FAO BNP Voters (And BNP Haters)

[dandannieldanok]

The BNP needs to evolve

It needs to do the exact opposite unless you want Britain to turn into a racist hell-hole.

[Thracian]

Could not agree more mate. I know some people who voted BNP without knowing their other policys apart from the one about kicking asian and black people out the country, so they voted for them... <_< I mean WTF kind of reason is that? Really p*ssed me off knowing that but you have to accept that there is some idiots in life and it's just the way the cookie crumbles i'm afraid.

I'm not saying i'm a saint but anyone who is racist is an idiot, pure and simple. You can't seriously think that because someone is a different colour to yourself that they are this or that and they should go back to their own country. I know some good asian and black people, I wouldn't want some party full of criminal d*ckheads to deport them all for no reason whatsoever apart from the fact they weren't white-british.

There have been so many unsavories in the Labour Party the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives it beggars belief. You just see what you want to but here's just one example.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/02/another-stoke-to...for-corruption/

[Flynny]

There would rightly be sustained uproar if white gangs were targeting young Muslim girls or children and I'd be condemning it as much and as loudly as anyone else.

Why do you turn your brain off when it comes to this fucking drivel? It doesn't say 'White girls' because only white girls have been targeted, it doesn't say that anywhere. It says 'white girls' because the source is a bigoted moron and the BNP themselves only give a shit about the white victims so that they can portray it as immigrants doing wrong by their hosts.

We all have an innate ability to ignore shortcomings in things than confirm our own beliefs but that you've not only read that and thought "hmm" but linked it on here shows a pretty amazing lack of any critical thought at all.

There are so many unsavories in the Labour Party the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives it beggars belief. You just see what you want to but here's just one example.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/02/another-stoke-to...for-corruption/

The difference is that whilst power will always corrupt some people and stringent safeguards need to be in place to make sure the opportunities for it to do so aren't there, the BNP are bigots from their manifesto upwards. Comparing the two and trying to semi-justify a BNP vote that way is a bit silly really.

[l444ry]

There have been so many unsavories in the Labour Party the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives it beggars belief. You just see what you want to but here's just one example.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/02/another-stoke-to...for-corruption/

That's nothing compared to this band of thugs....

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp...convictions.php

[Guest Bilo]

That's nothing compared to this band of thugs....

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp...convictions.php

Ironic that the BNP would probably introduce the death penalty or whole life tariffs for rapists and paedophiles. It just shows the level of scum who join the party.

[Thracian]

a) Why do you turn your brain off when it comes to this fucking drivel? It doesn't say 'White girls' because only white girls have been targeted, it doesn't say that anywhere. It says 'white girls' because the source is a bigoted moron and the BNP themselves only give a shit about the white victims so that they can portray it as immigrants doing wrong by their hosts.

We all have an innate ability to ignore shortcomings in things than confirm our own beliefs but that you've not only read that and thought "hmm" but linked it on here shows a pretty amazing lack of any critical thought at all.

b) The difference is that whilst power will always corrupt some people and stringent safeguards need to be in place to make sure the opportunities for it to do so aren't there, the BNP are bigots from their manifesto upwards. Comparing the two and trying to semi-justify a BNP vote that way is a bit silly really.

a) It's not like you to be in denial. I left so much out because I didn't want to be over alarmist but let's emphasise the point a little if you insist and if you really want more just let me know.

These things are and have been in the public domain for some time. The BNP might have drawn grater attention to the situation and even made capoital out of it - perhaps it's a good job someone had the courage to - but comment has been made everywhere from Parliament to The Times to local evening papers so why it becomes "drivel" due to my referring to it I don't know.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...?Submitted=true

And following on from that:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog..._into_the_news/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/...&cid=554430

Although the word Asian is used that is just a PC way of masking reality. I read of no Sikh or Hindu involvement in the media coverage whatsoever. Either in these or other cases.

b) Bigot or paedophile, fraudster or violent bully? You do as you wish but I make no excuses for any of them. Furthermore I have not in any way semi-justified a BNP vote. I have pointed out the double standards under which different parties and different people are assessed and merely highlighted various reasons why 1m so-called c*nts have or may have turned to the BNP.

PS: One of the worst aspects of the sexual grooming is the media and police using the term Asian and so unfairly associating all sorts of people with a problem that is much more specific. In fact some brave and decent Muslims have acknowledged the problem and called as vehemently as others for it to be dealt with.

[Thracian]

a) Why do you turn your brain off when it comes to this fucking drivel? It doesn't say 'White girls' because only white girls have been targeted, it doesn't say that anywhere. It says 'white girls' because the source is a bigoted moron and the BNP themselves only give a shit about the white victims so that they can portray it as immigrants doing wrong by their hosts.

We all have an innate ability to ignore shortcomings in things than confirm our own beliefs but that you've not only read that and thought "hmm" but linked it on here shows a pretty amazing lack of any critical thought at all.

b) The difference is that whilst power will always corrupt some people and stringent safeguards need to be in place to make sure the opportunities for it to do so aren't there, the BNP are bigots from their manifesto upwards. Comparing the two and trying to semi-justify a BNP vote that way is a bit silly really.

a) It's not like you to be in denial. I left so much out because I didn't want to be over alarmist but let's emphasise the point a little if you insist and if you really want more just let me know.

These things are and have been in the public domain for some time. The BNP might have drawn grater attention to the situation and even made capoital out of it - perhaps it's a good job someone had the courage to - but comment has been made everywhere from Parliament to The Times to local evening papers so why it becomes "drivel" due to my referring to it I don't know.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...?Submitted=true

And following on from that:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog..._into_the_news/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/...&cid=554430

Although the word Asian is used that is just a PC way of masking reality. I read of no Sikh or Hindu involvement in the media coverage whatsoever. Either in these or other cases.

b) Bigot or paedophile, fraudster or violent bully? You do as you wish but I make no excuses for any of them. Furthermore I have not in any way semi-justified a BNP vote. I have pointed out the double standards under which different parties and different people are assessed and merely highlighted the subject as one of various reasons why so-called c*nts have or may have turned to the BNP.

PS: One of the worst aspects of the sexual grooming is the media and police using the term Asian and so unfairly associating all sorts of people with a problem that is much more specific.

In fact some brave and decent Muslims have acknowledged the problem and called as vehemently as others for it to be dealt with.

[Thracian]

That's nothing compared to this band of thugs....

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp...convictions.php

In fact it was. The list of criminals among main party members was shocking and extensive. I published them all on here once.

But here's some samples. There are plenty more.

http://bnp.org.uk/tag/labour-lib-dem-tory-criminals/

[Koke]

White girls being specifically target for sexual abuse by Muslim men? That's the first I've ever heard of it and I'm in my mid twenties and have lived all over the country. Why have I never heard of this? Have I been living in a small cave all my life? Why hasn't this made headlines? All I see is 2 Asian Muslim men being jailed for a sexual attack on a girl. That's all to it as far as I know.

In our Muslim community we are massively concerned about terrorism and extremist brain washing and recruiting young naive lads and we do our utmost to prevent it although it is never recognized by the national media. But Muslims sexually abusing and raping white girls and then making it out to be an "Islamic" thing rather than see it as a couple of sick vile individuals - that's one of the most bizarre and quite frankly insulting accusations I've ever come across.

I've worked and lived with a lot of Sikh & Hindu lads. I've never even heard a whisper about this before - and I'm not even Pakistani or Indian. I'd like to hear what Dr Singh's view is on this? Cos as far as I know, those news articles are just loads of drivel.

[Koke]

b) Bigot or paedophile, fraudster or violent bully? You do as you wish but I make no excuses for any of them. Furthermore I have not in any way semi-justified a BNP vote. I have pointed out the double standards under which different parties and different people are assessed and merely highlighted the subject as one of various reasons why so-called c*nts have or may have turned to the BNP.

You such a biased individual. It actually worries me that you believe all this drivel written in papers and facebook groups.

If you're such fair person, why don't you highlight the child abuse at certain Catholic churches. Why hasn't the BNP stood up for that? Because it doesn't fit their agenda and white-on-white crimes does nothing whatsoever for BNP. If those crimes happen in Jewish or Muslim communities, the BNP would be on it quicker than you can have a wank and they would milk it for their own purposes.

[Thracian]

If you're such fair person, why don't you highlight the child abuse at certain Catholic churches.

I did do less than a three weeks ago. And have done on various occasions when similar cases have arisen, vehemently condemning both those directly concerned and the authorities who chose to pretend or ignore the fact that it was happening.

I wouldn't have let my kids anywhere near a Catholic Priest.

So how biased am I now? Who else do you want me to have a go at for abusing kids? Conservative party members? Labour Party members? just fire away.

I was just giving examples of why one million "c*nts" might have turned to the BNP. The rest might indicate why many others might have turned away from politics and people in authority or positions of trust altogether.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

White girls being specifically target for sexual abuse by Muslim men? That's the first I've ever heard of it and I'm in my mid twenties and have lived all over the country. Why have I never heard of this? Have I been living in a small cave all my life? Why hasn't this made headlines? All I see is 2 Asian Muslim men being jailed for a sexual attack on a girl. That's all to it as far as I know.

In our Muslim community we are massively concerned about terrorism and extremist brain washing and recruiting young naive lads and we do our utmost to prevent it although it is never recognized by the national media. But Muslims sexually abusing and raping white girls and then making it out to be an "Islamic" thing rather than see it as a couple of sick vile individuals - that's one of the most bizarre and quite frankly insulting accusations I've ever come across.

I've worked and lived with a lot of Sikh & Hindu lads. I've never even heard a whisper about this before - and I'm not even Pakistani or Indian. I'd like to hear what Dr Singh's view is on this? Cos as far as I know, those news articles are just loads of drivel.

Your right, it's all drivel.

Thracian seems to be a trouble maker who is oblivious to the actual facts of the crimes.

Paedophiles/sex offenders exist in all communities yet he feels it's neccesary for all Muslim's to be held responsible's for crimes commited by people with similar names to there's.

His argument is flawed and quite frankly naive.

It's a way of picking on a group cos it's fashionable to do so.

Maybe as a white male I should be held responsible for the crimes other white males have commited??

[Thracian]

White girls being specifically target for sexual abuse by Muslim men? That's the first I've ever heard of it and I'm in my mid twenties and have lived all over the country. Why have I never heard of this? Have I been living in a small cave all my life? Why hasn't this made headlines? All I see is 2 Asian Muslim men being jailed for a sexual attack on a girl. That's all to it as far as I know.

In our Muslim community we are massively concerned about terrorism and extremist brain washing and recruiting young naive lads and we do our utmost to prevent it although it is never recognized by the national media. But Muslims sexually abusing and raping white girls and then making it out to be an "Islamic" thing rather than see it as a couple of sick vile individuals - that's one of the most bizarre and quite frankly insulting accusations I've ever come across.

I've worked and lived with a lot of Sikh & Hindu lads. I've never even heard a whisper about this before - and I'm not even Pakistani or Indian. I'd like to hear what Dr Singh's view is on this? Cos as far as I know, those news articles are just loads of drivel.

You obviously didn't read all that I wrote because I said that Sikhs and Hindus didn't come into it. Do the research yourself by all means. As for the news articles being "drivel" you have to be joking. No-one would publish allegations like that without being sure of their facts. And we are not talking about an isolated case at all.

I draw you attention to just a part of Ann Cryer's comments:

"Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has been at the forefront of attempting to tackle the problem after receiving complaints from mothers in her constituency about young Asian men targeting their under-age daughters.

"Although campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex, she said that attempts to raise the problem with community leaders had met with little success, with most of them being in a state of denial about it."

PS: Again, note the term Asian which is used as an anti-inflamatory but misleading way as you'll see if you read the following.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog..._into_the_news/

No use blaming the messenger.

[Thracian]

Your right, it's all drivel.

Thracian seems to be a trouble maker who is oblivious to the actual facts of the crimes.

Paedophiles/sex offenders exist in all communities yet he feels it's neccesary for all Muslim's to be held responsible's for crimes commited by people with similar names to there's.

His argument is flawed and quite frankly naive.

It's a way of picking on a group cos it's fashionable to do so.

Maybe as a white male I should be held responsible for the crimes other white males have commited??

No-one is holding anyone responsible for someone else's crimes. Let alone "all Muslims". As usual people are pretending I've said things that I have neither said nor implied seemingly to deflect away from reality.

A poster called the million BNP voters c*nts and I've simply cited cited this as just one of the things that may have pushed people into voting as they did, particularly in north where the issue attracted a lot of attention and where BNP voting was strong.

[Thracian]

We'll see a black Prime Minister before BNP gets into power.

You're right and perhaps it will be for the best. Because in another 20 years of Labour-encouraged social engineering there won't be many white folk left and few will be able to tell the different races apart, so ethnicity won't be an issue any longer. Perhaps they'll even be having campaigns to save endangered species of humans.

[Sir Fynwy]

You really enjoy putting this hateful retoric on here don't you Tony.

[Dr The Singh]

You reckon?

Why not consider why a million c.unts (or Brits to me) have voted BNP by looking at some of the issues brought up on the Party's website.

Because, while the BNP have some serious faults, at least they are prepared to stand up and say some of the things which others have been afraid to say or to admit.

http://bnp.org.uk/category/news/

http://scottishbritishandproud.blogspot.co...-girls-for.html

Or this from elsewhere:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5791706178

There would rightly be sustained uproar if white gangs were targeting young Muslim girls or children and I'd be condemning it as much and as loudly as anyone else.

Still not got the message about the BNP vote?

I could give you a lot more reasons if you need them instead of listening to you insulting and condemning a million British people who want to feel valued again and who want to see shorter dole queues, a stop to people taking the piss out of our hospitality, streets that are safe for their daughters to walk along and much, much more.

What bothers me most about the BNP vote is that one hell of a lot of immigrants who are, and have been, bloody good for Britain would likely be victimised in the almost impossible scenario of the BNP ever getting into power. There is no reason and no excuse for it.

But the reasons for people's despair are plain enough to see and all to easily found.

The BNP needs to evolve, and if it does, it may yet reflect far more of what British people want than the now beholden, dithering, uninspiring apology we have leading this country in partnership and an unelected, previously disgraced Lord. However cleverly and deceptively the two or them spin the ball.

Thracian, you can't be serious can you, you can't say, yes the BNP have some great policies but the ones that are facist and racist is ok to ignore in hest of those that are good!!

And the bit about evolving is seriously flawed, a leopard does not change it's spots, you should be asking for the likes of Conservatives and Labour to evolve!!

[Guest Bilo]

Stories about Muslim youths targeting white girls for sex have been heard before, but to present this as a cultural or religious phenomenon is rather disingenuous. The reasons behind this are the same as white pimps targeting white girls; greed and opportunism. In other words, the religious upbringing of the perpetrators is incidental seeing as one of the examples included drug dealing, a sin in Islam. Indeed, it carries the death penalty in almost every Islamic country. Thus, contrary to the implications of the BNP and the tabloids, those Muslims mentioned have not behaved in the interests of their faith and I would suggest that Islam was far from from their mind while committing their crimes.

[Dr The Singh]

White girls being specifically target for sexual abuse by Muslim men? That's the first I've ever heard of it and I'm in my mid twenties and have lived all over the country. Why have I never heard of this? Have I been living in a small cave all my life? Why hasn't this made headlines? All I see is 2 Asian Muslim men being jailed for a sexual attack on a girl. That's all to it as far as I know.

In our Muslim community we are massively concerned about terrorism and extremist brain washing and recruiting young naive lads and we do our utmost to prevent it although it is never recognized by the national media. But Muslims sexually abusing and raping white girls and then making it out to be an "Islamic" thing rather than see it as a couple of sick vile individuals - that's one of the most bizarre and quite frankly insulting accusations I've ever come across.

I've worked and lived with a lot of Sikh & Hindu lads. I've never even heard a whisper about this before - and I'm not even Pakistani or Indian. I'd like to hear what Dr Singh's view is on this? Cos as far as I know, those news articles are just loads of drivel.

I've heard it all before, it's nothing new, unfortunately the past history between Sikhs and Muslims (I must stress it's pakistanis and those from the indian subcontinent)erupts in 2nd and 3rd generation Britons.

Does this thing happen???? For what pupose and what degree????

We need to get a perspective, there have been reports that suggest such trafficking does occur but it's a very small number were talking possibly around 50 - 100 a year, and that's a minute number compared to say british pakistanis forcefully marrying there daughters\sons daughters and keeping them in pakistan, even more smaller compared child prostitution in mumbia which has over 2000 children forced into prostitution daily, and has 33 million child prostitutes in the whole nation!!

I know from personal experience, and have seen brit pakistani muslim lads portray themselves as Sikhs to entice Sikh girls, they would wear the steel bangle (Kara), use Sikhs names etc. Is this a method to entice to convert, or just pull a sikh girl for fun or for hatred of sikhs?????? If it's for hatred or converting, it's wrong, and I must stress this I have seen by a minority brit pak muslims, majority I know would never stoop so low!! I must also admit, I have been abroad in the past and portray myself as either spanish or cypriot to entice the ladies, so am I as bad as them!!!

SO Kareem the answers is, yes it does happen, it's done by certain group of muslims not all, and is done due there hatred of Sikhs, it's very rare in the grand scheme of things, but it's not right and SIkh's will do whatever to stop it!! Unfortunately Kareem, there are minorities within the communities of brit pak muslims, that are hellbent on there hatred, and for eg birmingham every year during SIkh festivals they go to cause trouble, hence at a religious celebration heavy police presence is required but the oppposite cannot be said of the Sikhs, ive never known Sikhs to ruin a eid festival etc!!!! But in saying that there are Sikhs that have hatred for muslims and hold grudges, and overspill them into violence and stupidity!! the wghole thing comes down to education, knowing the truth and common sense!!

IMO in many cases muslim communities especially those from the indian subcontinent tend to stick together and live in the same area, they tend to shut themselves from the 'outside' world and become enclosed. This causes problems with integration, the previous problems associated with other religions in there ancestrial homes are brought with them and those ingorances aswell. We live in Leicester and some would say the muslim communityis far more integrated then those in bradford, oldham, birmingham (perry bar, cape hill, borsall heath etc), and if you were to compare thse communities with the Sikh commonities , you will find the Sikhs are far more integrated, successful, live in a much broader areas of those cities!!!!

The issue of conversion is thus, Muslims are very strict on the fact they will only marry muslims, hence a Sikh\Athiest etc will need to convert, the Islamic faith does not warrant interfaith marriage and it's a sin, and the social stigma that goes with it. And from experience, I know Sikh boys\girls who are told unless they convert the relationship will end, so they have a choice between the person they love and there religion, this is a pressured choice one that should not happen in todays free world!!

Unfortunately apostates from Sikhism, face social stigma and conflicts between there families, although there is no sin attached to apostaty in Sikhism!!! Hence the possible apostate has pressure and faces ostrititaion from peers and family. This may overspill to hatred and violence between the 2 communities!!!

[Koke]

Singh, thanks for the reply. I must admit I honestly have never heard of this before. This is completely new to me. Then again I am not Pakistani nor Indian so I guess these stories does not reach our rather small community.

I'm quite shocked and never thought some Pakistanis had this much hatred inside them that they would such length as portraying themselves as Sikhs. I feel like having lived in a cave blind folded all my life - utterly shameful and despicable behaviour.

I'm going to Friday Prayer in a couple of hours, and I'll find out if anyone in our Arab/Somali community has ever heard or seen this sick vile behaviour. Maybe people do know about it, and it's just me who have lived in la la land for the past 25 years.

[Dr The Singh]

Singh, thanks for the reply. I must admit I honestly have never heard of this before. This is completely new to me. Then again I am not Pakistani nor Indian so I guess these stories does not reach our rather small community.

I'm quite shocked and never thought some Pakistanis had this much hatred inside them that they would such length as portraying themselves as Sikhs. I feel like having lived in a cave blind folded all my life - utterly shameful and despicable behaviour.

I'm going to Friday Prayer in a couple of hours, and I'll find out if anyone in our Arab/Somali community has ever heard or seen this sick vile behaviour. Maybe people do know about it, and it's just me who have lived in la la land for the past 25 years.

Kareem, buddy, like I say it's a minority, and from what I hear it happens mostly at the university scene where most people are unaware of anybodies background!!

Unfortunately, we (sikhs\hindu\muslims) have brought our previous differences from our forefathers to this nation, one must understand that the partition of punjab\india left over 2 million hindu\sikhs\muslims dead, displaced or as refugee's, then there's the mogul, afghan, turk, iranan invasion\tyranny of the indian subcontinent. Unlike the british empire which has come and gone, the islamic empires have manifested itself into the nations of pakistan and bangladesh, and a hindu nation of hindustan, and with those nations still fighting over land, persecuting freedom movements, there will be inherent hatred between them!!!

The arab and other muslims, do not carry this baggage and tend to totally oblivious to such notions, infact i doubt if any of them know anything about sikhs, pooojab or anything about the indian subcontinent!!!

[samuel]

So anyone on here vote for the BNP ?

Yes me...And I'm bloody proud of it too!

[Corky]

Yes me...And I'm bloody proud of it too!

Why exactly?

[Tabou]

Why exactly?

Beer kills braincells.

[Manwell Pablo]

Beer kills braincells.

You just don't like them because they'd deport you back to gay land.