Teacher's Striking.

[lildave3]

I bet you have.

:laugh:

Anyway, yeah. I'd love a day off, haven't had one for ages.

[Daggers]

You're correct, but it doesn't mean that those who are under contract shouldn't be paid more. I think wages across the board in this country are piss poor.

You can argue that salaries should be regionalised to reflect local costs, but in the main I think thirty grand is pretty decent for a salary and £35K for post-threshold is reasonable too. Top that off with thirteen weeks a year holiday and there's not many jobs to touch it.

At a time when pay rises are being scrapped in industry, council workers face up to a 50% pay cut and the deal offered to teachers exceeds that of the Police - general support and sympathy for teachers is going to be in short supply.

Again, this is the NUT flexing its militant muscle and children are the ones going to suffer just before the examination period. Everyone wants to be paid more money but I can not support this strike action, it's just plain wrong.

[LeeCovFox]

You can argue that salaries should be regionalised to reflect local costs, but in the main I think thirty grand is pretty decent for a salary and £35K for post-threshold is reasonable too. Top that off with thirteen weeks a year holiday and there's not many jobs to touch it.

At a time when pay rises are being scrapped in industry, council workers face up to a 50% pay cut and the deal offered to teachers exceeds that of the Police - general support and sympathy for teachers is going to be in short supply.

Again, this is the NUT flexing its militant muscle and children are the ones going to suffer just before the examination period. Everyone wants to be paid more money but I can not support this strike action, it's just plain wrong.

I guess then that our politics are just different, I'm quite left wing in my politics and so tend to support strike action, within reason of course. I certainly sympathise with your view that the children will suffer from this in the short term, but I would be concerned for their long term future if they were being taught by people who are disatisfied with their lot. I want those in charge of educationg children to be happy enough with their lot that they can concentrate all thier efforts on educating kids to the best of their ability.

I also agree that at this time, when things are not going too well economically, and others in equally worthy jobs are suffering, that people will not view such action with a lot of sympathy. But I still believe that they should be paid more for what they do. That also goes for the police and for those working in industry may I add. As I've said previously, I think wages in this county are lower than they should be in all sectors.

[Cal]

Ive got a day off, only about 5 teachers are striking aswell

[StroudFox]

You can argue that salaries should be regionalised to reflect local costs, but in the main I think thirty grand is pretty decent for a salary and £35K for post-threshold is reasonable too. Top that off with thirteen weeks a year holiday and there's not many jobs to touch it.

At a time when pay rises are being scrapped in industry, council workers face up to a 50% pay cut and the deal offered to teachers exceeds that of the Police - general support and sympathy for teachers is going to be in short supply.

Again, this is the NUT flexing its militant muscle and children are the ones going to suffer just before the examination period. Everyone wants to be paid more money but I can not support this strike action, it's just plain wrong.

Depends where you are. I am post-threshold and under £35K.

13 weeks holiday of which I work through half of them, e.g. half terms and 1 week at Christmas/Easter. I am NUT but decided not to striike. Most people think teaching is a piece of but is demanding and you work more hours than people think if you want to do it properly.

I am in support of all public sector workers getting a pay-rise, not just teachers. My dad works for Leicester City Council and is having to take a pay cit.

[Daggers]

I guess then that our politics are just different, I'm quite left wing in my politics and so tend to support strike action, within reason of course. I certainly sympathise with your view that the children will suffer from this in the short term, but I would be concerned for their long term future if they were being taught by people who are disatisfied with their lot. I want those in charge of educationg children to be happy enough with their lot that they can concentrate all thier efforts on educating kids to the best of their ability.

I also agree that at this time, when things are not going too well economically, and others in equally worthy jobs are suffering, that people will not view such action with a lot of sympathy. But I still believe that they should be paid more for what they do. That also goes for the police and for those working in industry may I add. As I've said previously, I think wages in this county are lower than they should be in all sectors.

Thanks for wanting to increase my pay packet

I entered teaching for one reason - to help children learn. There is one single rule for any action - "Will it benefit the kids?" This rule applies inside the classroom as well as outside it.

The biggest argument that teachers have had, historically, has been that of an improvement in conditions of service rather than salary. Although not perfect, it has been addressed over the last 10 years and is much improved (as is the salary) and therefore it is unsurprising that the majority of teachers did not even get balloted about strike action as their Unions rejected such proposals.

Only the NUT with a history of daft causes and a minority extremist section has gone for this response and only 48,204 teachers supported this action call, that's less than 25% of the membership of the NUT...less than 10% of the teaching body as a whole. Their action will impact on the standing of teachers in the eyes of the country - it's not democratic, it's anarchic. It's not supported by people dissatisfied with their lot because the vast majority of teachers do not support it whatsoever. When you see the NAS, the NUT and the ATL all calling for national action then you know the teaching body as a whole (aside from PAT/VOICE) are concerned...but they aren't.

I write to my MP and prospective MPs about education policy, I belong to a Union that lobbies the main political parties and I talk to friends, voters. That is how you effect change in education - none of the benefits to the teaching contract have resulted from strike action - not one. The NUT has had a confrontational approach throughout its history and yet it has not made one bit of difference. Diplomacy and teacher recruitment and retention rates have been, and will continue to be, the only course of action that is morally acceptable and (most importantly) successful.

[AoWW]

Haven't even heard this being discussed in my school; but then we are on a slightly different pay scale. Personally, I don't think strike action is the right course of action on this occasion. I joined one of the less 'militant' unions anyway... which I'd no doubt curse if NUT colleagues decided to do this more often - I'd quite like some extra days off!

[Floating Fox]

Haven't even heard this being discussed in my school; but then we are on a slightly different pay scale. Personally, I don't think strike action is the right course of action on this occasion. I joined one of the less 'militant' unions anyway... which I'd no doubt curse if NUT colleagues decided to do this more often - I'd quite like some extra days off!

[Daggers]

teaching ... is demanding and you work more hours than people think if you want to do it properly.

My wife got roped into doing the ICT for KS1 in Caracas, she has worked in industry all her life and works her arse off...but she could not believe how emotionally, mentally and physically demanding the job was - and the fact that you really don't stop during the entire day. The tiny space of free time during the day is always filled with planning or assessment or meetings, which then continues late into the evening.

We were thinking that she would do a QTS course before she started - the fact that she has gone back into the world of normal work speaks volumes, she earns far more than I will and gets time to make a coffee, have a chat and pop to the shops during lunch.

I can see us going down the Scottish model of compulsory hours of training per year/study with the Masters qualification - which has its benefits but will rob teachers of even more time. This is going to have a far greater impact on the ability to prep and deliver quality classes than a just below inflation rate rise.

[Thracian]

Marxist trades union (I've read) and people who don't know when they're well off. Lots of em get double what they deserve as it is, not to mention the endless holidays.

And some example this sets.

Schools might be a convenience which enables dads and mums to both go to work but many kids would be better off doing things instead of sitting around in classrooms answering pick one from three questionaires.

Education Otherwise is the way forwards. At least it saves kids minds being got at by people who are more interested in trades union militancy than doing what they are contracted to do.

Shut the schools and give people their freedom back. Who needs brains to drive forklifts and man fast food bars anyway.

Teachers are like farmers. They're always moaning how hard-done-by they are yet you never see one that's skint and if there's someone in a pub telling you about their latest exotic holiday it'll be a teacher..

We've got one over the road. Deputy head, Mercedes 4 x 4 and two detached houses at about 30. Yes, I feel real sorry for him.

Perhaps they should put lessons in greed on the curriculum because, in case they've not noticed while cocooned in their classrooms, the parents of many of the kids who'll be affected by strike action are struggling big time right now. Kick em in the balls while you've got the chance, why don't you?

Pity the taxmen don't do a tour of the antiques and collectors fairs to see how many teachers are moonlighting in that business cos they're not happy with their salaries and perks but want a slice of someone else's living as well. You can always tell em too.

Smug, self-satisfied usually ageing women whose stock is always more expensive than most because, as they'll tell you, they don't have to sell it but hope to find some mug who'll pay top whack.

They tell you, of course, because they're snobs and don't want you to think that the NEED to be earning with the riff raff. "It's just a little extra to pay for the Windies trip".

With teachers you either love em or hate em and they seem to be split right down the middle. And I can guess which half are provoking the strike.

I just pity the rest having to put up with them. Cos good teachers are worth their weight in gold and will put the kids first, second and last.

[AoWW]

Marxist trades union (I've read) and people who don't know when they're well off. Lots of em get double what they deserve as it is, not to mention the endless holidays.

And some example this sets.

Schools might be a convenience which enables dads and mums to both go to work but many kids would be better off doing things instead of sitting around in classrooms answering pick one from three questionaires.

Education Otherwise is the way forwards. At least it saves kids minds being got at by people who are more interested in trades union militancy than doing what they are contracted to do.

Shut the schools and give people their freedom back. Who needs brains to drive forklifts and man fast food bars anyway.

Is this another of your attempts to spark a debate by being wildly controversial just for your own personal amusement? After all, we have seen you do this (on different subjects) numerous times before. I'm certainly not going to credit it with a response as, quite frankly, I've got better things to do... like planning interesting, informative, challenging lessons (that at no point involve multiple choice questions!) for the kids I teach.

Hopefully others will be able to spot a wind-up merchant too.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

We've got teacher strikes over here, but that's cos our teachers are paid rather shit rates.

We have a state Labor government who are quite fascist most of the time.

Furthermore the stinking Tories have stepped in and said if they're elected, they'll fill the pay increase

I wonder why screwing over workers was their policy at the last election then?

Need some good old fashioned socialism on a state level IMO

[Thracian]

Depends where you are. I am post-threshold and under £35K.

13 weeks holiday of which I work through half of them, e.g. half terms and 1 week at Christmas/Easter. I am NUT but decided not to striike. Most people think teaching is a piece of but is demanding and you work more hours than people think if you want to do it properly.

I am in support of all public sector workers getting a pay-rise, not just teachers. My dad works for Leicester City Council and is having to take a pay cit.

Many teachers I've met wouldn't have a clue what hard work really is. And many people would snap your hand off for £35,000. Stop feeling so sorry for yourself.

This country doesn't need anyone getting a pay rise right now. Nor Governments stealing more money off the workforce in taxes.

The economy is fast heading for shit creek and it needs everyone to stop being so sodding greedy. Including the politicians and teachers who should be setting an example.

[Thracian]

Is this another of your attempts to spark a debate by being wildly controversial just for your own personal amusement? After all, we have seen you do this (on different subjects) numerous times before. I'm certainly not going to credit it with a response as, quite frankly, I've got better things to do... like planning interesting, informative, challenging lessons (that at no point involve multiple choice questions!) for the kids I teach.

Hopefully others will be able to spot a wind-up merchant too.

I think I've already referred to the value of private education once today. What do you want, cheer leaders?

Besides would you deny the Marxist leanings of the NUT?

And are you one of those going on strike anyway?

Cos I'm damned sure I wouldn't when I was teaching in the private sector.

Good money and I loved every minute.

[Tubes]

At my school next Thursday some of the teachers are going on strike.

For a pissing pay rise.

Hopefully this means day off school.

Which ones?

Brinders wont know what to do with himself haha

[The People's Hero]

I blame all of this on my ex-girlfriend.

[danny.]

I blame (ankle)

[The People's Hero]

When was the last time (ankle) striked?

[Geo V]

An alternative type of teacher striking was when I moved from the rural community of Ramsey in Cambridgeshire to the lovely Leicester aged about 14, coming from a school where respect was high on the agenda and we even had to wear purple blazers and dodgy ties to then attend City of Leicester school, home of Gary Lineker where my first day at school was greeted with Scott Jordan, a fellow classmate who lured his seat at the teacher and fooked off

Aaah that was the good old days. Where teacher strikes meant something.

[LeeCovFox]

Thanks for wanting to increase my pay packet

I entered teaching for one reason - to help children learn. There is one single rule for any action - "Will it benefit the kids?" This rule applies inside the classroom as well as outside it.

The biggest argument that teachers have had, historically, has been that of an improvement in conditions of service rather than salary. Although not perfect, it has been addressed over the last 10 years and is much improved (as is the salary) and therefore it is unsurprising that the majority of teachers did not even get balloted about strike action as their Unions rejected such proposals.

Only the NUT with a history of daft causes and a minority extremist section has gone for this response and only 48,204 teachers supported this action call, that's less than 25% of the membership of the NUT...less than 10% of the teaching body as a whole. Their action will impact on the standing of teachers in the eyes of the country - it's not democratic, it's anarchic. It's not supported by people dissatisfied with their lot because the vast majority of teachers do not support it whatsoever. When you see the NAS, the NUT and the ATL all calling for national action then you know the teaching body as a whole (aside from PAT/VOICE) are concerned...but they aren't.

I write to my MP and prospective MPs about education policy, I belong to a Union that lobbies the main political parties and I talk to friends, voters. That is how you effect change in education - none of the benefits to the teaching contract have resulted from strike action - not one. The NUT has had a confrontational approach throughout its history and yet it has not made one bit of difference. Diplomacy and teacher recruitment and retention rates have been, and will continue to be, the only course of action that is morally acceptable and (most importantly) successful.

You see I didn't realise this. I thought that strike action was ratified as a result of a popular vote, and that a majority of teachers would have to support the action for it to become reality.

[SamL]

I hope I get the day off, can't see it happening though. We haven't been told anything about it yet.

I hate Thursdays, don't finish until 4.30.

[Raj]

My Mrs is a tecaher and a Brillitantt one to.

she tout me how to spel.

if anykwone has a go at here i'll fcuking kil em.

Seriously,i think she's in ATl and they aint striking.

When i was at School in the mid 80's we had loads of strike action by teachers and it disrupted our education.

At the time we couldnt give a fcuk and lapped it up as more recreation time but looking back now i could have been as brainy as Alexipopopopopopopos if i had proper Schooling.

And they could have picked up my ADHT earlier!!!

[LeeCovFox]

An alternative type of teacher striking was when I moved from the rural community of Ramsey in Cambridgeshire to the lovely Leicester aged about 14, coming from a school where respect was high on the agenda and we even had to wear purple blazers and dodgy ties to then attend City of Leicester school, home of Gary Lineker where my first day at school was greeted with Scott Jordan, a fellow classmate who lured his seat at the teacher and fooked off

Aaah that was the good old days. Where teacher strikes meant something.

Ah, City of Leicester. School of Kings....

[Raj]

Ah, City of Leicester. School of Kings....

City of Leicester is full of queers!

Mundella was well 'ard!

[Zingari]

they do about 15 hours a week for about 3 weeks a year and they want more money

loada workshy useless layabout Marxists if you ask me

but then nobody ever does

in the old days a "teacher's strike" meant you were in for a jolly good thrashing with a 6 foot long swishy cane