FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Thracian]

Don't be fooled! He's just posted the same thing twice! You still don't agree with either of them!

Perhaps someone, somewhere wanted some emphasis!

[Webbo]

Im getting deja vu here. Im sure you and Thracian were the ones that said slave labour in Africa was over hyped and blown out of proportion.

Opps did I just open a can of worms

Sorry, I don't see any connection.

[Edmund]

Sorry, I don't see any connection.

[Thracian]

That wasn't my interpretation. I understood it as why import bus drivers from Poland when there lots of people on the dole here?

I can't see any economic benefit from letting people who are capable of working rot on the dole. If we couldn't import workers from abroad then the govt would be forced to do something about the long term unemployed.

Exactly. I've no idea where Daggers got that one from. I never went for an interview partly for the obvious reason given.

[Edmund]

I understood it as why import bus drivers from Poland when there lots of people on the dole here?

Ive never seen a Polish bus driver for one and I use to use the bus everyday.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

PS: Why would people not drive the buses? The wages are perfectly reasonable. There is nothing "demeaning" about providing the service of driving a bus. Have you ever even explored the reasons why potential English drivers didn't want to drive a bus?

When my two businesses plunged during the period of my wife's illness I'd have loved to drive a bus.

But I couldn't. I wouldn't have passed the eyesight test. Ironic that seeing as I had my own full-sized 56-seater motor coach which I was perfectly entitled to drive so long as I didn't carry paying passengers. What other reasons might there have been?

A percentage of the unemployed might not have had a driving licence for a start and, rather than train them, they preferred to get people in from Poland. That would have left the non-drivers on the dole queue and the Poles having to be taught the routes and the English road signs. And that's just one reason. Native English people (mostly) have two arms, two legs and a head the same as everyone else. They are as well capable of driving a bus as anyone else. Why we need to import people to drive buses I don't know. But I'm damned sure I could find out if I took the trouble.

From the horses mouth - difficult to recruit bus drivers

First group employee welcome Polish Drivers

A couple of links for you. And I can think of quite a few reason's why bus driving is not glamerous - you wouldn't be driving Bertie from the Thomas series

• Shift rotation - including long and early/late working hours
  Relatively low wage
  Passaneger hassle / threat on your own safety
  Road rage / stress on the job
  Job asteem
  

Forgot to add to the list that the majority of people in Bristol can't drive for toffee - so god knows what they'd do with buses!

[Daggers]

That wasn't my interpretation. I understood it as why import bus drivers from Poland when there lots of people on the dole here?

I can't see any economic benefit from letting people who are capable of working rot on the dole. If we couldn't import workers from abroad then the govt would be forced to do something about the long term unemployed.

So - you and Tony believe in free markets until the moment you feel compelled to engineer a false one by telling employers they can only recruit from the home market? Makes you sound like a socialist.

My solution to unemployment?

Cancel all Tax Credits and dismantle the inefficient (Gordon Brown) network.

Cut all unemployment benefits after 12 months, reducing to zero by 24 months.

Pay benefits in the form of tokens which can only be used in exchange for clothing, food and utility bills - and not cover alcohol or cigarettes.

Makes me sound like a Tory.

[Webbo]

Ive never seen a Polish bus driver for one and I use to use the bus everyday.

From the horses mouth - difficult to recruit bus drivers

First group employee welcome Polish Drivers

A couple of links for you. And I can think of quite a few reason's why bus driving is not glamerous - you wouldn't be driving Bertie from the Thomas series

• Shift rotation - including long and early/late working hours
  Relatively low wage
  Passaneger hassle / threat on your own safety
  Road rage / stress on the job
  Job asteem
  

There are lots of crap jobs out there. How much asteem(sic) is there in being on the dole?Or are you saying that bus driving is beneath Englishmen and only fit for a Pole?

[Zingari]

Ive never seen a Polish bus driver for one and I use to use the bus everyday.

unless they are forced to continually sing a Zywiec , how would you know ?

[Edmund]

There are lots of crap jobs out there. How much asteem(sic) is there in being on the dole?Or are you saying that bus driving is beneath Englishmen and only fit for a Pole?

Still doesn't answer my question. Where are all these "Polish Bus Drivers".

Poland?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

So - you and Tony believe in free markets until the moment you feel compelled to engineer a false one by telling employers they can only recruit from the home market? Makes you sound like a socialist.

My solution to unemployment?

Cancel all Tax Credits and dismantle the inefficient (Gordon Brown) network.

Cut all unemployment benefits after 12 months, reducing to zero by 24 months.

Pay benefits in the form of tokens which can only be used in exchange for clothing, food and utility bills - and not cover alcohol or cigarettes.

Makes me sound like a Tory.

The main change I would make to this is that unemployment benefits would need to be earned somehow - volenteer work or partaking in some form of training to better that persons skills. But i have to be honest, i'm not too sure what the situation is with if today and whether that is the case.

JSA @ £64.30 a week for the over 25+ isn't great though is it!

[Edmund]

unless they are forced to continually sing a Zywiec , how would you know ?

Well when your purchasing a week ticket and he asks you for what zone, you usually have to speak to the bus driver which is usually a good indication of knowing what nationality someone is.

Speaking is done by opening your mouth and .............

[DJ Barry Hammond]

There are lots of crap jobs out there. How much asteem(sic) is there in being on the dole?Or are you saying that bus driving is beneath Englishmen and only fit for a Pole?

I'm saying that the unemployed then (which would of been what 1.5 million i think - compared to 3 million now?) didn't want the jobs being offered for whatever reason.

First bus couldn't recruit drivers, so ended up looking elsewhere - a pure example of positive immegration.

[Zingari]

Well when your purchasing a week ticket and he asks you for what zone, you usually have to speak to the bus driver which is usually a good indication of knowing what nationality someone is.

Speaking is done by opening your mouth and .............

so you only speak to one bus driver a week and then make the huge assumption....................

ps i am only joking

[Thracian]

Sorry, I don't see any connection.

Me neither. Nor do I accept the comment. I do remember saying that blacks were as deeply involved as their customers in harvesting their countrymen from the heartlands and selling them on as slaves. And I did say that the practice of selling slaves was once widespread across the world and not just common to one ethnic group.

Even now I'd be happy for someone to turn up details of the sex-slave market in the UK and the ethnic identity of all the principles. I don't defend anyone making slaves of people but I do object to political and social opportunists feeding gullible minds with such one-sided tripe which was often taken out of all concept.

It is hard enough even to even define slavery in practice. Were those people engaged in domestic work for the landed gentry free people or slaves?

Oh yes, they could walk out of their pitifully paid employment. But to what? They worked long hours, six days a week and were expected to go to church on Sunday. If they didn't work they starved and, particularly in rural locations, there was no alternative.

Some were treated better than others just like the African slaves who went to America. There was no justifying such treatment of people but then there was no justifying the treatment of soldiers, sailors and so many others who sufered greatly according to the ways of the days.

Hell, starving people even got hung for stealing chickens. You didn't have to be a slave to be badly treated. By anyone. Not just white men. And what's changed today? Children being blown to bits by religious fanatics in Pakistan, Africans being hacked to death by fellow Africans. The ethnic slaughter of the Tamil rebels and the wondrous rule of Robert Mugabe to mention but a few examples.

White men have done their wrongs. But they won't carry a heavier mantle of shame than anyone else towards Judgement Day.

[Edmund]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...not-enough.html

This bloody racist government. First they were giving darkies benefits now fat people.

Family who are 'too fat to work' say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough

A family of four with a combined weight of 83 stone say they are "too fat to work" and need more than the £22,000 they currently receive in benefits.

Philip Chawner, 53, and his 57-year-old wife Audrey weigh 24st. Their daughter Emma, 19, weighs 17st, while her older sister Samantha, 21, weighs 18st.

The family from Blackburn claim £22,508 a year in benefits, equivalent to the take-home pay from a £30,000 salary.

The Chawners, haven't worked in 11 years, claim their weight is a hereditary condition and the money they receive is insufficient to live on.

Mr Chawner said: "What we get barely covers the bills and puts food on the table. It's not our fault we can't work. We deserve more."

The family claim to spend £50 a week on food and consume 3,000 calories each a day. The recommended maximum intake is 2,000 for women and 2,500 for men.

"We have cereal for breakfast, bacon butties for lunch and microwave pies with mashed potato or chips for dinner," Mrs Chawner told Closer magazine.

"All that healthy food, like fruit and veg, is too expensive. We're fat because it's in our genes. Our whole family is overweight," she added.

Each week, Mr and Mrs Chawner, who have been married for 23 years, receive £177 in income support and incapacity benefit. Mrs Chawner is paid an extra £330-a-month disability allowance for epilepsy and

asthma, both a result of being overweight.

Mr Chawner gets £71 a month after developing Type 2 diabetes because of his size. He was on a waiting list for a gastric band last year, but a heart condition made the operation unsuitable. Their daughter

Samantha receives £84 in Jobseekers' Allowance each fortnight while Emma, who is training to be a hairdresser, gets £58 every two weeks under a hardship fund for low-income students.

Emma, said: "I'm a student and don't have time to exercise" she said "We all want to lose weight to stop the abuse we get in the street, but we don't know how."

[Thracian]

I'm saying that the unemployed then (which would of been what 1.5 million i think - compared to 3 million now?) didn't want the jobs being offered for whatever reason.

It's funny what you say there. That unemployment has doubled. I don't question your figures but Lise seems to imply that so many more people nowadays have no intention of getting a job! Strange that. Why the sudden and dramatic change, if there's been one!

[Zingari]

the benefits of Polish bus drivers

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/51530/...-caused-carnage

[Webbo]

So - you and Tony believe in free markets until the moment you feel compelled to engineer a false one by telling employers they can only recruit from the home market? Makes you sound like a socialist.

I am a Tory but I'm also working class (not that that's anything to be proud/ashamed of). It jus pisses me off to see so many people wasting their lives on the dole. It's irevelant now because jobs are drying up but we've just had a 10/15 year boom and there are people who have been on benefits for the duration of that.

My solution to unemployment?

Cancel all Tax Credits and dismantle the inefficient (Gordon Brown) network.

Cut all unemployment benefits after 12 months, reducing to zero by 24 months.

Pay benefits in the form of tokens which can only be used in exchange for clothing, food and utility bills - and not cover alcohol or cigarettes.

The last line is a little harsh but I'd go along with the rest of that.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Me neither. Nor do I accept the comment. I do remember saying that blacks were as deeply involved as their customers in harvesting their countrymen from the heartlands and selling them on as slaves. And I did say that the practice of selling slaves was once widespread across the world and not just common to one ethnic group.

Even now I'd be happy for someone to turn up details of the sex-slave market in the UK and the ethnic identity of all the principles. I don't defend anyone making slaves of people but I do object to political and social opportunists feeding gullible minds with such one-sided tripe which was often taken out of all concept.

It is hard enough even to even define slavery in practice. Were those people engaged in domestic work for the landed gentry free people or slaves?

Oh yes, they could walk out of their pitifully paid employment. But to what? They worked long hours, six days a week and were expected to go to church on Sunday. If they didn't work they starved and, particularly in rural locations, there was no alternative.

Some were treated better than others just like the African slaves who went to America. There was no justifying such treatment of people but then there was no justifying the treatment of soldiers, sailors and so many others who sufered greatly according to the ways of the days.

Hell, starving people even got hung for stealing chickens. You didn't have to be a slave to be badly treated. By anyone. Not just white men. And what's changed today? Children being blown to bits by religious fanatics in Pakistan, Africans being hacked to death by fellow Africans. The ethnic slaughter of the Tamil rebels and the wondrous rule of Robert Mugabe to mention but a few examples.

White men have done their wrongs. But they won't carry a heavier mantle of shame than anyone else towards Judgement Day.

And this makes a vote for the BNP a good thing how?

[Daggers]

Exactly. I've no idea where Daggers got that one from. I never went for an interview partly for the obvious reason given.

Your insinuation is quite clear.

It's the same one you trot out in every post where you aren't getting angry at news on the Yahoo! website.

[Edmund]

Me neither. Nor do I accept the comment. I do remember saying that blacks were as deeply involved as their customers in harvesting their countrymen from the heartlands and selling them on as slaves. And I did say that the practice of selling slaves was once widespread across the world and not just common to one ethnic group.

Even now I'd be happy for someone to turn up details of the sex-slave market in the UK and the ethnic identity of all the principles. I don't defend anyone making slaves of people but I do object to political and social opportunists feeding gullible minds with such one-sided tripe which was often taken out of all concept.

It is hard enough even to even define slavery in practice. Were those people engaged in domestic work for the landed gentry free people or slaves?

Oh yes, they could walk out of their pitifully paid employment. But to what? They worked long hours, six days a week and were expected to go to church on Sunday. If they didn't work they starved and, particularly in rural locations, there was no alternative.

Some were treated better than others just like the African slaves who went to America. There was no justifying such treatment of people but then there was no justifying the treatment of soldiers, sailors and so many others who sufered greatly according to the ways of the days.

Hell, starving people even got hung for stealing chickens. You didn't have to be a slave to be badly treated. By anyone. Not just white men. And what's changed today? Children being blown to bits by religious fanatics in Pakistan, Africans being hacked to death by fellow Africans. The ethnic slaughter of the Tamil rebels and the wondrous rule of Robert Mugabe to mention but a few examples.

White men have done their wrongs. But they won't carry a heavier mantle of shame than anyone else towards Judgement Day.

To be honest I can't remember the ins and outs of the debate. I was just merely suggesting that webbo was brown nosing you but it was a joke.

I didn't want the thread to go down this route because it is completely off topic.

I know your not a racist and just hold strong views which your entitled to.

[Bryn]

I was walking around North Manchester (Prestwich, Middleton and Simister in particular) to the Oasis gig last night and I was shocked. It was literally like I'd fallen into that film. Skinheads everywhere.

Manchester has one of the places where immigration makes me sad... not because of the immigrants but because it seems so segregated. I live in Fallowfield, the student centre, which is just south of Rusholme, where the famous Curry Mile is. North of that is the university and then north of that would be the city centre. If you walk around Fallowfield, it's fairly white. Go into Rusholme, and I mean literally cross the road onto Curry Mile, and it's incredibly ethnic. Really is like walking into another country. Get to the top end of Curry Mile, cross the road towards Whitworth Park, and it's really white again. It's sad to me, I don't think it should be so divided like that, but I wouldn't have a friggin clue how to integrate them better.

Not really relevant to the discussion, just thought it was interesting.

[Zingari]

Still doesn't answer my question. Where are all these "Polish Bus Drivers".

Poland?

in case you missed it , here they are

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/51530/...-caused-carnage

[Webbo]

To be honest I can't remember the ins and outs of the debate. I was just merely suggesting that webbo was brown nosing you but it was a joke.

I'm glad you explained that because I hadn't a clue what you were on about.

Thanks for the input.