The Big Debate!

[davieG]

good luck with that

i'd switch the away fans personally...i know it would require a bit of reorganisation but surely that's better than pissing around with the STHs

If you move the away fans you'd have to 'piss around with the STHs' where ever you were moving them too. If you move out the families from the family stand you'd be ''pissing around with the STHs' in there.

Would there really be a great deal of difference in the number of 'STHs being pissed around' ?

[acooling08]

It would create a better atmosphere to put the kop next to the away fans.

(sorry if someone has already said this)

[WetFlannel]

Why would moving a stand make you want to go to more games?

[Jimmy]

hardly fair i'm 14 but sing all game.

you could still go, you'd just have to pay adult prices, as it was at Filbo

[lee7]

you could still go, you'd just have to pay adult prices, as it was at Filbo

thats ok then

[Floating Fox]

Ok, I see what you mean. Would that make you one of the people that crave atmosphere so much they arent too concerned about the quiet area's as long as they're sitting in the noisy part?

Is that what the whole idea is about, improving the atmosphere for those that want it, the rest of the ground can carry on as normal?

Sorry if this reads like I'm being awkward, its just an innocent question.

No problem.

Yeah I guess I'd agree with what you said. I do crave atmosphere & if no-one wants to join in, so be it!

[Fez of Mahrez]

We've had some 16-year-olds in front of us this season that have been ****ing annoying little twats, just as I'm sure there are some 30-year-olds who find us ****ing annoying at the same time.

I don't think banning kids is the answer. It's up to the "right people" to buy season tickets in the right places. The kids are in the Kop because they can be. They're not getting there ahead of a queue of singers wanting to sit or stand there. Obviously some are in L1 but the rest don't exist anymore.

[Floating Fox]

Why would moving a stand make you want to go to more games?

Better atmosphere?

I only go when I get free tickets for home games (Quite often actually ) because most of them are garbage and a waste of money. If the atmosphere was even half decent (Like Saturday) then I would get a Season Ticket again, like I did for Nblock.

[Chimp]

This argument about switching the Kop to the North Stand is totally bogus.

The reason there is no atmosphere at the stadium has nothing to do with the seating arangement. It has everything to do with the standard of football we have seen on the pitch over the past couple of years, with the overall emotion of the fans being fear, trepidation and dissapointement.

Do you not remember our first season at the Walkers? The season we got promoted? Do you not remember the atmosphere in the stadium when we were flying high up at the top of the table? Do you not remember the Forest game during that season, when the Walkers truly did become a fortress?

I guarantee that once we start playing better football and get back into the play-off positions that the atmosphere will return.

There is no need for any change to the seating arrangements or any real mitigating reason for the massive disruption it would cause to the fan base.

[Joe.]

This argument about switching the Kop to the North Stand is totally bogus.

The reason there is no atmosphere at the stadium has nothing to do with the seating arangement. It has everything to do with the standard of football we have seen on the pitch over the past couple of years, with the overall emotion of the fans being fear, trepidation and dissapointement.

Do you not remember our first season at the Walkers? The season we got promoted? Do you not remember the atmosphere in the stadium when we were flying high up at the top of the table? Do you not remember the Forest game during that season, when the Walkers truly did become a fortress?

I guarantee that once we start playing better football and get back into the play-off positions that the atmosphere will return.

There is no need for any change to the seating arrangements or any real mitigation for the massive disruption it would cause to the fan base.

Agree 100% with that.

[Filberts lovechild]

I foolishly left it to my mate to get us tickets for the Cardiff game, and he got them last minute, in the family stand (honestly if you want something doing, do it yourself) But being over there I noticed a few things

1. The security don't open the gates at half time so smokers can't smoke. They will need to sort that out if the Kop moved and 2. fook me people in there need a bag of life throwing over them. You start singing and shouting and getting behind the team and people look at you like you've just broke into their house and pissed on their kids. Seriously did my head in that night!

I'm in favour of either of these situations.

1. Kop moves to family stand, under 16's not allowed in Kop or

2. Kop stays where it is, under 16's not allowed in Kop

But it definately needs sorting out and should be up high on the agenda of things to look at. Higher on the agenda than the music IMO! ha

[Raj]

I would move from L1 to the new kop.

IF the new kop had scantily clad ladies serving behind the kiosks.

That is the answer to all the problems.

scantily clad women solve EVERYTHING!!!!

[Jimmy]

I would move from L1 to the new kop.

IF the new kop had scantily clad ladies serving behind the kiosks.

That is the answer to all the problems.

scantily clad women solve EVERYTHING!!!!

good idea in theory but in practice it means massive queues and no 1 in the stands

[Raj]

good idea in theory but in practice it means massive queues and no 1 in the stands

I suppose that would be abit disconcerning for the players!!!!

[Tommeh]

I sit in L1

I would stay in L1

Same.

Would love to see this go through and best of luck to the lads but I feel this is down to the keen kop singers to do it and make the switch. If L1 moved aswell it would defeat the object of having two decent singing areas.

[Micky Ruddle]

Basically, move to the North Stand becoming the new Kop. And would come to more games.

[Daggers]

The entire idea is ****ed.

The premise that redesignating two stands is going to lead to an improvement in atmosphere is wholly without evidence.

As flights of fancy go it is a lovely idea - but it will never happen. N-block was your opportunity to prove that large number of people would prefer to sit in a "singing area" and it failed, for whatever the reasons, and so there is no hope of the club supporting your idea.

I sit in the Kop. I will stay in the Kop.

[Daggers]

scantily clad women solve EVERYTHING!!!!

Fermat's Theorum?

[Master Fox]

Firstly, I think the family stand should stay where it is, I have less distance to walk to the car.

Secondly, if nobody sings now what difference will it make what stand they're sitting/standing in? I think what the problem is that we're a crap miserable bunch of supporters with a failing team. Other clubs have no trouble creating atmosphere if their so called ‘signing section’ isn’t located next to the away fans. The whole idea seems as if people want permission from the club to cause an unfriendly/threatening atmosphere to provoke the away section like we did at Filbert Street.

I strongly believe once we’re achieving on the pitch nobody would give a sh*t about this and the atmosphere will improve.

I suggest moving to L1 if want to have close upfront banter with the away fans.

Oh, but get rid of that awful goal music.

[Trav Le Bleu]

At Filbo I sat in every stand at one time or another (though my first game as a 12 year old was in the top tier of the kop) and to be honest, although the atmosphere was better in the kop, you didn't miss out too much sitting elsewhere as at times as the whole stadium would sing. I think this was because the kop was closer to the rest of the ground, so drew everyone in eventually.

But then of course I can remember the West Stand having terracing along the front. THAT would make a difference. Sod moving the kop, bring back terracing (they still have it in some of the German grounds, they have removable seats)!

[scrivins2]

U sit in L1 and would see if the L1'ers moved to the first block of the new kop nearest the away fans before moving

[Daggers]

What might work out better is if everyone moved five seats to their right at the begining of every match?

[Phlashman]

Why not just have a team that inspires a great atmosphere?

[Fez of Mahrez]

Maybe the club and players like the idea of noise coming from more than one part of the ground (Kop and away fans/L1 area)

[James.]

I think people are starting to overdo the whole crap atmosphere thing.

Of course we should always be looking at improving it and yes at times it can be very quiet but honestly the Walkers against Coventry (I was in F1) was louder than any of the away stadiums I've been to recently, bar St Mary's.

It's a performance thing. If we maintain the momentum gathered from the Coventry game than the atmosphere generated there will become the norm as opposed to the exception.