FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[lou]

Griffin loves harping on about Pakistanis and Indians and other ethnic minorities not being British and shouldn't be in this country, but I've never actually heard him talk about what he would do to the blacks who live here and whos ancestors were brought over here as slaves. Or maybe I have not been paying attention to him and his policies that much. Sent back to which country?

I cant get the quote as work comp wont let me access such websites - think someone posted it on here.

They said something along the lines of "actively encouraging" them to return to the country of their black parent. In other words theyll boot them all out.

Im sure someone can find the quote somewhere. They also said they wanted to ban mixed race relationships

[Dr The Singh]

Griffin loves harping on about Pakistanis and Indians and other ethnic minorities not being British and shouldn't be in this country, but I've never actually heard him talk about what he would do to the blacks who live here and whos ancestors were brought over here as slaves. Or maybe I have not been paying attention to him and his policies that much.

Good point, the reason he focuses on 'browns' is the fact that majority terrorist are browns and that blacks have a longer history in britian and are far more integrated, speak the same language and follow the general british culture. Whereas 'browns' still to some degree stick to there cultural roots, many still converse in there ancestry tongue whichis alien to the 'natives' and is a tool to divide opinions.

The biggest tool he has is islamophobia and terrorism, which is used to bring fear and divide and misalign the gullable and ignorant!!

[Bellend Sebastian]

What's wrong with wanking over Batman? With that big cape and all that rubber you'd have to be made of stone not to.

Wanking over Nick Griffin would be another matter entirely. His jowls are massive, he's repulsive. He's so jowly his friends call him Billy Jowl

[Dr The Singh]

Spoke to Smuts on FaceSpace this morning, deffo should be around for a drink or 4 afterwards. Text/Ring me and let me know where you are!!!

Only kiddin buddy, hows the fella!! I'm not going out straight after but will be out probably around 8ish after the footy, so yeah i'll give you a buzz!!

[Dr The Singh]

What's wrong with wanking over Batman? With that big cape and all that rubber you'd have to be made of stone not to.

Wanking over Nick Griffin would be another matter entirely. His jowls are massive, he's repulsive. He's so jowly his friends call him Billy Jowl

Prefer wanking over Catwomen, Nick Griffin is defo a no no, i'd rather wank over Neil Kinnock or even Thatcher!!!!

[Tabou]

Prefer wanking over Catwomen, Nick Griffin is defo a no no, i'd rather wank over Neil Kinnock or even Thatcher!!!!

I had a vision of Anne Widdecombe once when I was having a shuffle. Explains alot.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Prefer wanking over Catwomen, Nick Griffin is defo a no no, i'd rather wank over Neil Kinnock or even Thatcher!!!!

Catwomen? There's more than one? You should let me know where these women hang out.

Bloody Jowlface will probably be trying to get them thrown out the country

[Raj]

Any one who votes NF is a c.unt.

Anyone who JUSTIFIES voting NF is a fcuking cretinous monkey bastard.

[TrickyTrev]

Gazzer I am not saying immigration is bad or causes unemployment. I am merely saying that people are well aware that not all good things come at once, and that by pretending they do and that there are no downsides to immigration the political elite alienate people. I honestly believe that most people are intelligent enough to accept the truth once it is presented to them, but they recognize when they are not being dealt with squarely.

Politicians in the UK don't talk about immigration because they think people are too stupid to realise the obvious benefits and will concentrate solely on the negatives. I think they are wrong and that their approach of not talking about immigration, rather than putting a case in favour for it, presents the illusion that there is some conspiracy going on in the minds of people that like to think like that.

This is where the major parties are at fault for the present mess.

Really can you prove that?

It's pretty standard economic theory and common sense, I really don't have to. It's even implicitly admitted by politicians when they say immigration keeps prices/inflation down.

Are you talking about mean or median wages? or total wages?

The average (mean) wage rate in every sector in which there is immigration will be directly affected by an increase in labour supply. Other sectors will be less heavily effected but indirectly effected by the fact that people who may have gone for other jobs will now be competing for those jobs. (The fact that cleaning jobs have low wages will obviously increase the number of people interested in bar or shop work but not the number of people applying for a job in the city)

Enough to saw with confidence that net immigration will have a wage dampening effect. This affect is especially clear at the bottom end of any market.

Does it drive down wages for a job that wouldn't have been filled otherwise?

Yes. Especially so. Companies need to hire cleaners (amongst other things.) If no one is willing to work for a very low wage then they will have to increase the wage they are offering until someone is willing to do that work. The very benefit that our economy gets from migration is that companies are able to fill these vacancies without increase wage offers. This has lots of good affects. It makes it cheaper to do business in this country for a start. But it also has the effect of dampening wages at the bottom end of the labour market. This is all fairly uncontroversial.

Doesn't it increase GDP?

Yes I think mass migration is an overall good for the economy. It makes is a damn site easier to do business.

Are there no new jobs created? Surely all this extra work that's going on is adding value to the Economy contributing to growth.

Indirectly yes. Again, mass migration is good for the economy, but it also carries the effect of dampening wages at the lower end of the market. In fact this is part of the cause of growth. Not all good things comes at once.

I think you'll find most unemployment today is a result of manufacturing and engineering being destroyed under Thatcher

I quite agree.

[davieG]

Gazzer I am not saying immigration is bad or causes unemployment. I am merely saying that people are well aware that not all good things come at once, and that by pretending they do and that there are no downsides to immigration the political elite alienate people. I honestly believe that most people are intelligent enough to accept the truth once it is presented to them, but they recognize when they are not being dealt with squarely.

Politicians in the UK don't talk about immigration because they think people are too stupid to realise the obvious benefits and will concentrate solely on the negatives. I think they are wrong and that their approach of not talking about immigration, rather than putting a case in favour for it, presents the illusion that there is some conspiracy going on in the minds of people that like to think like that.

This is where the major parties are at fault for the present mess.

It's pretty standard economic theory and common sense, I really don't have to. It's even implicitly admitted by politicians when they say immigration keeps prices/inflation down.

The average (mean) wage rate in every sector in which there is immigration will be directly affected by an increase in labour supply. Other sectors will be less heavily effected but indirectly effected by the fact that people who may have gone for other jobs will now be competing for those jobs. (The fact that cleaning jobs have low wages will obviously increase the number of people interested in bar or shop work but not the number of people applying for a job in the city)

Enough to saw with confidence that net immigration will have a wage dampening effect. This affect is especially clear at the bottom end of any market.

Yes. Especially so. Companies need to hire cleaners (amongst other things.) If no one is willing to work for a very low wage then they will have to increase the wage they are offering until someone is willing to do that work. The very benefit that our economy gets from migration is that companies are able to fill these vacancies without increase wage offers. This has lots of good affects. It makes it cheaper to do business in this country for a start. But it also has the effect of dampening wages at the bottom end of the labour market. This is all fairly uncontroversial.

Yes I think mass migration is an overall good for the economy. It makes is a damn site easier to do business.

Indirectly yes. Again, mass migration is good for the economy, but it also carries the effect of dampening wages at the lower end of the market. In fact this is part of the cause of growth. Not all good things comes at once.

I quite agree.

Dampening wages at the lower end of the market is not great if that's were you are. It also means that the tax payer ends up subsidising their wages, alright if you're at the top end but not much fun if you're on a low income and pay taxes.

Every ying has a yang so whichever way you look at it immigration is good and bad depending where your place is in society.

A higher proportion of people earn less than the national average I would think and that's where the greatest effect will be felt and I guess it's mainly people from this group that are likely to be seduced into voting for BNP for perceived financial reasons.

[Daggers]

He voted for the WNP, and the Batman BumBoy's party in the EU elections

Does your brain get payments from the EU as I'm sure it would qualify under the Commmon Agricultural Policy as set-aside land?

[Edmund]

Griffin loves harping on about Pakistanis and Indians and other ethnic minorities not being British and shouldn't be in this country, but I've never actually heard him talk about what he would do to the blacks who live here and whos ancestors were brought over here as slaves. Or maybe I have not been paying attention to him and his policies that much. Sent back to which country?

Same as he would with any other so called "ethinic group".

Im sure he refused to support England in the last world cup because of the black players so they supported Norway/Denmark as they said that was there roots.

I would love to know what there smoking. Send it this way please.

At a recent World Cup, the BNP refused to support the England football team because it had black players. The BNP does not believe that any black or Asian person can ever be British.

[Finnegan]

Does your brain get payments from the EU as I'm sure it would qualify under the Commmon Agricultural Policy as set-aside land?

lol I almost choked.

[Daggers]

lol I almost choked.

I'll stop thrusting then.

Sorry.

[Finnegan]

Just got to work on my technique.

[keithweller]

what is most striking about this thread, is the idea that the BNP is a far right party, when they are in fact espousing mostly the theories of the left:

- large increases in state pensions

- more money for the public sector

- nationalisation of key industries

- worker protection

and to argue the toss about immigration in purely fiscal terms is to put a purely free trader and hence conservative view on it....as hayek noted in the road to serfdom...the battle between socialists and fascists is a battle between brothers.

extremism on either side of the political spectrum is to be treated with comtempt (and is by most decent minded people)

having said that, the BNP views on immigration are particularly disgusting.

if Nick Griffin is such a patriot, he should take heed of one of our greatest writers (who wasnt even born in england):

"The intellectuals who hope to see it Russianised or Germanised will be disappointed. The gentleness, the hypocrisy, the thoughtlessness, the reverence for law and the hatred of uniforms will remain, along with the suet puddings and the misty skies. It needs some very great disaster, such as prolonged subjugation by a foreign enemy, to destroy a national culture. The Stock Exchange will be pulled down, the horse plough will give way to the tractor, the country houses will be turned into children's holiday camps, the Eton and Harrow match will be forgotten, but England will still be England, an everlasting animal stretching into the future and the past, and, like all living things, having the power to change out of recognition and yet remain the same".

-George Orwell

[Finnegan]

The far right using economically leftist ideas to draw in the masses is hardly a new one.

The terms "right" and "left" immensely simplify politics, most theorists will draw up either something like a horseshoe diagram to represent politics or a four-way, two-axis graph of some description.

To suggest that the BNP are left-wing (and hence imply the left wing are evil?) because they've claimed they'll improve the fiscal situation of the common man is a bit daft. It's every modern party's prerogative, especially in the current climate, to try and convince the masses they'd be financially better off under their regime.

[Shrenchel]

what is most striking about this thread, is the idea that the BNP is a far right party, when they are in fact espousing mostly the theories of the left:

- large increases in state pensions

- more money for the public sector

- nationalisation of key industries

- worker protection

and to argue the toss about immigration in purely fiscal terms is to put a purely free trader and hence conservative view on it....as hayek noted in the road to serfdom...the battle between socialists and fascists is a battle between brothers.

extremism on either side of the political spectrum is to be treated with comtempt (and is by most decent minded people)

having said that, the BNP views on immigration are particularly disgusting.

if Nick Griffin is such a patriot, he should take heed of one of our greatest writers (who wasnt even born in england):

"The intellectuals who hope to see it Russianised or Germanised will be disappointed. The gentleness, the hypocrisy, the thoughtlessness, the reverence for law and the hatred of uniforms will remain, along with the suet puddings and the misty skies. It needs some very great disaster, such as prolonged subjugation by a foreign enemy, to destroy a national culture. The Stock Exchange will be pulled down, the horse plough will give way to the tractor, the country houses will be turned into children's holiday camps, the Eton and Harrow match will be forgotten, but England will still be England, an everlasting animal stretching into the future and the past, and, like all living things, having the power to change out of recognition and yet remain the same".

-George Orwell

Yeh I agree. A lot of BNP policies are very close to those of someone like Morales. Nationalise the industry to make sure the jobs and the profits go to the indigenous people. Think people just say right wing cus saying economically left-wing but socially far-right authoritarian everytime is a bit of a cock and balls.

[keithweller]

The far right using economically leftist ideas to draw in the masses is hardly a new one.

The terms "right" and "left" immensely simplify politics, most theorists will draw up either something like a horseshoe diagram to represent politics or a four-way, two-axis graph of some description.

To suggest that the BNP are left-wing (and hence imply the left wing are evil?) because they've claimed they'll improve the fiscal situation of the common man is a bit daft. It's every modern party's prerogative, especially in the current climate, to try and convince the masses they'd be financially better off under their regime.

i havent suggested the BNP have said the common man will be better off?

i havent suggested/implied that the left wing are evil, i have said that extremists from EITHER side are.

do you not agree that the BNP poster policies i have mentioned are similar if not the same, to say the SWP etc?

[Finnegan]

Yeh I agree. A lot of BNP policies are very close to those of someone like Morales. Nationalise the industry to make sure the jobs and the profits go to the indigenous people. Think people just say right wing cus saying economically left-wing but socially far-right authoritarian everytime is a bit of a cock and balls.

Think he said it better than I did.

[keithweller]

Think he said it better than I did.

agreed.

[Koke]

We'll see a black Prime Minister before BNP gets into power.

[Shrenchel]

Not if it happens at night.

[andy_croydz]

The BNP have racist policies. They wish to deport everyone who is not white.

If you vote for the BNP - you are either VERY stupid and don't understand their manifesto or you are a bigotted racist.

Could not agree more mate. I know some people who voted BNP without knowing their other policys apart from the one about kicking asian and black people out the country, so they voted for them... <_< I mean WTF kind of reason is that? Really p*ssed me off knowing that but you have to accept that there is some idiots in life and it's just the way the cookie crumbles i'm afraid.

I'm not saying i'm a saint but anyone who is racist is an idiot, pure and simple. You can't seriously think that because someone is a different colour to yourself that they are this or that and they should go back to their own country. I know some good asian and black people, I wouldn't want some party full of criminal d*ckheads to deport them all for no reason whatsoever apart from the fact they weren't white-british.

[Thracian]

Any one who votes NF is a c.unt.

Anyone who JUSTIFIES voting NF is a fcuking cretinous monkey bastard.

You reckon?

Why not consider why a million c.unts (or Brits to me) have voted BNP by looking at some of the issues brought up on the Party's website.

Because, while the BNP have some serious faults, at least they are prepared to stand up and say some of the things which others have been afraid to say or to admit.

http://bnp.org.uk/category/news/

http://scottishbritishandproud.blogspot.co...-girls-for.html

Or this from elsewhere:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5791706178

There would rightly be sustained uproar if white gangs were targeting young Muslim girls or children and I'd be condemning it as much and as loudly as anyone else.

Still not got the message about the BNP vote?

I could give you a lot more reasons if you need them instead of listening to you insulting and condemning a million British people who want to feel valued again and who want to see shorter dole queues, a stop to people taking the piss out of our hospitality, streets that are safe for their daughters to walk along and much, much more.

What bothers me most about the BNP vote is that one hell of a lot of immigrants who are, and have been, bloody good for Britain would likely be victimised in the almost impossible scenario of the BNP ever getting into power. There is no reason and no excuse for it.

But the reasons for people's despair are plain enough to see and all to easily found.

The BNP needs to evolve, and if it does, it may yet reflect far more of what British people want than the now beholden, dithering, uninspiring apology we have leading this country in partnership and an unelected, previously disgraced Lord. However cleverly and deceptively the two or them spin the ball.