FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Daggers]

I am a Tory but I'm also working class (not that that's anything to be proud/ashamed of). It jus pisses me off to see so many people wasting their lives on the dole. It's irevelant now because jobs are drying up but we've just had a 10/15 year boom and there are people who have been on benefits for the duration of that.

The last line is a little harsh but I'd go along with the rest of that.

It pisses me off to see so many people wasting my money when I could do that for myself.

Unemployment is too easy, it becomes an option which is worth taking rather than working - all of our local pubs and bookies are full during the week of long term unemployed, smoking and drinking. It's a cycle which needs breaking.

All the children of the long-term unemployed don't see the benefits paid to their parents. They don't have decent clothes, they don't eat decent food - they live in rags and dine on fast food. What is the point in firing extra benefits at these people when the money is simply thrown away?

It should provide the bare minimum, nothing more, in a form that can not be misused - while money is then provided for interview training, clothing and travel - alongside investment in a proper apprenticeship program, technical training and retraining schemes.

[Edmund]

Manchester has one of the places where immigration makes me sad... not because of the immigrants but because it seems so segregated. I live in Fallowfield, the student centre, which is just south of Rusholme, where the famous Curry Mile is. North of that is the university and then north of that would be the city centre. If you walk around Fallowfield, it's fairly white. Go into Rusholme, and I mean literally cross the road onto Curry Mile, and it's incredibly ethnic. Really is like walking into another country. Get to the top end of Curry Mile, cross the road towards Whitworth Park, and it's really white again. It's sad to me, I don't think it should be so divided like that, but I wouldn't have a friggin clue how to integrate them better.

Not really relevant to the discussion, just thought it was interesting.

To be fair Leicester is no better. Have you ever been to melton Road?

I still don't stand by all this Leicester multi cultural bullshit, experiencing it first hand.

[Daggers]

Of course, Birmingham (being a pioneering centre) is looking at ways of eliminating both Polish drivers and the long-term unemployed

[Bryn]

To be fair Leicester is no better. Have you ever been to melton Road?

I still don't stand by all this Leicester multi cultural bullshit, experiencing it first hand.

Is Melton Road that place with a lot of Asian shops? The Golden mile or something like? If so then yeah, I know where you mean. Again quite weird, I think it's partly those little mini-countries that make those more disposed to a bit of xenophobia kick off. They always seem to "accept" those that are in close proximity to them and their friends more.

[Edmund]

in case you missed it , here they are

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/51530/...-caused-carnage

No I saw it, but one article still doesn't convince me that we are being overun by Polish drivers.

Thanks for the input.

Anytime sweetie.

[Zingari]

No I saw it, but one article still doesn't convince me that we are being overun by Polish drivers.

bad choice of words

Anytime sweetie.

[Edmund]

Is Melton Road that place with a lot of Asian shops? The Golden mile or something like? If so then yeah, I know where you mean. Again quite weird, I think it's partly those little mini-countries that make those more disposed to a bit of xenophobia kick off. They always seem to "accept" those that are in close proximity to them and their friends more.

Yeah I wouldn't say its negative segregation it's just local people sticking with here own which you can't blame. Go to Costa Da Sol and see how the British hardly integrate and stick together.

What I don't get is all these articles saying we how multicultural we are which I don't think is true at all. Yes there are many cultures but only a handful mix together.

All it does is cause fuel for your thracians who think they are invading the country and taking our jobs etc.

[Fez of Mahrez]

To be fair Leicester is no better. Have you ever been to melton Road?

I still don't stand by all this Leicester multi cultural bullshit, experiencing it first hand.

It's obvious that communities are going to set up in one place or another.

I lived in Evington for three years though and that seemed very multicultural to me, with no problems that I saw. That's not to say there are never problems, but I don't see Leicester in the same way that Burnham described an area of Manchester.

I don't think it's "bullshit" at all.

[Edmund]

It's obvious that communities are going to set up in one place or another.

I lived in Evington for three years though and that seemed very multicultural to me, with no problems that I saw. That's not to say there are never problems, but I don't see Leicester in the same way that Burnham described an area of Manchester.

I don't think it's "bullshit" at all.

Read my post above

[Webbo]

Is Melton Road that place with a lot of Asian shops? The Golden mile or something like? If so then yeah, I know where you mean. Again quite weird, I think it's partly those little mini-countries that make those more disposed to a bit of xenophobia kick off. They always seem to "accept" those that are in close proximity to them and their friends more.

I was born in that area and I lived most of my life in Rushey Mead, both predominately asian areas. When I was at school in the 70s the white and Asian kids would hang out together in class but never in the playground or after school . It was an unwritten rule and both sides wanted it that way.

I don't think that's the case now. I have nephews in their 20s who have asians friends and girlfriends. It doesn't seem such a big deal nowadays.

[Thracian]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...not-enough.html

This bloody racist government. First they were giving darkies benefits now fat people.

Family who are 'too fat to work' say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough

A family of four with a combined weight of 83 stone say they are "too fat to work" and need more than the £22,000 they currently receive in benefits.

Philip Chawner, 53, and his 57-year-old wife Audrey weigh 24st. Their daughter Emma, 19, weighs 17st, while her older sister Samantha, 21, weighs 18st.

The family from Blackburn claim £22,508 a year in benefits, equivalent to the take-home pay from a £30,000 salary.

The Chawners, haven't worked in 11 years, claim their weight is a hereditary condition and the money they receive is insufficient to live on.

Mr Chawner said: "What we get barely covers the bills and puts food on the table. It's not our fault we can't work. We deserve more."

The family claim to spend £50 a week on food and consume 3,000 calories each a day. The recommended maximum intake is 2,000 for women and 2,500 for men.

"We have cereal for breakfast, bacon butties for lunch and microwave pies with mashed potato or chips for dinner," Mrs Chawner told Closer magazine.

"All that healthy food, like fruit and veg, is too expensive. We're fat because it's in our genes. Our whole family is overweight," she added.

Each week, Mr and Mrs Chawner, who have been married for 23 years, receive £177 in income support and incapacity benefit. Mrs Chawner is paid an extra £330-a-month disability allowance for epilepsy and

asthma, both a result of being overweight.

Mr Chawner gets £71 a month after developing Type 2 diabetes because of his size. He was on a waiting list for a gastric band last year, but a heart condition made the operation unsuitable. Their daughter

Samantha receives £84 in Jobseekers' Allowance each fortnight while Emma, who is training to be a hairdresser, gets £58 every two weeks under a hardship fund for low-income students.

Emma, said: "I'm a student and don't have time to exercise" she said "We all want to lose weight to stop the abuse we get in the street, but we don't know how."

I'll be interested to hear what Lise has to say about the benefits paid. And about whether something should be done about getting at least some of them gainful employment - so stopping the handouts - or whether the jobs they could theoretically hold should be offered to immigrants which would leave the four fatties remaining as on ongoing problem to all taxpayers?

Not forgetting that, presumably, the four fatties already live in a house and that their immigrant replacements would need one, thus leaving one less for the currently resident families who are themselves homeless.

Our country will always have passengers to carry and I'm all for helping people as and while they genuinely need it.

From reading the above these people all seem to need help, direction and opportunity but they must also show willing to help themselves.

Our nation has no obligation to offer a seat to those who don't need to sit, yet our benefits culture only serves to encourages that.

[Shrenchel]

Swear I pulled that blonde one in Mission once.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I'll be interested to hear what Lise has to say about the benefits paid. And about whether something should be done about getting at least some of them gainful employment - so stopping the handouts - or whether the jobs they could theoretically hold should be offered to immigrants which would leave the four fatties remaining as on ongoing problem to all taxpayers?

Not forgetting that, presumably, the four fatties already live in a house and that their immigrant replacements would need one, thus leaving one less for the currently resident families who are themselves homeless.

Our country will always have passengers to carry and I'm all for helping people as and while they genuinely need it.

From reading the above these people all seem to need help, direction and opportunity but they must also show willing to help themselves.

Our nation has no obligation to offer a seat to those who don't need to sit, yet our benefits culture only serves to encourages that.

It's quite apparent they don't want to and are in no fit state to work.

To help them back into employment they would require masses of resource from the NHS, training, etc, etc, etc, etc, so the tax payer would be burrdened in that way - as opposed to an immigrant worker working 'their job's' and paying taxes, to assist them in doing not a lot for society.

Purhapse rather than deporting immigrants we should look at deporting these types of free loaders!

[Finnegan]

I'll be interested to hear what Lise has to say about the benefits paid. And about whether something should be done about getting at least some of them gainful employment - so stopping the handouts - or whether the jobs they could theoretically hold should be offered to immigrants which would leave the four fatties remaining as on ongoing problem to all taxpayers?

Not forgetting that, presumably, the four fatties already live in a house and that their immigrant replacements would need one, thus leaving one less for the currently resident families who are themselves homeless.

Our country will always have passengers to carry and I'm all for helping people as and while they genuinely need it.

From reading the above these people all seem to need help, direction and opportunity but they must also show willing to help themselves.

Our nation has no obligation to offer a seat to those who don't need to sit, yet our benefits culture only serves to encourages that.

Nobody "offers" jobs. You go and fucking look for them.

I really, really, really, REALLY hate all of the pressure on weight in this country. It's my one real bugbear because it's totally unnecessary and it breeds serious psychological issues.

But at the same time, stories like this don't help. As if that bloke's too fat to work! He might have health problems but you don't have to be able to run the 100m to be able to hold a job, there has to be things he could do. Jesus.

[Thracian]

in case you missed it , here they are

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/51530/...-caused-carnage

Make you wonder how many jobs are secured on the basis of false documantation because I had a golfing acquaintance who used to get paid for doing accountancy papers for foreign students, and mentioned it on here a couple of years back.

It also makes you wonder why those documents weren't properly checked and who was overlooked while they were given jobs. Perhaps that's where the natives are going wrong and we should really be teaching master forgery in schools.

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[Thracian]

Nobody "offers" jobs. You go and fucking look for them.

I really, really, really, REALLY hate all of the pressure on weight in this country. It's my one real bugbear because it's totally unnecessary and it breeds serious psychological issues.

But at the same time, stories like this don't help. As if that bloke's too fat to work! He might have health problems but you don't have to be able to run the 100m to be able to hold a job, there has to be things he could do. Jesus.

Let 's put it this way. I've seen plenty of people working who are far fatter than any of them. And making no big deal about it.

[Zingari]

DFS are always looking for furniture testers

[Edmund]

I've seen plenty of people working who are far fatter than any of them.

This.

[Thracian]

Purhapse rather than deporting immigrants we should look at deporting these types of free loaders!

Interesting idea were there anyone else on Earth likely to take them but there's not.

It may be a pity in some cases but by and large a country is saddled with those who are born here.

I'm not sure that, as mentioned elsewhere, there is any reason it would cost a fortune to re-direct their lives and only wonder why it doesn't seem to have been done already, at least not with any visible success.

They don't strike me as unemployable. Or untrainable. Or unable to do a whole host of things.

[Thracian]

All it does is cause fuel for your thracians who think they are invading the country and taking our jobs etc.

They are. What else were the Poles doing in getting their jobs as bus drivers with false papers? Whether you are prepared to admit it or not the evidence is there for all to see and in most of the major cities and towns of the land.

But that's not to say I blame them one bit. The situation exists which, by one means or another, allows it to happen. You cannot blame anyone for taking advantage.

[Thracian]

DFS are always looking for furniture testers

Risky!

[Guest]

a) You tell me. The best they can get I'd imagine. But I'd have to canvas some to find out for sure. As for migrant workers my son employs a good few in his accountancy, I see a good few driving buses, there is a massive campaign for immigrants to become teachers...what "sort" of jobs do you categorise immigrants as competing for?

b) I have no idea how many unemployed UK residents have no intention of finding a job and, apart from the level of benefits they get in doing so, cannot imagine a lot of reasons why that should be their attitude. Would you pay them benefit? As for the so-called list of jobs where are they and what are they? I canno see a single one listed. And 0.5m jobs across an entire country is damn-all especially if a high proportion of people are never going to be candidates because of things like:

a) They cannot drive.

b) The job is nowhere near where they live and they cannot afford to move.

c) They cannot satisfy health requirements.

d) They don't have the required paper qualifications.

e) They have children they are responsible for and cannot economically mix the two.

f) They would be very little better off than they would be living off income support.

c) If you apply that argument logically why, when this country had very few immigrants, would they ever have been given jobs on the basis of proportional representation? The whole argument is contrived political bullshit. If certain people don't want to be policed by whoever from the existing population of this land they shouldn't be here. It's like saying I only want to be served in a restaurant by a white waitress. I don't care. I'm happy to be served by whoever's on duty...differentiation doesn't exist for me and never has.

a) It's already been posted on this thread by others but to refresh your memory, most migrant workers will fill labour shortages at either extreme, doing the jobs that nobody wants to do, or doing the jobs that our drop-out uni students aren't qualified to do, what with them dropping out. Of course you will find them doing jobs that fit in between but not as many as at the extremes, before you try to be all pedantic about things.

b) The question I asked has bugger all to do with people who don't want to find jobs. The link refers to 25% of people claiming JSA still claiming after 6 months. That means 75% of JSA claimants stop claiming within 6 months. What I am asking is why this might be the case.

c) The existing population consists of 3rd even 4th generation immigrants. Do you want them to bugger off as well?

It's funny what you say there. That unemployment has doubled. I don't question your figures but Lise seems to imply that so many more people nowadays have no intention of getting a job! Strange that. Why the sudden and dramatic change, if there's been one!

Up to 25% of JSA claimants? Then those misusing incapacity benefits? Carers allowance?

I'll be interested to hear what Lise has to say about the benefits paid.

Why, what do you think I'll say?

[Edmund]

They don't strike me as unemployable. Or untrainable. Or unable to do a whole host of things.

This is what i don't understand. They should be offered gym memberships?

And I better be careful what I say because I don't want the feminists on my back, but Dawn French is bigger than the lady in the picture yet is one of the most successful british comedians on tv.

[Dan]

This is what i don't understand. They should be offered gym memberships?

And I better be careful what I say because I don't want the feminists on my back, but Dawn French is bigger than the lady in the picture yet is one of the most successful british comedians on tv.

fook that bullshit, why pay for them to lose weight when they will more than likely never go to the gym, they can go and get a job and pay for gym membership if they really want to go.

[Thracian]

a) It's already been posted on this thread by others but to refresh your memory, most migrant workers will fill labour shortages at either extreme, doing the jobs that nobody wants to do, or doing the jobs that our drop-out uni students aren't qualified to do, what with them dropping out. Of course you will find them doing jobs that fit in between but not as many as at the extremes, before you try to be all pedantic about things.

b) The question I asked has bugger all to do with people who don't want to find jobs. The link refers to 25% of people claiming JSA still claiming after 6 months. That means 75% of JSA claimants stop claiming within 6 months. What I am asking is why this might be the case.

c) The existing population consists of 3rd even 4th generation immigrants. Do you want them to bugger off as well?

d) Up to 25% of JSA claimants? Then those misusing incapacity benefits? Carers allowance?

e) Why, what do you think I'll say?

a) After reading that it seems that migrants will go for whatever jobs are available - and, in some cases, at least according to the piece on Polish bus drivers, with bogus qualifications if that's what's necessary to get accepted.

b) I've no idea. Perhaps you'll tell me.

c) I've made it abundantly clear on countless occasions that I don't want anyone sent home least of all 3rd and 4th generation immigrants. You well know my views and I'm surprised you'd even suggest that I thought that. Furthermore while what you say doesn't actually counter my argument I cannot see why those third and fourth generation arrivals should care who polices them. My family has been here for as many generations as I've ever searched back but I'm expected to respect black or asian policemen or whatever else just as much as anyone else.

d) Yes you give those figures in relation to 2.3 million unemployed. But the figure used to be 1.5 million. If the figure was still 25% why are there so many more who you suggest are not willing to work when 0.8 million of those people previously had jobs?

e) If I'd have known I wouldn't have asked. At least i try to answer your questions.