ithuriel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 if a game has already been stopped and a decision that could change the game has been considered then why not use video technology? you could also use video tech at half time and full time to penalise players for cheating so that if they dive or hit another player they know they are going to pay for it.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 I dont think we should change the game, as most decisions cancel themselves out after a season... it would just make the game alot lengthier and make it stop and start every 5 minutes
Bluefoxtim Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 How far would this have to go though? All the small clubs with no money - they gonna have to fork out for all this technology etc
Fat Ron Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 if a game has already been stopped and a decision that could change the game has been considered then why not use video technology? you could also use video tech at half time and full time to penalise players for cheating so that if they dive or hit another player they know they are going to pay for it. This is a debate that unfortunately will be taken out of our hands. I'm big time against using video tech but I appreciate why some would be for it.. I think that once FIFA stop sucking each other off and start governing football the decision will be made, and not for the good of the game but to "modernise it". When it happens, I think I will start following lower league sides, the ones that cant afford all the tech crap, If I want to play computerised football/chess then I'd stay at home to do it. I want to watch & play football.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 This is a debate that unfortunately will be taken out of our hands. I'm big time against using video tech but I appreciate why some would be for it..I think that once FIFA stop sucking each other off and start governing football the decision will be made, and not for the good of the game but to "modernise it". When it happens, I think I will start following lower league sides, the ones that cant afford all the tech crap, If I want to play computerised football/chess then I'd stay at home to do it. I want to watch & play football.
CupidStunt Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 What gets me is,the ref gives a corner,and nothing else Until some jobs worth sticks his oar in,gives a peno,with a red card to boot Both of them got it wrong Techically the ref got it correct,but then was swayed by the linesman,so in theory the ref got it wrong If the ref was giving a corner,and he was SURE that was the correct decision,then why the fook did he listen to the linesman? If then he chose to listen to the linesman,then he couldnt have been sure it was a corner,and maybe he should have given a goal kick He should have told the linesman to Fook off,and keep his flag out of sight If i made mistakes like that doing my job,me p45 would soon be following Why is it that during any leicester game,there is always something to moan about,and feel we have been robbed ?....Does me fecking swede in
MPH Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 And has the ref been demoted and banned for three months?And is the game to be replayed to a fair outcome? And is the referees assistant being allowed to remain in football? What a pity those officials couldn't do their thinking during the match instead of afterwards. None of what they did was right or necessary. If referees can only get decisions right after looking at a video WHY can't they look at the video when it's needed? now THAT is a whole different discussion and thread....
Smudge Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Again, you're right.Keep talking sense mate. Don't let the masses beat you down. Who'd a thunk it.............you Luddite!
Jonezy Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Video tech sounds like dreamland. Then you will just have all the arguments about what incidents to view and not to view. In NFL they have specific rules on what kind of plays you can reviews, and who can call the review, and they still get quite a few wrong. You could argue, that in top leagues, you could have a 5th offical just looking at a monitor, who the ref can contact, when he is unsure what happend. But what about the grass roots as someone mentioned, they would still have to rely on old school referering. I am quite sure you will still see decisions, which could have gone to either side and are therefore impossible to get right. You could argue, only the major and important incidents should be reviewed, but who will decide, which ones are major and important? There are just too many complications and things to consider, that I do not believe its worth it. FIFA needs to get their fat arses moving though, and change some basic football rules. Why can you get a double punishment in the shape of both a penalty and a red card? Its ridiculous. Also they need to specify the hands to ball rules, as each ref rules individually on this issue. Some refs would not have given the penalty S'hampton got against us. On a side note. Someone needs to get the bloody needles out of that Haitian voodoo doll dressed in a Leicester City FC shirt, before a depressed suicidal Leicester fan shows up with an UZI at the annual FA christmas lunch................
Smudge Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Agreed. Also as Ive mentioned before, what about Grass roots? Football is a great game becasue the rules are the same at the top as they are at the bottom. Introduce video replays and we will just seperate the top 4 leagues from everyone else.Keep the game simple, thats what makes it brilliant!! What sport that has cameras at all levels of the game? None that I know of.............football would be no different.
Fat Ron Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 What sport that has cameras at all levels of the game? None that I know of.............football would be no different. Exactly my point... If we introduced them at football league level it would make the Sport different to that at Grass roots therefore inconsistant.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 dont fix something if it isnt broken these mishaps cancel each out over a season and im sure we'll be no different
Simi Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 dont fix something if it isnt broken these mishaps cancel each out over a season and im sure we'll be no different Quite frankly one of the strangest statements I've read for a while.
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Quite frankly one of the strangest statements I've read for a while. why? for everything that goes wrong, something will come right for us... southampton for example, they get a dodgy penalty but had a goal ruled out earlier in the match. Over a whole season, things will go for us and things wont. But when matches i watch start becoming slow and stop - start every two minutes then it would seriously annoy me. Debates make football interesting, and yes it is exasperating being on the end of a contraversial win, but im sure we werent complaining when that southampton goal was disallowed? Football is going downhill enough with all these foreign imports and goal-line technology... why cant we keep football the ways its meant to be played, without all this additional crap?
Simi Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 why? for everything that goes wrong, something will come right for us... southampton for example, they get a dodgy penalty but had a goal ruled out earlier in the match. Over a whole season, things will go for us and things wont. But when matches i watch start becoming slow and stop - start every two minutes then it would seriously annoy me. Debates make football interesting, and yes it is exasperating being on the end of a contraversial win, but im sure we werent complaining when that southampton goal was disallowed? Football is going downhill enough with all these foreign imports and goal-line technology... why cant we keep football the ways its meant to be played, without all this additional crap? I'm not keen on the use of technology in football, but your statement... dont fix something if it isnt broken dunno.gif these mishaps cancel each out over a season and im sure we'll be no different ...I don't agree with. It clearly is broken, but technology is not essentially the answer. Better training for referees and full backing from the FA is needed at grass roots level and the top level. To say that these 'mishaps cancel each other out' is not true I beleive. You can't sit there waiting for a decsion to come your way. Imagine if we got relegated on the last day because of a bad decsion....then the next game we play we get an iffy penalty, you think that cancels it out?
Super Arj Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 hasnt anyone noticed that the ref was from nottighamshire twat
Asha Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 hasnt anyone noticed that the ref was from nottighamshiretwat They only hate Derby...
Nationwider Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 I'd agree with The Flannel and The Slicker on this one. Refereeing mistakes can't be avoided - the only concession to technology I might make is for "is it/isn't it" goal-line decisions in the most important games when the stakes are at their highest and the reputation of the game stands to be damaged the most by a blatant error (domestic and European finals, major international tournaments only, perhaps?). I don't want the game stopped and started all the time. What about Reading's "penalty" on Saturday against Liverpool? A TV replay still didn't give a definitive answer (to me, anyway). Not enough protection is given to referees. This is entirely the fault of the authorities who still indulge/fail to punish blantant intimidation and gamesmanship. Referees still lean (subconsciously) towards the home team, or the teams with more influence off the pitch. The FA, PL and FL have never got to grips with this - the punishments for "gamesmanship" in the widest sense are pathetic. Chedly King's comment on better backing for refs is spot on. I don't think mistakes literally cancel themselves out, but then I've read or heard more than one account of Hume's goal against West Brom which has suggested it shouldn't have stood. It didn't affect the game, but then it's a truism that the team that finishes bottom of the league is generally the most unlucky over the course of a season. The ref screwed up - but he's admitted it straight away, to his credit. I hope he called Ollie to apologise. Banning refs for crap decisions is ridiculous - it just perpetuates the climate of fear that they operate under at all professional levels.
davieG Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 I'd agree with The Flannel and The Slicker on this one. Refereeing mistakes can't be avoided - the only concession to technology I might make is for "is it/isn't it" goal-line decisions in the most important games when the stakes are at their highest and the reputation of the game stands to be damaged the most by a blatant error (domestic and European finals, major international tournaments only, perhaps?). I don't want the game stopped and started all the time. What about Reading's "penalty" on Saturday against Liverpool? A TV replay still didn't give a definitive answer (to me, anyway).Not enough protection is given to referees. This is entirely the fault of the authorities who still indulge/fail to punish blantant intimidation and gamesmanship. Referees still lean (subconsciously) towards the home team, or the teams with more influence off the pitch. The FA, PL and FL have never got to grips with this - the punishments for "gamesmanship" in the widest sense are pathetic. Chedly King's comment on better backing for refs is spot on. I don't think mistakes literally cancel themselves out, but then I've read or heard more than one account of Hume's goal against West Brom which has suggested it shouldn't have stood. It didn't affect the game, but then it's a truism that the team that finishes bottom of the league is generally the most unlucky over the course of a season. The ref screwed up - but he's admitted it straight away, to his credit. I hope he called Ollie to apologise. Banning refs for crap decisions is ridiculous - it just perpetuates the climate of fear that they operate under at all professional levels. I think also that they need to deal with this sending off issue as a paying customer I strongly believe I'm being short changed when this happens to either team, that doesn't mean that some games with reduced teams aren't exciting but it's not what I've paid to see. A bit of imagination and consideration of the paying public and it should be easy to come up with acceptable alternatives, even to the extent of using video evidence post match if necessary and where available.
CupidStunt Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 What i'd like to see more than anything is ref's actually being allowed to talk to the camera's afterwards and explain there woeful decisions,and give us there point of view
Leicester-Sam Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Well that's one good thing in a blue moon then.
potter3 Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 I think also that they need to deal with this sending off issue as a paying customer I strongly believe I'm being short changed when this happens to either team, that doesn't mean that some games with reduced teams aren't exciting but it's not what I've paid to see. A bit of imagination and consideration of the paying public and it should be easy to come up with acceptable alternatives, even to the extent of using video evidence post match if necessary and where available. Perhaps for the "inbetween" fouls (if you know what I mean, between yellow and red ) There should be a card whoch forces the team to substitute the offending player. If they have no subs left then he's off
WetFlannel Posted 12 December 2007 Posted 12 December 2007 Perhaps for the "inbetween" fouls (if you know what I mean, between yellow and red ) There should be a card whoch forces the team to substitute the offending player. If they have no subs left then he's off like pardew and song?
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