FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[Tabou]

You just don't like them because they'd deport you back to gay land.

Brighton?

[andy_croydz]

The big problem I have with the BNP is the fact that their leader used to go around spouting stuff like "Gas chambers to kill jews never existed" or... when someone asked him a question on whether all non white British people should be deported out of the country he answered a simple "yes"

Now he claims the party isn't racist etc... He's changing his tune and giving us the usual nice softly softly approach to try and lure in voters, most of us know what he and the rest of the BNP are upto. They can't fool the majority of us but sadly they can fool some people into thinking they are a different party now from 10 years ago, nonsense!

Thracian mentioned that there is corruption in the big partys like Labour and Conservative so for me to single out the criminals in BNP was unfair but at least the offences commited by some MP's from the big partys aren't anywhere near as bad as the ones from the BNP mp's. A lot of them have been done for inciting racial hatred and some been convicted for things like football hooliganism and GBH.

[l444ry]

In fact it was. The list of criminals among main party members was shocking and extensive. I published them all on here once.

But here's some samples. There are plenty more.

http://bnp.org.uk/tag/labour-lib-dem-tory-criminals/

You are right, Thracian. Labour, Tories, NF, Communist Party, Green Party are all likely likely to have members/councillors/MP's with criminal convictions. But the ratio seems very high in the BNP for such a small party, don't you think?

[Edmund]

[andy_croydz]

But he is hungry though...

[Thracian]

Thracian, you can't be serious can you, you can't say, yes the BNP have some great policies but the ones that are facist and racist is ok to ignore in hest of those that are good!!

And the bit about evolving is seriously flawed, a leopard does not change it's spots, you should be asking for the likes of Conservatives and Labour to evolve!!

I've said nothing whatsoever about the rights or wrongs of BNP policies but would reiterate once again that I don't support fascism in any way, shape or form. I don't support racism either but that includes racism against whites just as much as racism against anyone else - and it's just unfortunate that so many people seem to completely disregard the former.

I've pointed out that 1 million people voted for the BNP and said that instead of someone labelling them all "c*nts" it would be wise to understand the reasons why they voted as they did - some of which I have suggested both here and in other threads.

I've also criticised the hypocrisy of claiming that we have a democracy but having much of the media bastardise that very concept be denying the BNP a voice while offering a platform to others. If you are going to have a democracy which also champions the right to free speech then that is what the governement and the supporters of democracy should defend.

As for evolution the Conservatives, Liberal Democrat and Labour Parties have had decades to evolve and what I've seen of their evolution hasn't impressed.

Not only are those parties demonstrably full of self-serving cheats and fraudsters, but between them they have wilfully allowed our sovereignty to be whittled away despite great public concern and opposition, they've turned government of this country into a source of merriment and ridicule, they've presided over policies which have fanned the support of parties like the BNP and have encouraged/enabled the employment of foreign workers while disadvantaging our own workers. I am not against foreign workers but I am against them displacing our existing workforce by one means (discrimination) or another (false qualifications) or even another (accepting lower wages).

None of the three main parties has the will to address the widespread concerns and anger of the indigenous population so the only hope of the white British-born displaced and disregarded is to have a party evolve that does represent and stand up for their views and does address the problems which successive government policies have brought about. There are so many of them as indicated by such a earthquake of protest in the recent elections.

I don't much care which party does that. I only care that some party emerges to fairly represent the people of this country which successive governments have first and foremost been elected to serve but have failed lamentably.

We need a party which will stand up for the Brits, whether it be the BNP, UKIP or anyone else. A party which will defend our national sovereignty and right to decide our own immigration policy and which will give those who have been the biggest and probably only victims of rampant social engineering their voice back together with the motivation to feel that that they matter again and that they have something worth working for.

PS: As an aside, new figures on top of already appalling jobless totals showed that the number of white collar workers on the dole has soared 154% in the last year, dealing yet another blow to middle Englanders.

The increases, in various parts of the country, run into hundreds of thousands. And people wonder why so many are turning to parties that might do something about it.

[Thracian]

You are right, Thracian. Labour, Tories, NF, Communist Party, Green Party are all likely likely to have members/councillors/MP's with criminal convictions. But the ratio seems very high in the BNP for such a small party, don't you think?

It seems far too high in all of them.

[Thracian]

I've heard it all before, it's nothing new, unfortunately the past history between Sikhs and Muslims (I must stress it's pakistanis and those from the indian subcontinent)erupts in 2nd and 3rd generation Britons.

Does this thing happen???? For what pupose and what degree????

We need to get a perspective, there have been reports that suggest such trafficking does occur but it's a very small number were talking possibly around 50 - 100 a year, and that's a minute number compared to say british pakistanis forcefully marrying there daughters\sons daughters and keeping them in pakistan, even more smaller compared child prostitution in mumbia which has over 2000 children forced into prostitution daily, and has 33 million child prostitutes in the whole nation!!

I know from personal experience, and have seen brit pakistani muslim lads portray themselves as Sikhs to entice Sikh girls, they would wear the steel bangle (Kara), use Sikhs names etc. Is this a method to entice to convert, or just pull a sikh girl for fun or for hatred of sikhs?????? If it's for hatred or converting, it's wrong, and I must stress this I have seen by a minority brit pak muslims, majority I know would never stoop so low!! I must also admit, I have been abroad in the past and portray myself as either spanish or cypriot to entice the ladies, so am I as bad as them!!!

SO Kareem the answers is, yes it does happen, it's done by certain group of muslims not all, and is done due there hatred of Sikhs, it's very rare in the grand scheme of things, but it's not right and SIkh's will do whatever to stop it!! Unfortunately Kareem, there are minorities within the communities of brit pak muslims, that are hellbent on there hatred, and for eg birmingham every year during SIkh festivals they go to cause trouble, hence at a religious celebration heavy police presence is required but the oppposite cannot be said of the Sikhs, ive never known Sikhs to ruin a eid festival etc!!!! But in saying that there are Sikhs that have hatred for muslims and hold grudges, and overspill them into violence and stupidity!! the wghole thing comes down to education, knowing the truth and common sense!!

IMO in many cases muslim communities especially those from the indian subcontinent tend to stick together and live in the same area, they tend to shut themselves from the 'outside' world and become enclosed. This causes problems with integration, the previous problems associated with other religions in there ancestrial homes are brought with them and those ingorances aswell. We live in Leicester and some would say the muslim communityis far more integrated then those in bradford, oldham, birmingham (perry bar, cape hill, borsall heath etc), and if you were to compare thse communities with the Sikh commonities , you will find the Sikhs are far more integrated, successful, live in a much broader areas of those cities!!!!

The issue of conversion is thus, Muslims are very strict on the fact they will only marry muslims, hence a Sikh\Athiest etc will need to convert, the Islamic faith does not warrant interfaith marriage and it's a sin, and the social stigma that goes with it. And from experience, I know Sikh boys\girls who are told unless they convert the relationship will end, so they have a choice between the person they love and there religion, this is a pressured choice one that should not happen in todays free world!!

Unfortunately apostates from Sikhism, face social stigma and conflicts between there families, although there is no sin attached to apostaty in Sikhism!!! Hence the possible apostate has pressure and faces ostrititaion from peers and family. This may overspill to hatred and violence between the 2 communities!!!

Another excellent and thoroughly interesting response.

[andy_croydz]

You make good points Thraice, what worries me about 1 million people voting BNP is that I think 200,000-300,000 of them were likely to be racist.

I know 2 people who voted BNP purely because they knew they didn't like "Pakis" as they called them and so they voted for them purely on that basis. Which in my opinion is absolutely... Well I could find some serious expletives to describe them but I won't. It's extremely stupid though put it that way, they had no idea what other policys the BNP had or anything.

I think 95% of people who vote BNP know that they are racist in some form so I think it's fair to say that a lot of people do vote for them because they are either racist themselves or agree with them on kicking immagrants out, including the good and honest ones.

It is true though that some people voted BNP as a protest against the big party's but I am deeply concerned really about the fact that it seems racism is still quite active in Britain still. It's a lot lot less than it was 25-30 years ago but there is still too much that exists, far too much. The BNP always focus on asians or black people that commit crimes and always highlight them but if some white thug commits a crime and kills someone they never mention it.

I remember this lad I know that voted BNP, he said that "get the pakis out, they just blow people up" so I tried to explain to him that asians have been in Leicester for a long time now and haven't bombed anywhere. He said "Just a matter of time"

I'm afraid that these kind of people are still around us, as much as I hate to admit that.

[Thracian]

You really enjoy putting this hateful retoric on here don't you Tony.

How little you seem to understand me.

I enjoy getting people to think about what they say and to debate the issues instead of having conversation sterilised by concern for and fear of the PC lobby.

People do hate, whether you prefer to hide/ignore it or not. Not talking about it won't send it away or end it. Hate is an emotive and reactive response which affects black, white, rich and poor across the world.

And there will never be genuine respect for different peoples if false barriers are erected or while police forces and politicians seek to cover up or downplay events which ferment hatred.

Would I "hate" Muslims who abused/corrupted my young son or daughter. You bet. Would I hate Christian English who did the same? Of course. But in neither case would that hatred mean I would in any way hate all Muslims or all Christian English.

However it would make me think that those broader communities should do something about condemning the abusers - and judicially I don't mean the sort of liberal sentencing that is so fashionable and which frees abusers (and others early) so they can abuse and ruin lives some more.

And in case you're unsure, my view would be just as firm if a group of Christian whites were to abuse/corrupt Muslim girls. I detest people who would abuse kids at any time or for any reason. And I see no reason to hide or subdue such events for the sake of some contrived socio-political expediency.

In my ideal world decent Muslims would be as appalled by the groomers as I am but the subject was mentioned not out of hatred but simply as a handy example of why northern people in particular might have turned to the BNP rather than simply because they were "c*nts".

[Koke]

In my ideal world decent Muslims would be as appalled by the groomers as I am.

I am appalled as Dr Singh confirmed to me that there is truth in what you said. And he also went into great details about how it is an issue concerning Hindus/Muslims/Sikhs from India & Pakistan. I had never heard of this before and neither had any of my peers that I asked today.

But you went on that rant after Raj called BNP voters cunts. And he's right, they are cunts. Anyone who vote for a party whos leader is a holocaust denier, who thinks that blacks and other minorities have no place in Britain, who have had meetings with the KKK and C18 and the list is endless, are cunts. There's no two ways about it. Forget looking at their manifestos, they are racist fucks - their main goal is "ethnic cleansing" and people who vote for BNP are either racists or uneducated.

I really don't know what you're trying prove here. You come across as if you are semi-justifying people voting for the BNP.

[Daggers]

I keep popping into this thread to see if anyone has posted anything remotely funny...but no, no one has.

Boooooo.

[coale39]

I keep popping into this thread to see if anyone has posted anything remotely funny...but no, no one has.

Boooooo.

bnp.org.uk. Right hand side of screen Join BNP. Type of membership > Overseas. Doesnt that defeat the object?

[Daggers]

bnp.org.uk. Right hand side of screen Join BNP. Type of membership > Overseas. Doesnt that defeat the object?

Well done - that made me smile

[Dr The Singh]

I've said nothing whatsoever about the rights or wrongs of BNP policies but would reiterate once again that I don't support fascism in any way, shape or form. I don't support racism either but that includes racism against whites just as much as racism against anyone else - and it's just unfortunate that so many people seem to completely disregard the former.

I've pointed out that 1 million people voted for the BNP and said that instead of someone labelling them all "c*nts" it would be wise to understand the reasons why they voted as they did - some of which I have suggested both here and in other threads.

I've also criticised the hypocrisy of claiming that we have a democracy but having much of the media bastardise that very concept be denying the BNP a voice while offering a platform to others. If you are going to have a democracy which also champions the right to free speech then that is what the governement and the supporters of democracy should defend.

As for evolution the Conservatives, Liberal Democrat and Labour Parties have had decades to evolve and what I've seen of their evolution hasn't impressed.

Not only are those parties demonstrably full of self-serving cheats and fraudsters, but between them they have wilfully allowed our sovereignty to be whittled away despite great public concern and opposition, they've turned government of this country into a source of merriment and ridicule, they've presided over policies which have fanned the support of parties like the BNP and have encouraged/enabled the employment of foreign workers while disadvantaging our own workers.

None of the three has the will to address the widespread concerns and anger of the indigenous population so the only hope of the white British-born displaced and disregarded is to have a party evolve that does represent and stand up for their views and does address the problems which successive government policies have brought about. There are so many of them as indicated by such a earthquake of protest in the recent elections.

I don't much care which party does that. I only care that some party emerges to represent the people of this country which successive governments have first and foremost been elected to serve but have failed lamentably.

We need a party which will stand up for the Brits, whether it be the BNP, UKIP or anyone else. A party which will defend our national sovereignty and right to decide our own immigration policy and which will give those who have been the biggest and probably only victims of rampant social engineering their voice back together with the motivation to feel that that they matter again and that they have something worth working for. PS: As an aside, new figures on top of already appalling jobless totals showed that the number of white collar workers on the dole has soared 154% in the last year, dealing yet another blow to middle Englanders.

The increases, in various parts of the country, run into hundreds of thousands. And people wonder why so many are turning to parties that might do something about it.

Thrac, from your posts, it seems that you are championing this fight for grief of the indiginious but you dont seem to understand that majority of those grievances are shared by the non indiginious brits including muslims brits, sikh brits, and others. Majority have the same concerns regarding immigration, dole spongers, nhs etc, were all in it together Thrac.

This certain and recent rapport for the BNP as a way of looking for indiginious rights, is as wrong as those taking those rights away!!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Did anyone see Question Time last night, as I thought the trade union guy had it spot on.

If the goverment could do the impossible task of providing everyone with a job and everyone with a house, this wouldn't be an issue, and only a handfull would batter an eyelid at 'immigrants' joining our promise land.

However as soon as times are hard people look for someone to blame.

Thrac - lets face it, although it may feel like the white male is being attacked by all of the other races and gender combinations that race still holds a majority place of power in the places that matter. So maybe its the white males to blame for this mess, in which case maybe its us that should be finding a new island to live on?

[Ultra]

You're right and perhaps it will be for the best. Because in another 20 years of Labour-encouraged social engineering there won't be many white folk left and few will be able to tell the different races apart, so ethnicity won't be an issue any longer. Perhaps they'll even be having campaigns to save endangered species of humans.

Possibly the most paranoia-ridden post in the history of Foxestalk...

Not even Nick Griffin could utter such certifiable nonsense.

[Daggers]

One day, I hope, someone will scribe the true "History Of Foxestalk", so the most paranoia-ridden post can be identified and ridiculed.

Until that day we shall but have to wonder.

[Maybes]

Is this still going on? People not over it yet?

They will never get 'serious' powers in parliament (waits for someone to correct) as there aren't enough idiots in this country that will vote for them.

[Edmund]

Is this still going on? People not over it yet?

It's called the "Great British Moan"

[samuel]

Why exactly?

Because I felt compelled to. I am sick and tired of the way this Government ( National and local ) and country are slowing trying to draw every ounce of my birthright to be English and proud out of me.

You may all mock Thracian, but he doesn't just hit the nail on the head, he shatters it when he says this Government is Racist.They are Racist to the very pit of their stomachs.

Why is it that, in a nation supposedly trying to achieve a race-ethnicity "color blind" society in which each individual is dealt with equally, on the basis of his merit, etc. certain races and ethnicities are openly encouraged to "celebrate" their "diversity" - and more, to identify in explicitly racial/ethnic terms - while just one group - whites - is forbidden this and,moreover, heavily lectured that any action or thought that even remotely hints at a white racial identity amounts to racism?. WTF????

People in this country can't see the woods for the trees, in particular the youth. ( As so many on here have proved )

[davieG]

The Greens would have won but most of their voters put the their ballot paper in the recycling.

[Finnegan]

Is this still going on? People not over it yet?

They will never get 'serious' powers in parliament (waits for someone to correct) as there aren't enough idiots in this country that will vote for them.

While I agree that it's getting a little bit dull on FoxesTalk by now, I think ultimately attitudes like that aren't helpful in the long run, Maybes.

I'm not saying you should live your life day to day scared of racists and fascist boogeymen jumping at you in the street but I do think people should be mindful and a little less apathetic. If they were, we wouldn't have the BNP in power at all. Anywhere.

As it is they may only have a few council seats but that's a few council seats too many and is, to be fair, pretty worth protesting.

[l444ry]

IS Thracian's latest rant final proof that he has fallen for the BNP's propaganda? Or is he really a 'closet' supporter?

The BNP is trying to remodel itself as not being racist, but standing up for the rights of working class whites.

They argue that racism does exist, but it's the whites who are victims of the 'politically correct' race relations lobby and self-denigrating whites who put foreigners and asylum-seekers first.

In fact, Thracian uses the same language as the BNP!

Thracian does not attack racism or seek to find the issues really affecting blacks, Asians, whites, asylum-seekers and migrants alike.

That's the same thing the BNP does, now that it is not a 'racist' party.

In other words, racism is caused by 'anti racism' and the only way to deal with it is to ignore it or only speak about white victims.

[Webbo]

While I agree that it's getting a little bit dull on FoxesTalk by now, I think ultimately attitudes like that aren't helpful in the long run, Maybes.

I'm not saying you should live your life day to day scared of racists and fascist boogeymen jumping at you in the street but I do think people should be mindful and a little less apathetic. If they were, we wouldn't have the BNP in power at all. Anywhere.

As it is they may only have a few council seats but that's a few council seats too many and is, to be fair, pretty worth protesting.

And do you think that anyone on here has changed their view in the slightest?