having to worry about being distracted in lessons, about fights at the gates at 3.30pm and such. It's a time to enjoy definately but also to be able to get some work done and mature as a person and this decision will help NOONE. It will help people in the long run most people aren't ready to go in to the real world at 16 though they don't realise or wouldn't admit it. I agree that people shouldn't be forced to stay in standard sixth form but i don't think thats whats being proposed. Keeping people involved in education until there at least 18 Whether in a classroom or on a vocational course or even modern apprenticeship would leave people better equipped for life in general.
AoWW Posted 6 November 2007 Posted 6 November 2007 Yes. Do it......... For the future good of the country our education system needs to produce more skilled and educated workers. If that means making kids stay in school until 18 until they earn either some A-levesl or a qualification in a certain trade/skill, then so be it. <more blah blah bollocks 'n' stuff>
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