isaidno Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 There's so many differant ways this group can finish P GD PTS 1 Netherlands 2 6 6 2 Romania 2 0 2 3 France 2 -3 1 4 Italy 2 -3 1 If France & Italy draw, they have a penalty shoot out to decide who finishes 3rd in the group ( 2nd if Romania get stuffed by the Dutch ).
SamL Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Here are several Permutations: The Netherlands have won Group C and will play the Group D runners-up in the quarter-finals.Romania will qualify for the quarter-finals if they beat the Netherlands, eliminating France and Italy. If Romania fail to beat the Netherlands, the winner of France v Italy will go through. If France and Italy draw, a point against the Netherlands would be enough to send Romania through. France must win to have any chance of qualifying. If France and Italy share a score draw (1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc), Italy will go through if Romania lose (by any score). In this scenario, Italy, Romania and France will be level on two points each but Italy would have scored more goals in games between the 3 teams. Romania will finish bottom of the group if they lose and France and Italy draw 2-2, 3-3 or 4-4. France will finish bottom if they draw 1-1 unless Romania lose 3-0 or by a four-goal margin. If France and Italy draw 0-0, Romania can lose by one goal, two goals or by a three-goal margin other than 3-0 but still qualify. In this scenario, Italy and Romania would have identical head-to-head records, but Romania would have better goal difference in ALL group matches or, in the case of the three-goal defeats, goals scored. France would finish bottom, having scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania. If Romania lose 3-0 to the Dutch, Italy would qualify with a 0-0 draw against France because of their superior coefficient points. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania. If Romania lose by four goals or more and the other game ends 0-0, Italy would proceed with a better overall goal difference than Romania. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania. If France and Italy draw AND Romania avoid defeat, then Romania go through. France and Italy will have identical records and a unprecedented penalty shoot-out will decide who finishes third and fourth. It was said in the papers this morning that Holland would roll over and lose in order to gain an easier path to winning the competition but isn't that a form of match fixing which would be illegal? Holland 2 - 1 Romania Italy 1 - 0 France
Raj Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Conspiracy Alert. Holland will let Romania beat them Hence this will eliminate BOTH France AND Italy no matter what. SORTED!
potter3 Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 C'mon draw, 0-0 preferably unless Grosso or Nasri scores
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 I just want Romania to win so that they both go home in shame no matter what the score.
potter3 Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 There's so many differant ways this group can finishP GD PTS 1 Netherlands 2 6 6 2 Romania 2 0 2 3 France 2 -3 1 4 Italy 2 -3 1 If France & Italy draw, they have a penalty shoot out to decide who finishes 3rd in the group ( 2nd if Romania get stuffed by the Dutch ). No penalties apparently
DBEightyFive Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 I've had to go for France 2-1 as I need the predictioon league points at work (France are my nation so count as double)
Number 6 Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Think Romania deserve to go through to be honest. Though if I'm picking anyone I'll go Italy. France's manager is an idiot.
isaidno Posted 17 June 2008 Author Posted 17 June 2008 Italy and France will not face a penalty shoot-out on Tuesday no matter what the results are in the final games in Group C, Uefa has confirmed. The European football governing body had suggested a shoot-out could be used to determine which of the two teams finishes bottom of the group. But a Uefa official attempted to clear up the confusion over the matter. "There is no way that France and Italy can go to a penalty shoot-out," a spokesman told BBC Sport. The Netherlands have already secured top spot in the group but the other three teams in the so-called 'Group of Death' are still battling to clinch the other quarter-final berth. A Romania victory would ensure their passage through to the knockout stages and effectively render the France-Italy game meaningless. But on Monday it was claimed that should Romania go through and France and Italy draw then their group positions would be determined by a shoot-out. However, Uefa has clarified that a penalty shoot-out would only be used to determine which team qualifies when two sides finish level on points and cannot be separated by goals scored.
Finnegan Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Only reason people are saying Romania deserve to go through is because they're the underdogs, it's bollocks. They've played just as rubbish football as France and Italy. I really can't say I give a toss who goes through, for the good of the spectacle I suppose I'd like to see France - while that love for the little guy in us all would make Romania a fun progression.
Joe. Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Only reason people are saying Romania deserve to go through is because they're the underdogs, it's bollocks.They've played just as rubbish football as France and Italy. I really can't say I give a toss who goes through, for the good of the spectacle I suppose I'd like to see France - while that love for the little guy in us all would make Romania a fun progression. Very, very true. Agreeing what Finners has just said, Romania have probably played the worst football out of the three. It's only because they aren't one of the conventional "top 5" that people think they deserve to go through. I hope they prove me wrong tonight against Holland by not putting ten men behind the ball like they've done before and actually produce some meaningful attacks. We'll see. I'm always a fan of the underdog so I hope the Romanians go through.
lildave3 Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Why? Because then both Italy and France go out, making it easier for Holland, and making it easier for me to in money.
dandannieldanok Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Can't see why Italy and France not going through will help Holland.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Only reason people are saying Romania deserve to go through is because they're the underdogs, it's bollocks.They've played just as rubbish football as France and Italy. I really can't say I give a toss who goes through, for the good of the spectacle I suppose I'd like to see France - while that love for the little guy in us all would make Romania a fun progression. Exactly. That's exactly why they deserve to go through. They've out thought and out played very, very poor Italian and French team who will hopefully get what they deserve. Can you not admit that it would be refreshing for a country like Romania to reach the latter stages of a tournament?
Asha Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Im confused,Say both games end 0-0 Who goes through Romania.
isaidno Posted 17 June 2008 Author Posted 17 June 2008 Can't see why Italy and France not going through will help Holland. It doesn't really. Holland will play Sweden / Russia next then the winner of Spain vs Italy/France/Romania.
Raj Posted 17 June 2008 Posted 17 June 2008 Because then both Italy and France go out, making it easier for Holland, and making it easier for me to in money. Why?
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