FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Finnegan]

And do you think that anyone on here has changed their view in the slightest?

While I agree that it's getting a little bit dull on FoxesTalk by now

[Thracian]

But you went on that rant after Raj called BNP voters cunts. And he's right, they are cunts. Anyone who vote for a party whos leader is a holocaust denier, who thinks that blacks and other minorities have no place in Britain, who have had meetings with the KKK and C18 and the list is endless, are cunts. There's no two ways about it. Forget looking at their manifestos, they are racist fucks - their main goal is "ethnic cleansing" and people who vote for BNP are either racists or uneducated.

I really don't know what you're trying prove here. You come across as if you are semi-justifying people voting for the BNP.

a) Singhy didn't say they were "c*nts* it was another poster.

b) No-one pretends that the BNP is not racist and that some of their leadership have odious views. I said that instead of branding 1m people as "c*nts" some effort should be made to understand why that reaction has occured and to do something about it because that's a massive shift in public opinion which wasn't there previously. Why have so many people suddenly decided that their racial identity needs to be defendd when it wasn't the case previously? And there's no need for you to be so condemning either. I might say that millions of Muslims were c*nts for some of their views. Didn't the Iranian President want the entire Israeli nation wiped off the face of the Earth? How racist is that? And in what way would that not be "ethnic cleansing"?.

c) In no way do I justify or semi-justify voting BNP. I warned about the gathering force of the BNP long before anyone else on this forum and was mocked for it.

But that force will continue to fester and grow while mainstream politicians ignore, devalue and disadvantage the native English population in a bid to appease Muslims who are forever pressing for yet more concessions, more influence, greater presence and who are, by their own admission, determined to convert our nation to their way of thinking.

[Thracian]

Possibly the most paranoia-ridden post in the history of Foxestalk...

Not even Nick Griffin could utter such certifiable nonsense.

Apparently one in four children now born in the UK has at least one immigrant parent. That is the highest percentage ever. I've had so-called "nonsense" mocked before on this forum and time has proved me right. I'll try to be back in 20 years to say "I told you so" on this one. Perhaps even earlier.

[Thracian]

Thrac, from your posts, it seems that you are championing this fight for grief of the indiginious but you dont seem to understand that majority of those grievances are shared by the non indiginious brits including muslims brits, sikh brits, and others. Majority have the same concerns regarding immigration, dole spongers, nhs etc, were all in it together Thrac.

I cannot speak fort the majority but in several instances that have come to my notice recently, I'd agree with that.

[Thracian]

Thrac - lets face it, although it may feel like the white male is being attacked by all of the other races and gender combinations that race still holds a majority place of power in the places that matter. So maybe its the white males to blame for this mess, in which case maybe its us that should be finding a new island to live on?

It was white males who fashioned a country in the first place that all and sundry now want to live in. Like many who are successful they've felt a desire to share it. Some have accepted the invitation with good grace and goodwill, and have gone on to make themselves a happy life in Britain. Others have taken advantage, have thrown our charity in our faces and have sought to undermine our society for their own advantage and purposes.

[breadandcheese]

It was white males who fashioned a country in the first place that all and sundry now want to live in. Like many who are successful they've felt a desire to share it. Some have accepted the invitation with good grace and goodwill, and have gone on to make themselves a happy life in Britain. Others have taken advantage, have thrown our charity in our faces and have sought to undermine our society for their own advantage and purposes.

The problem I have is the designation into race. It wasn't white males, it was British values and ingenuity. It was the belief in liberty, strength in honour, ingenuity in technology, victorian values, strength of law. All of these are what fashioned this country.

If it was solely about white males, a country like Lithuania would be an equally attractive destination?

So to call it as white males fashioning a country is disingenuous and false. In fact, many of the things that helped fashion this country were imported. The Dutch system of finance allowed us to overtake France as the power in Europe around the 1860s, with the accession of William III (a Dutch King) to the throne. The strength of the empire, allowing Britain to have a much larger army than the size of it's country would normally have throughout the 1800s and 1900s, with regiments from different countries within the empire. Indeed, when Churchill was prime minister during the second world war, he recognised that Britain would not be rescued by European partners, but by looking to the old empire to rescue the "mother" country.

[Edmund]

Why is it that, in a nation supposedly trying to achieve a race-ethnicity "color blind" society in which each individual is dealt with equally, on the basis of his merit, etc. certain races and ethnicities are openly encouraged to "celebrate" their "diversity" - and more, to identify in explicitly racial/ethnic terms - while just one group - whites - is forbidden this and,moreover, heavily lectured that any action or thought that even remotely hints at a white racial identity amounts to racism?. WTF????

Fook me next you will be saying blonde hair and blue eyes only.

What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

The ironic thing is the only racism is being spouted by you.

The Greens would have won but most of their voters put the their ballot paper in the recycling.

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IS Thracian's latest rant final proof that he has fallen for the BNP's propaganda? Or is he really a 'closet' supporter?

The BNP is trying to remodel itself as not being racist, but standing up for the rights of working class whites.

They argue that racism does exist, but it's the whites who are victims of the 'politically correct' race relations lobby and self-denigrating whites who put foreigners and asylum-seekers first.

In fact, Thracian uses the same language as the BNP!

Thracian does not attack racism or seek to find the issues really affecting blacks, Asians, whites, asylum-seekers and migrants alike.

That's the same thing the BNP does, now that it is not a 'racist' party.

In other words, racism is caused by 'anti racism' and the only way to deal with it is to ignore it or only speak about white victims.

Totally agree.

Apparently one in four children now born in the UK has at least one immigrant parent. That is the highest percentage ever. I've had so-called "nonsense" mocked before on this forum and time has proved me right. I'll try to be back in 20 years to say "I told you so" on this one. Perhaps even earlier.

And so what? They are legally British if born in this country. Why it irritates you is beyond me?

Does it annoy you that Ashley Chambers, Levi Psssh (as it's a football forum using as an example) are all born to parents that have immigrated here?

[samuel]

Fook me next you will be saying blonde hair and blue eyes only.

What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

The ironic thing is the only racism is being spouted by you.

I like

Totally agree.

And so what? They are legally British if born in this country. Why it irritates you is beyond me?

Does it annoy you that Ashley Chambers, Levi Psssh (as it's a football forum using as an example) are all born to parents that have immigrated here?

I would imagine Levi's parent (the coloured one) was not an immigrant either, his/her parents might have been, but I doubt that also.

And by the way, there was no Irony in my post.

[samuel]

Fook me next you will be saying blonde hair and blue eyes only.

What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

The ironic thing is the only racism is being spouted by you.

http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/2009/04...st-georges-day/

http://blazingtorches.blogspot.com/2009/02...eorges-day.html

There's 2, I could fill this forum with countless other examples....

[Edmund]

I would imagine Levi's parent (the coloured one) was not an immigrant either, his/her parents might have been, but I doubt that also.

Of course one or both of his parents or there parents emigrated to England.

And by the way, there was no Irony in my post.

(the coloured one)

Too easy.

Just out of interest are you not of any colour.

Are you transparant and resemble something along the lines of this:

[Edmund]

What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/2009/04...st-georges-day/

http://blazingtorches.blogspot.com/2009/02...eorges-day.html

There's 2, I could fill this forum with countless other examples....

Oh dear.

[samuel]

Of course one or both of his parents or there parents emigrated to England.

Too easy.

Just out of interest are you not of any colour.

Are you transparant and resemble something along the lines of this:

Please enlighten me as to why "Of course" his parents or their parents might have emigrated to england?....

How old do you think Levi P is?. I imagine I could catergorically state that he is probably at least 3rd generation, meaning his parent and grandparents were most definately born here.

Another jump on the bandwagon merchant with a very loose grip on facts or reality!

And yes., I am white, very white and very proud...

[samuel]

Oh dear.

But couldn't I just make some up and you would answer in exactly the same way?.

Little numpty, with a little knowledge. Dangerous you are Jehst!

And very naive!

[Webbo]

[Edmund]

Please enlighten me as to why "Of course" his parents or their parents might have emigrated to england?....

****s sake.

It doesn't matter what generation his parents emigrated to England, the fact is at some point someone in his family did. You don't see many people of African, West Indian descent around in Britain in the 1800's do you.

Anyway why are you even bringing this up. I was stating a point to Thracian that people emigrate to Britain and give birth whilst in the county and is nothing new as he was annoyed that a stat he got from

somewhere said that 1 in 4 newborns have a parent who is an immigrant and I wanted to know why it irritated him but you leeched on and are making a silly argument out of nothing which is going nowhere. I

don't even think you know what you are arguing about because I sure in hell don't.

Another jump on the bandwagon merchant with a very loose grip on facts or reality!

What is your point? If you came on here with a bit of inteligence or a feasable argument then we could debate but I really don't know what you are trying to get at. Youve lost me.

What bandwagon am I jumping on? What facts am I loose on? Elaborate Please (I wont hold my breath).

The only thing I can gather (guess) is that you are saying that if someone emigrated to this country a few generations back and settled in England and started a family it's ok and if they have done recently then

it's not. Think about what your saying.

But couldn't I just make some up and you would answer in exactly the same way?.

And very naive!

No the reason is because you cant talk about any life experinces. All your arguments are fuelled by silly bits of propaganda and links yet you call me naive. The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Little numpty, with a little knowledge. Dangerous you are Jehst!

Yes lets result to insults because you can't string a decent argument together.

Yet another bnp supporter who has made themselves look an utter turd in this thread. Bravo

And yes., I am white, very white and very proud...

Brilliant. Which shade?

[Super Arj]

****s sake.

It doesn't matter what generation his parents emigrated to England, the fact is at some point someone in his family did. You don't see many people of African, West Indian descent around in Britain in the 1800's do you.

Anyway why are you even bringing this up. I was stating a point to Thracian that people emigrate to Britain and give birth whilst in the county and is nothing new as he was annoyed that a stat he got from

somewhere said that 1 in 4 newborns have a parent who is an immigrant and I wanted to know why it irritated him but you leeched on and are making a silly argument out of nothing which is going nowhere. I

don't even think you know what you are arguing about because I sure in hell don't.

What is your point? If you came on here with a bit of inteligence or a feasable argument then we could debate but I really don't know what you are trying to get at. Youve lost me.

What bandwagon am I jumping on? What facts am I loose on? Elaborate Please (I wont hold my breath).

The only thing I can gather (guess) is that you are saying that if someone emigrated to this country a few generations back and settled in England and started a family it's ok and if they have done recently then

it's not. Think about what your saying.

No the reason is because you cant talk about any life experinces. All your arguments are fuelled by silly bits of propaganda and links yet you call me naive. The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Yes lets result to insults because you can't string a decent argument together.

Yet another bnp supporter who has made themselves look an utter turd in this thread. Bravo

Brilliant post :thumbup:

[Thracian]

The problem I have is the designation into race. It wasn't white males, it was British values and ingenuity. It was the belief in liberty, strength in honour, ingenuity in technology, victorian values, strength of law. All of these are what fashioned this country.

If it was solely about white males, a country like Lithuania would be an equally attractive destination?

So to call it as white males fashioning a country is disingenuous and false. In fact, many of the things that helped fashion this country were imported. The Dutch system of finance allowed us to overtake France as the power in Europe around the 1860s, with the accession of William III (a Dutch King) to the throne. The strength of the empire, allowing Britain to have a much larger army than the size of it's country would normally have throughout the 1800s and 1900s, with regiments from different countries within the empire. Indeed, when Churchill was prime minister during the second world war, he recognised that Britain would not be rescued by European partners, but by looking to the old empire to rescue the "mother" country.

Hammond (Ankle) referered to "white males" in positions of power being to blame and I simply referred to what they created and wonder why they might feel obliged to consider living elsewhere now they are so disregarded in their own land.

The Dutch were a white nation at that time anyway and, during the time of Britain's greatest power, from what I can see from basic research, the leadership/senior strata of almostg every aspect of our society including its politicians, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, explorers, scientists etc mostly comprised white Christian males.

Even in gratefully acknowledging the sometimes exceptional service given to us by Commonwealth soldiers how you can pretend that our nation was not built and sustained on the back of a white male leadership management and infrastructure I don't know.

It is only in relatively modern times that women have became a major part of our workforce including in areas of management and decision making, and, gradually too there has been an increasing number of immigrants, some of them constructively beneficial to Britain, some of them not.

And who has benefitted most from that double change? Increasingly in the times of Harriet Harman, positive discrimination and ethnic minority quotas it is women and immigrants. Because it sure ain't the native white men who are currently filling the dole queues and who are having to sell their homes as their debts become unmanageable.

It all shows what's at risk when change is made, when compromise is made and when any form of power is conceded.

And it subtly shows why in the end, I believe it is Muslim influence which will grow most in the England of the future.

Because Muslims don't know the meaning of the word compromise. They don't concede an inch.

The whole Muslim structure is geared towards advancing the power and influence of Islam and they are brilliant at doing so. In many ways I have nothing but admiration for them.

Let's look at their progress in such a short time.

http://debate.org.uk/topics/isamasih/jul98/groups.htm

Quite remarkable.

[Super Arj]

And it subtly shows why in the end, I believe it is Muslim influence which will grow most in the England of the future.

Because Muslims don't know the meaning of the word compromise. They don't concede an inch.

The whole Muslim structure is geared towards advancing the power and influence of Islam and they are brilliant at doing so. In many ways I have nothing but admiration for them.

Ii think it's quite remarkable how you have generalised a whole faith on "not understanding comprimise"

I take it you've met every single muslim on God's green earth,

I'm not muslim myself, but i know that even though some of their leaders are what you've described, there are plenty more good than bad...

I suggest you go out and meet a few Muslims before you just post based on the knowledge of Yahoo answers..

[Thracian]

Q) What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

A) Walk the streets at night in many British Cities if their parents have any sense what with the knifings and sex assaults. And that's quite apart from various efforts to ban flying of the English or Union flag, to stop Christian assemblies or school productions that have a Christian basis, to stop people wearing crosses or crucifixes at work, to stop English whites teaching at schools where there are significant numbers of Muslim or immigrant pupils by co-ordinated pressure campaigns. Etc.

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Q) And so what? They are legally British if born in this country. Why it irritates you is beyond me?

A) Many foreigners have children to ensure nationality status and to take advantage of our welfare system. And why not if the opportunity is legally given to them? But that doesn't make it the right thing for our country if there are too many people, too much strain on our infrastructure and too few jobs to occupy their parents now and those kids when they grow up.

Whether deliberate or not ethnicide is underway in England and the proof will be seen in the end.

For me though it is all about treating white people fairly and with respect as well as encouraging them to stay fit enough and educated enough to compete instead of ending all competiton, but that has not happened.

Many have been thoroughly demotivated and family life allowed to fall apart. As for being able to compete we live in such a soft-soap society it is embarrassing with no national service, no boxing in schools and ridiculous curbs on almost anything that has a modicum of risk or danger.

I've supported Ashley Chambers, Levi Psssh and Max Gradel because they have talent but I am fast wondering how long Chambers' career will last here based on what he delivered last season. Psssh wouldn't get 5% of any vote to be retained given his period awol so, despite their talent only Gradel honestly justifies his remaining at City and denying others a chance based on the season just finished.

And several other foreign players have been given contracts at City in recent seasons that can only have had something to do with quotas cos nothing I saw from those players ever suggested the contracts were for football reasons.

As I say I have no problem giving breaks to any players who deserve them but I do have problems with the idea giving some people unfair advantage.

Teams and employees should be picked on merit and for no other reason.

[Thracian]

Ii think it's quite remarkable how you have generalised a whole faith on "not understanding comprimise"

I take it you've met every single muslim on God's green earth,

I'm not muslim myself, but i know that even though some of their leaders are what you've described, there are plenty more good than bad...

I suggest you go out and meet a few Muslims before you just post based on the knowledge of Yahoo answers..

When you do me the credit of reading about Islamic beliefs and obligations by all means come back. As for meeting Muslims I meet them every working day and what I say is not about them being "good" or "bad" in any way. It is about what their faith demands. In many ways I envy Muslims the depth of their faith and their certainty that it is the right path.

Let me quote you are paragraph from May's edition of The Islamist to emphasise my point and to reassure you that I don't need to meet or know every Muslim to understand what is required of them:

Page 4 under theheadline "Contest 11. Strategy to Destroy Islam".

"Any sincere Muslim who is well versed in the teaching of the Qur'an and Prophetic tradition knows that Muslims are obliged to live under Khalifah, a system of government that incorporates the Shari'ah and that the Shari'ah is not open to discussion, nothing can be added to it nor anything taken away, hence (for instance) homosexuality and other sinful acts will always be condemned by the Muslims."

[Edmund]

Q) What are white people forbidden to do? And don't give me yahoo links I want real life experiences.

A) Walk the streets at night in many British Cities if their parents have any sense what with the knifings and sex assaults. And that's quite apart from various efforts to ban flying of the English or Union flag, to stop Christian assemblies or school productions that have a Christian basis, to stop people wearing crosses or crucifixes at work, to stop English whites teaching at schools where there are significant numbers of Muslim or immigrant pupils by co-ordinated pressure campaigns. Etc.

Still no life experiences unless of course you are referring to walking through streets at night.

Come on, so all sex assaults and knifings are done by non whites?

When im in town on a friday or saturday night I see plenty of folk (of all races) drinking and walking the streets with no problems.

Of course every city is going to have there bad areas but to generalise and say that these areas are only safe for non white folk is just plain silly. Usually these bad areas have high crime levels due to poverty and drugs.

On the flag front I see plenty of flags flying out of windows of houses. In fact I live in a highly populated asian area and down the street there is a guy who flys his england flag with no problems.

Again the banning at crucifixes at work? news to me. Im sure ive worked with lots of people who have worn them with no problems.

If you read my question I asked what are "white people" supposedly forbidden from doing yet you have brought up christianity which is a religion of all races.

That is political correctnes gone mad not so called racism. I agree somethings are over the top on the pc front, e.g. Leicestershire council were banned from having merry christmas in there cards a year ago and

had to be replaced by season's greetings which is a digrace. I agree that is stupid but its not a solely "white thing". It's a christian thing.

A) Many foreigners have children to ensure nationality status and to take advantage of our welfare system. And why not if the opportunity is legally given to them? But that doesn't make it the right thing for our country if there are too many people, too much strain on our infrastructure and too few jobs to occupy their parents now and those kids when they grow up.

Whether deliberate or not ethnicide is underway in England and the proof will be seen in the end.

This is news to me but I can't comment on this as I don't have first hand experience in this field but still I find it very controversial that you claim many people do it just to get on the welfare system.

What about all the single mothers who are a huge strain on the welfare system? I would like to see the figures of how much welfare is actually given between different races/ cases (single mothers/illness).

For me though it is all about treating white people fairly and with respect as well as encouraging them to stay fit enough and educated enough to compete instead of ending all competiton, but that has not happened.

You keep on going about white people being treated fairly yet the majority of the white members who have posted in this thread keep on stating that they feel treated fairly. Obviously your blabyfox's, teenos

and samuel are going to say otherwise but they are in the minority and can't seem to string a decent sentence together.

no boxing in schools

So violence is the answer.

ridiculous curbs on almost anything that has a modicum of risk or danger.

Yep again this pc gone mad and I agree we do live in a insurance driven world but I think we have inherited that from are American friends.

A lot of health and safety is nonsense but it's just how it is and how society works. I agree that a lot of things are taken out of context but surely the lawyers and insurance brokers are to blame?

I've supported Ashley Chambers, Levi Psssh and Max Gradel because they have talent but I am fast wondering how long Chambers' career will last here based on what he delivered last season. Psssh wouldn't get 5% of any vote to be retained given his period awol so, despite their talent only Gradel honestly justifies his remaining at City and denying others a chance based on the season just finished.

As I say I have no problem giving breaks to any players who deserve them but I do have problems with the idea giving some people unfair advantage.

Teams and employees should be picked on merit and for no other reason.

Im not denying your support for the players mentioned as you are probably the biggest fan of the youth academy and dare I say it the most knowledgeable but I used Psssh and Chambers as an example of citizens who have foreign blood in them and at some point one or both of there ancestors migrated to England and gave birth to them and I doubt it was just to get on the welfare.

Teams and employees should be picked on merit and for no other reason.

Yes of course but in all walks of life there will be corruption. Look at the Royal Family they get preferential treatment in the army.

[Hullfox]

Blimey, the idiots are out in this thread aren't they?

I only managed to get to page 8 too.

[Daggers]

Blimey, the idiots are out in this thread aren't they?

So many empty villages.

[Hullfox]

So many empty villages.

Thats because the indigenous white population have all had to leave to find work because the immigrants have taken their jobs.

[Daggers]

Thats because the indigenous white population have all had to leave to find work because the immigrants have taken their jobs.

I hope they weren't waving flags or travelling at night.