England Bid for World Cup 2018

[Guest]

With the greatest of respect, both you and Ultra are completely missing the point. But lets deal with South Africa and Brazil as you brought them up.

The difference with England is that these countries have already won their bids (though there's many a slip twixt cup and lip). And even if they were in for 2018/22 much less would be expected of them. Whilst England is undoubtedly a much safer country than either South Africa or Brazil it is still in the eyes of many foreign (and ignorant) opinion formers haunted by the spectre of football hooliganism.

Do you honestly think, Chandler, sorry, RC, that when assessing the safety of supporters that the authorities should focus just on the footballing issues? Is this why you haven't been posting for so long? You've joined FIFA's advisory committee?

As for hooliganism being an issue, it is a problem in many countries, including this one, but didn't Euro 96 pass without too many problems?

I do like your conspiracy theory, although it's lacking a bit of the old Micky Adams.

[davieG]

With the greatest of respect, both you and Ultra are completely missing the point. But lets deal with South Africa and Brazil as you brought them up.

The difference with England is that these countries have already won their bids (though there's many a slip twixt cup and lip). And even if they were in for 2018/22 much less would be expected of them. Whilst England is undoubtedly a much safer country than either South Africa or Brazil it is still in the eyes of many foreign (and ignorant) opinion formers haunted by the spectre of football hooliganism.

Now back to the point I was trying to make in an earlier post. It's ALMOST as if the events of the past week have been contrived to damage your bid.

As soon as the West Ham V Millwall Carling Cup draw was made (by the way was the second round draw televised?) the FA, Department of MCS, police etc should have interevened realizing the potential for adverse publicity for the bid. A ban on away supporters would have been a piece of piss. But to demonstrate their singleminded comitment to the cause the authorities should have ordered the game to have been played behind closed doors.

Instead an incomprehensiblly laissez faire approach was adopted despite all the warning bells, whistles and flags. Almost 24,500 (the biggest gate of the round) turned up to witness 'Firm II' (another curiousity, a film detailing Hammers/'Wall 'rivalry' is due out next month - another timely, flattering depiction of your footballing culture for Blather and chums - what the fook are your higher ups playing at?).

In a nutshell the point I am trying to make is that an ideological hegemony is being manufactured against your bid. And it is not being shaped by external agencies.

It is being nurtured from within...

So playing games behind closed doors would send out reassuring signals or would it suggest that not only have we got some football hooliganism like many other countries we're also not capable of managing it? True it did end up looking awful but despite your conspiracy theories it was a still an unknown that it would escalate to the level it did.

[Radovan's Caravan]

Do you honestly think, Chandler, sorry, RC, that when assessing the safety of supporters that the authorities should focus just on the footballing issues? Is this why you haven't been posting for so long? You've joined FIFA's advisory committee?

As for hooliganism being an issue, it is a problem in many countries, including this one, but didn't Euro 96 pass without too many problems?

I do like your conspiracy theory, although it's lacking a bit of the old Micky Adams.

Ms Lisa, we are still at cross purposes. I do not a monkey's give about the safety criteria for supporters attending the World Cup because it is a complete red herring.

Hooliganism is not a real problem for England (or any other country bidding for 2018/22). In fact, you could have a riot every week at an EPL match with minimal damage to any bid - so long as your FA, HMG and media tycoons wanted the WC in England and were prepared to take the necessary defensive action (censorship).

The point is though THAT THEY DON'T. That's why that stupid game went ahead in the way that it did when everyone knew what was going to happen. That's why a dumb ENGLISH movie glorifying ENGLISH football hooliganism has gone hyperoxic on the publicity (its European release during the bidding process is, of course, a complete coincidence ). And that's why within hours of the disturbances a link was made to the bid.

And that link was not made by foreign media - it was made by yours (in that typically English heuristic style - FA and Department of MCS soundbytes denying that the trouble will impact the bid). And this story is still being syndicated in Europe five days later by your media and its European affiliates.

Not even Waterford's (if they were still around) could make their crystal clearer but I will still labour my point for the final time. The West Ham/Millwall debacle was an oh so convenient PRETEXT for YOUR OWN authorities to dis their own 2018/22 bid in the full knowledge that this reaffirmed (and ramped up) in the international imagination the diseased stereotype of English footie fans.

Now if you feel like replying please go right to the top and read everything that I have written again V E R Y S L O W L Y.

PS The difference bewteen UK/USA and the rest of the world is that you think that 'conspiracies' happened in the distant past and only happen now in non Anglo Saxon countries. The rest of us KNOW that on both counts the opposite also applies. Having said that, what is going on here hardly constitutes a conspiracy - it's just a tired and highly predictable diplomatic gambit.

[Guest]

Ms Lisa, we are still at cross purposes. I do not a monkey's give about the safety criteria for supporters attending the World Cup because it is a complete red herring.

Hooliganism is not a real problem for England (or any other country bidding for 2018/22). In fact, you could have a riot every week at an EPL match with minimal damage to any bid - so long as your FA, HMG and media tycoons wanted the WC in England and were prepared to take the necessary defensive action (censorship).

The point is though THAT THEY DON'T. That's why that stupid game went ahead in the way that it did when everyone knew what was going to happen. That's why a dumb ENGLISH movie glorifying ENGLISH football hooliganism has gone hyperoxic on the publicity (its European release during the bidding process is, of course, a complete coincidence ). And that's why within hours of the disturbances a link was made to the bid.

And that link was not made by foreign media - it was made by yours (in that typically English heuristic style - FA and Department of MCS soundbytes denying that the trouble will impact the bid). And this story is still being syndicated in Europe five days later by your media and its European affiliates.

Not even Waterford's (if they were still around) could make their crystal clearer but I will still labour my point for the final time. The West Ham/Millwall debacle was an oh so convenient PRETEXT for YOUR OWN authorities to dis their own 2018/22 bid in the full knowledge that this reaffirmed (and ramped up) in the international imagination the diseased stereotype of English footie fans.

Now if you feel like replying please go right to the top and read everything that I have written again V E R Y S L O W L Y.

PS The difference bewteen UK/USA and the rest of the world is that you think that 'conspiracies' happened in the distant past and only happen now in non Anglo Saxon countries. The rest of us KNOW that on both counts the opposite also applies. Having said that, what is going on here hardly constitutes a conspiracy - it's just a tired and highly predictable diplomatic gambit.

Ha ha ha, Chandler is back.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

And South Africa is the safest place on the planet.

Australia is a safe place

[Babylon]

Ha ha ha, Chandler is back.

Don't mention Madeline what ever you do... doh.

[cecchini]

Hmm,

Not sure you really understand the mentality here Rad.

I assume you are not British from some of the language in your message. - I might be wrong if so, sorry.

Its unlikely that the West Ham thing "was allowed to happen" its typical of bad planning and thoughtlessness of the local plod. They all knew it could happen, but they didn't do anything about it, not only that, the press/Tv had a field day.

Situation normal

I'm not British, lived there most of my life, have travelled extensively and circulate in a political environment.

My reading is very different, I don't believe that the necessary political savvy existed here (in this particular situation), the powers that be are far more subtle than you give them credit for, and would find other means to make a situation go away - far more quietly than this.

In my experience UK politics are just as dodgy as anywhere else - they are far better at hiding it that most, and have never been in control of the press - not in the same way some southern Med and eastern states are.

[cecchini]

With the greatest of respect, both you and Ultra are completely missing the point. But lets deal with South Africa and Brazil as you brought them up.

The difference with England is that these countries have already won their bids (though there's many a slip twixt cup and lip). And even if they were in for 2018/22 much less would be expected of them. Whilst England is undoubtedly a much safer country than either South Africa or Brazil it is still in the eyes of many foreign (and ignorant) opinion formers haunted by the spectre of football hooliganism.

Now back to the point I was trying to make in an earlier post. It's ALMOST as if the events of the past week have been contrived to damage your bid.

As soon as the West Ham V Millwall Carling Cup draw was made (by the way was the second round draw televised?) the FA, Department of MCS, police etc should have interevened realizing the potential for adverse publicity for the bid. A ban on away supporters would have been a piece of piss. But to demonstrate their singleminded comitment to the cause the authorities should have ordered the game to have been played behind closed doors.

Instead an incomprehensiblly laissez faire approach was adopted despite all the warning bells, whistles and flags. Almost 24,500 (the biggest gate of the round) turned up to witness 'Firm II' (another curiousity, a film detailing Hammers/'Wall 'rivalry' is due out next month - another timely, flattering depiction of your footballing culture for Blather and chums - what the fook are your higher ups playing at?).

In a nutshell the point I am trying to make is that an ideological hegemony is being manufactured against your bid. And it is not being shaped by external agencies.

It is being nurtured from within...

By the way,

starting a conversation with "with the greatest of respect" means you have none whatsoever!

[Radovan's Caravan]

Hmm,

Not sure you really understand the mentality here Rad.

I assume you are not British from some of the language in your message. - I might be wrong if so, sorry.

Its unlikely that the West Ham thing "was allowed to happen" its typical of bad planning and thoughtlessness of the local plod. They all knew it could happen, but they didn't do anything about it, not only that, the press/Tv had a field day.

Situation normal

I'm not British, lived there most of my life, have travelled extensively and circulate in a political environment.

My reading is very different, I don't believe that the necessary political savvy existed here (in this particular situation), the powers that be are far more subtle than you give them credit for, and would find other means to make a situation go away - far more quietly than this.

In my experience UK politics are just as dodgy as anywhere else - they are far better at hiding it that most, and have never been in control of the press - not in the same way some southern Med and eastern states are.

There is no such thing as a 'free' press. At the same time there are no newspapers 'controlled' by governments anywhere on the continent. Reduction ad absurdum? No. Governments (ie mandarins, spooks and grandees) like media are both directly or indirectly 'controlled' by cartels, oligarchs and mobsters.

Britain at least has the doubtful advantage of being ruled over by its own crooks (whose tunes all other governments are forced to dance to ).

[Jackirius]

Australia is a safe place

Australia play football?

[ACF]

Australia play football?

Soccer

[Ultra]

World Cup shop opens for business

LEICESTER’S bid to host World Cup matches in 2018 will get a boost this week as the campaign gets a high profile presence in the city centre.

From today (September 1), shoppers visiting Highcross Leicester will be able to pop in to the ‘Back The Bid’ store to vote online for the city’s bid, pick up information about the campaign, buy World Cup merchandise or even have a kick-about on a five-a-side pitch.

Leicester City legend Steve Walsh will officially open the store tomorrow (Wednesday, September 2) at 10am – and he’s happy to give his backing to the campaign.

“It would be fantastic if the World Cup came to Leicester,” he said.

“Leicester is in the centre of the country, and you only have to look at the passion for sport in the city to know how much it would make sense to have World Cup games here.”

The shop unit has been made available free of charge by Highcross Centre Management to show their support for Leicester’s World Cup bid.

Highcross Brand Experience Manager, Michael Holland, said: “Leicester has undergone a massive transformation over the last 12 months and welcoming football fans from around the world to enjoy the great offering that recent developments like Highcross and Curve have brought the city, would be fantastic.

“The city is well known for its sporting heritage and I hope that as many people as possible can show their support for this bid to bring one of the greatest shows on earth to Leicester.”

Inside the store, shoppers will find two computer terminals, where they’ll be able to show their support for Leicester’s bid on the England 2018 website. They’ll also be able to choose from a selection of ‘Back The Bid’ branded items, such as footballs and key-rings, and pick up information that will update them on the progress of Leicester’s bid.

Cllr Patrick Kitterick, Leicester City Council’s cabinet lead for regeneration and transport, said: “It’s fantastic that Highcross have given us this high profile location so that we can tell even more people about our bid.

“Over the next few weeks, we want to make this shop the focus of our campaign. We’ll be inviting famous people to pop in to back the bid, and we’ll be organising football coaching on our very own five-a-side pitch.

“If you’re visiting Highcross, call in to see us and give your support to Leicester’s World Cup bid.”

The Back The Bid store is located on the Lower Mall of Highcross in the unit formerly occupied by Adams.

The store – which has been furnished by John Lewis – will be open each day in line with normal Highcross opening hours until 20th September.

For more information about Leicester’s bid, visit www.backleicestersbid.com

The site is linked to the official England 2018 Bid website, where people can show their support by selecting Leicester as their preferred host city.

[billyfox1]

http://www.england2018bid.com/news/78/plym...ost-city-status

Why should Plymouth be allowed in now? Didn't all the the other cities have a deadline for their proposals?

[Radovan's Caravan]

http://www.england2018bid.com/news/78/plym...ost-city-status

Why should Plymouth be allowed in now? Didn't all the the other cities have a deadline for their proposals?

You fascist! I am going to report you to the UN Committee on Human Rights! You know damn well that every English city and country councillor is entitled to at least 50 junkets and 25 beano's per annum.

PS Love your 'World Cup' shop er 'supporting the bid.' Rent and rates free by any chance? Stocked with goods made in local sweat shops 'employing' illegal immigrants working for less that one euro an hour no doubt.

Neat little earner for a year or so...

[CosbehFox]

We are pleasing the right people and greasing the right palms esp. if we get the friendly against Brazil in Dubai, November time will please a lot of people in the AFC.

[purpleronnie]

Australia is a safe place

Sure it is.

I think the Aussies will get it anyway.

[ACF]

Australia is a safe place

You tell that to the Indians.

[Webbo]

With SA getting it in 2010 and Brazil in 2014 it will go to a European country in 2018. It's probably between us and Russia.

[davieG]

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/nottingham-fo...led-943427.html

Nottingham Forest have revealed plans to build a new 45,000 capacity stadium to help boost their bid to host future World Cup games.

England are attempting to host the tournament for the first time since 1966 in either 2018 or 2022 and Forest have expressed a desire to become a host venue. As a result they are planning to build a Fifa compliant stadium to enhance their chances.

Forest officials met with members of the Football Association on Monday to discuss plans for the new stadium, which is set to be based in the Gamston area of Nottingham and just a mile away from the City Ground.

Forest's chief executive Mark Arthur said in an official statement: "Nottingham's bid to be a host city has made tremendous progress over the last few months with the contribution of the club, local authorities and other partners.

"We have been working tirelessly together with its partners at Rushcliffe Borough Council, Nottingham City Council and Nottinghamshire County Council to refine the prospective World Cup stadium proposals in advance of the latest round of FA World Cup inspections to potential host cities.

"After exhaustive studies of the existing City Ground and how redevelopment of both temporary and permanent new facilities could take place on such a restricted site, the bid team have concluded, with the FA, that it is impossible to transform the ground into a fully compliant Fifa stadium fit to host World Cup matches.

"Therefore, the club have sought to further evolve their plans for a 'new build' Fifa compliant stadium.

"The 'new stadium' concept represents the very opportunity to meet Fifa requirements, provide a magnificent legacy for Rushcliffe and Greater Nottingham, but at the same time recognising the sensitivities and concerns of local communities."

[BlueSi13]

Nottingham finally have it in the bag now

[C-man]

Nottingham finally have it in the bag now

I wouldn't be so sure. On East Midlands Today, Nottinghamshire County Council attacked the plans and pretty much said they were 100% against the new stadium.

[simes240170]

I wouldn't be so sure. On East Midlands Today, Nottinghamshire County Council attacked the plans and pretty much said they were 100% against the new stadium.

Besides that if i am not mistaken they already have 3 league grounds in Nottinghamshire and they are all a bag of Shite!!!

[The Doctor]

Besides that if i am not mistaken they already have 3 league grounds in Nottinghamshire and they are all a bag of Shite!!!

and there is no need for forest to have a bigger stadium when the struggle to fill their current one. waste of tax payers money and the council/Government?whoever should notice this.

[simes240170]

and there is no need for forest to have a bigger stadium when the struggle to fill their current one. waste of tax payers money and the council/Government?whoever should notice this.

Aye there is that aswell.Just a thought!If the combined average attendance of County, Mansfield and F*&^%t were added together wouldn't they still struggle to fill it?

[BlueSi13]

Aye there is that aswell.Just a thought!If the combined average attendance of County, Mansfield and F*&^%t were added together wouldn't they still struggle to fill it?

Yes but in order to compete with the new stadium, we'd have to make our stadium have a similar capacity and would we fill that either?

P.S we'd also have to spend hundreds of millions simply to make the city look as good as Nottingham