Guest Posted 21 December 2008 Posted 21 December 2008 doesn't this apply to most thefts and burglaries ? how many actually get solved surely ( and yes , i'm guessing here) most crime is commited by people living in houses , probably very big ones too but its a good "daily mail type crusade" against a group of people I don't know what the solved rates are, but I do know that less than 90% of household burglaries reported to the police end up being recorded. Not sure how many of those end up being solved or closed for various reasons. You are kind of right about with the comment about the most crime; motoring offences constitute the largest category of criminal offences committed. Corporate or white collar crime, committed by your people in big houses, costs the most.
Zingari Posted 21 December 2008 Posted 21 December 2008 I don't know what the solved rates are, but I do know that less than 90% of household burglaries reported to the police end up being recorded. Not sure how many of those end up being solved or closed for various reasons.You are kind of right about with the comment about the most crime; motoring offences constitute the largest category of criminal offences committed. Corporate or white collar crime, committed by your people in big houses, costs the most. We are actually quite close to agreeing on something , it must be the christmas spirit or something , I've been the victim of burglary/ house breaking twice whilst i lived in the belgrave area and both were unsolved and i'm not sure if anyone even bothered to try . But i can tell you that on both occassions, items that were stolen included wooden fire surrounds , washing machines and fridge freezers etc . These are hardly likely to have been stolen by travellers and more likely someone who could make use of them ( or be able to sell them without causing a lot of suspicion , I'm sure anyone buying a fire surround from a traveller at the door would be a little suspicious ) So , yes maybe there are rogue elements among travellers but i doubt very much if the percentage is any greater than amongst other groups ( this is just my opinion from experience though) as i've known some very dodgy characters that live in all sorts of housing , including caravans and detached des. rezzes My main point , and it has been so before , is that travellers, gypsies , diddycoys etc , can be singled out for this type of predjudice ( I believe this to be because they affect all communities , not just lower class ) I'm sure that if i were to blame all, or most "unsolved" burglaries on afro caribbeans , there would quite rightly be an immediate backlash .
Guest Posted 21 December 2008 Posted 21 December 2008 We are actually quite close to agreeing on something , it must be the christmas spirit or something , I've been the victim of burglary/ house breaking twice whilst i lived in the belgrave area and both were unsolved and i'm not sure if anyone even bothered to try . But i can tell you that on both occassions, items that were stolen included wooden fire surrounds , washing machines and fridge freezers etc . These are hardly likely to have been stolen by travellers and more likely someone who could make use of them ( or be able to sell them without causing a lot of suspicion , I'm sure anyone buying a fire surround from a traveller at the door would be a little suspicious ) So , yes maybe there are rogue elements among travellers but i doubt very much if the percentage is any greater than amongst other groups ( this is just my opinion from experience though) as i've known some very dodgy characters that live in all sorts of housing , including caravans and detached des. rezzes My main point , and it has been so before , is that travellers, gypsies , diddycoys etc , can be singled out for this type of predjudice ( I believe this to be because they affect all communities , not just lower class ) I'm sure that if i were to blame all, or most "unsolved" burglaries on afro caribbeans , there would quite rightly be an immediate backlash . Hmm, close but no cigar this time! I don't think all thefts are committed by one group of people, it would be ignorant to think that. But to say travellers are the innocent victims of bad publicity is just as inaccurate. I went to primary school in Belgrave, and we had the fairground kids at our school. They were supposed to be there throughout the winter, but they would turn up for a couple of weeks, steal what they could (usually coats and clothing, or things that were easily combustible), then never be seen again. Most were illiterate, and they were rude, aggressive and violent children with no interest in socialising with the rest of us, so I guess my views of them are somewhat tainted. What I am trying to say is, they do themselves no favours. My next criminology essay is a discussion on how theories appear to prejudice the lower social classes, so these kind of discussions will come in really useful!!
Daggers Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 You can always rely on the good old BBC to publish pieces of deep interest to your average FT poster: Traveller site to get cash boostA traveller site in Leicester will have more pitches and better living conditions after receiving nearly £36,000 of government funding. Communities minister Iain Wright said the Meynells Gorse site would be refurbished. Leicester City Council has been awarded the cash as part of the government's Gypsy and Travellers Sites Grant. Those living on the new authorised pitches will pay rent, council tax and all other utility bills. Mr Wright said: "The Gypsy and Traveller Sites grant is crucial to the delivery of both new and better sites to ensure that Gypsies and travellers have authorised, decent places to live. "The problem of unauthorised camping and the tensions it can cause will only be tackled through sufficient provision of well-managed, authorised sites, coupled with effective enforcement action." It is hoped that the funding will help reduce the costs of enforcing against unauthorised sites, which costs local authorities about £18m a year.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Actually, think your ancestors Socceroo
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Actually, think your ancestors Socceroo Was thinking that too, just didnt want to offend....
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Was thinking that too, just didnt want to offend.... I don't mind, jelousy's a curse
Jon the Hat Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 You can always rely on the good old BBC to publish pieces of deep interest to your average FT poster: The council are bang on there. If ever there was a case where narrowing the gap between one group and another would reduce the damage / crime rate this is it. Provide a decent place to live, fence it well, provide amneities including rubbish collection, and the place stays manageable. Much much cheaper than clearing up an unofficial site.
Zingari Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 The council are bang on there. If ever there was a case where narrowing the gap between one group and another would reduce the damage / crime rate this is it. Provide a decent place to live, fence it well, provide amneities including rubbish collection, and the place stays manageable. Much much cheaper than clearing up an unofficial site. good reasoning
Mickey O'Neil Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Socceroo...watch Snatch.....Gypsies are pikeys (Mickey O'Neil/Brad Pitt)
fox123 Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I aint best keen on the Gypos that go around town trying to sell you 'Lucky Charms', then when you don't want it they start waving their arms around saying your cursed forever.
Unit Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 fooking hate them. One tried to rob me this morning for some shit I was posting for eBay, he can't have been older than 10. little shit. Police are shit scared of them and that's what bugs me.
Zingari Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 you shouldn't stereotype gypsies in this way , they could put a curse on you
Daggers Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 The council are bang on there. If ever there was a case where narrowing the gap between one group and another would reduce the damage / crime rate this is it. Provide a decent place to live, fence it well, provide amneities including rubbish collection, and the place stays manageable. Much much cheaper than clearing up an unofficial site. Agreed, but there exists a dichotomy whereby tax-payer's money is used for the benefit of non-tax payers. I am more in favour of supporting travellers to own and manage their own sites - but time and again short-sighted property owners are reluctant to allow such sites to exist.
poynton blue Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Agreed, but there exists a dichotomy whereby tax-payer's money is used for the benefit of non-tax payers.I am more in favour of supporting travellers to own and manage their own sites - but time and again short-sighted property owners are reluctant to allow such sites to exist. I am one of those "short sighted" home owners. When Blaby council put a camp in Countesthope(without asking the local residents) the for sale signs went shooting up in the village,and my house and others dropped 10% of value We pay £100 per month council tax they pay........bugger all no wonder there is resentment
Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Was thinking that too, just didnt want to offend.... I, on the other hand...
Zingari Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 Agreed, but there exists a dichotomy whereby tax-payer's money is used for the benefit of non-tax payers.I am more in favour of supporting travellers to own and manage their own sites - but time and again short-sighted property owners are reluctant to allow such sites to exist. not really Traveller site to get cash boost A traveller site in Leicester will have more pitches and better living conditions after receiving nearly £36,000 of government funding. Communities minister Iain Wright said the Meynells Gorse site would be refurbished. Leicester City Council has been awarded the cash as part of the government's Gypsy and Travellers Sites Grant. Those living on the new authorised pitches will pay rent, council tax and all other utility bills. Mr Wright said: "The Gypsy and Traveller Sites grant is crucial to the delivery of both new and better sites to ensure that Gypsies and travellers have authorised, decent places to live. "The problem of unauthorised camping and the tensions it can cause will only be tackled through sufficient provision of well-managed, authorised sites, coupled with effective enforcement action." It is hoped that the funding will help reduce the costs of enforcing against unauthorised sites, which costs local authorities about £18m a year.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I have been to Meynell Gorse traveller camp a few times (but long time ago, at least 15 years) and found them very much the same as everyday people - some nice and polite, some morons - a lot couldn't read back then, but the site was cleaner than some of the houses I've visited as a postman in the estate across the road. Just for the record, I don't usually deliver in Braunstone, not even my delivery office - thank goodness!
Zingari Posted 22 December 2008 Posted 22 December 2008 I have been to Meynell Gorse traveller camp a few times (but long time ago, at least 15 years) and found them very much the same as everyday people - some nice and polite, some morons - a lot couldn't read back then, but the site was cleaner than some of the houses I've visited as a postman in the estate across the road.Just for the record, I don't usually deliver in Braunstone, not even my delivery office - thank goodness! did they get many letters ?
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