Promotion

[Lillehamring]

Would you like your dummy back?

We can only benefit financially from promotion if managed well. The last time we had a sustained run, the club was nearly bankrupted. Yes, it was only one contributing factor, but a factor nonetheless.

It isn't about not wanting us to win, or wanting us to be relegated. It's a shame you're so blinkered you can't see the bigger picture and appreciate that for some of us promotion would bring mixed feelings. But I seriously doubt you're capable of empathy.

lisa, you know full well that it isn't fair to compare the current city regime and, indeed, football in general with the Taylor era - most clubs at that time were being frivolous with money - and mandaric seems like the kind of bloke that won't throw around money foolishly.

ans as for your mixed feelings, it seems you are determined to err towards the dismissive and pessimistic with them, whilst us pro-promtioners have acknowledged certain strengths of the CCC, seeing as we may well end up here next year, i don't recall you saying a single thing good about the prem, i think perhaps it is you, on this occasion, that is being blinkered

[Daggers]

mandaric seems like the kind of bloke that won't throw around money foolishly.

Which Mandaric? Is the new owner going to be called Mandaric too? Surely you can't be referring to the abject cretin who mismanaged the club absolutely upon taking it over? The same bloke who brought in a friend to be DOF, a succession of piss-poor appointments and a string of over-paid, underperforming players?

The same Mandaric who is still part of an ongoing police investigation?

The same Mandaric who left Portsmouth, under a cloud of false promises and lies, with debts which are dragging them down to the nether reaches of football?

Nah.

Must be some other Mandaric.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Which Mandaric? Is the new owner going to be called Mandaric too? Surely you can't be referring to the abject cretin who mismanaged the club absolutely upon taking it over? The same bloke who brought in a friend to be DOF, a succession of piss-poor appointments and a string of over-paid, underperforming players?

The same Mandaric who is still part of an ongoing police investigation?

The same Mandaric who left Portsmouth, under a cloud of false promises and lies, with debts which are dragging them down to the nether reaches of football?

Nah.

Must be some other Mandaric.

Have I missed something? Didn't realise that it was his fault and not the bloke who bought the club. Explain?

[Lillehamring]

Which Mandaric? Is the new owner going to be called Mandaric too? Surely you can't be referring to the abject cretin who mismanaged the club absolutely upon taking it over? The same bloke who brought in a friend to be DOF, a succession of piss-poor appointments and a string of over-paid, underperforming players?

The same Mandaric who is still part of an ongoing police investigation?

The same Mandaric who left Portsmouth, under a cloud of false promises and lies, with debts which are dragging them down to the nether reaches of football?

Nah.

Must be some other Mandaric.

ok he made some bad decisions with managers, but i haven't seen him spend 5 million pounds on ade akinbyi.

and for all his poor choices, he seems to have brought in the best scouting team in years.

i don't particularly like the bloke, but he is hardly spending us into bankruptcy.

and i don't imagine that would change if we are in the prem or relegated with parachute payments.

dodgy or not, no one could accuse mandaric of spending frivolously.

[Sir Fynwy]

MM is a saint, he hasn't increased the debt at city and would never consider doing so if it might allow him to sell the club at a massive profit.

Although the January window is coming up and we may be in with a shout for promotion, where's the cheque book?

[Shrenchel]

ok he made some bad decisions with managers, but i haven't seen him spend 5 million pounds on ade akinbyi.

and for all his poor choices, he seems to have brought in the best scouting team in years.

i don't particularly like the bloke, but he is hardly spending us into bankruptcy.

and i don't imagine that would change if we are in the prem or relegated with parachute payments.

dodgy or not, no one could accuse mandaric of spending frivolously.

Did you miss the bit where we made a 14.2 million pound loss (almost 3 times the previous record) and banged 7 million quid on the club debt?

[Daggers]

ok he made some bad decisions with managers

No, he hasn't spent 5 million on one player: He spent more than that on several sacks of shit who weren't even proper football players. And the management teams who brought them in. And the agents. And the guy who recommends the Youtube clips to him.

This is a bloke who wanted to bring in an overpaid hasbeen in Hasslebank, who then tried to foist an (almost) overpaid player who'd not touched a ball for 18 months on us.

We have a decent scouting network now because he lucked in Pearson, not by any managerial or fiscal nous on his part. This is not the guy who Probity Monthly will be using as a cover model, the Adam Smith Institute will not be having him around as a guest speaker for their Xmas bash.

[maddog]

It's simple if we have a fantastic CCC season we will get promoted.

If we don't we don't.

And we will just have to deal with it whatever happens.

I'm pretty certain we will see Premier League football again sooner rather than later though.

[Raj]

I forgot what an amazing club we had before MM arrived.

It was bliss!!!!!!!

Good job i never lost money on the shares i bought when we went into administration with him here.....

[Daggers]

I forgot what an amazing club we had before MM arrived.

It was bliss!!!!!!!

Good job i never lost money on the shares i bought when we went into administration with him here.....

Seeing as you have a problem with reading, Raj: The recent run of posts reference the comment "mandaric seems like the kind of bloke that won't throw around money foolishly".

You want to believe he is some kind of Messiah - knock yourself out.

[Raj]

Seeing as you have a problem with reading, Raj: The recent run of posts reference the comment "mandaric seems like the kind of bloke that won't throw around money foolishly".

You want to believe he is some kind of Messiah - knock yourself out.

No,im still waiting for our "LOCAL" Leicester multi millionarie to pump millions into our great club,just like thay have done in the past.....

P.S

Love to know where you get your "Facts" from.

Hilarious!!

[Sir Fynwy]

No,im still waiting for our "LOCAL" Leicester multi millionarie to pump millions into our great club,just like thay have done in the past.....

P.S

Love to know where you get your "Facts" from.

Hilarious!!

Come of it Raj, the Trust were just about to buy city and make us the biggest club in Europe when MM stole it from under them.

[Raj]

Come of it Raj, the Trust were just about to buy city and make us the biggest club in Europe when MM stole it from under them.

We REALLY would have been in the shit then!!!!

Im still waiting for The Weetabix owner/the House Builder Mr Wilson man/Rosemary Conley/Engelbert Humperdink/Tom from Kasabian/Carl and Lisa From Foxestalk Consortium to buy out MM!!!

[Sir Fynwy]

We REALLY would have been in the shit then!!!!

Im still waiting for The Weetabix owner/the House Builder Mr Wilson man/Rosemary Conley/Engelbert Humperdink/Tom from Kasabian/Carl and Lisa From Foxestalk Consortium to buy out MM!!!

Unfortunately that deal fell through, I couldn't get on with the other consortium members, you forgot Tom Wheatcroft, Gary Lineker and that chap from carphone warehouse.

[Raj]

Unfortunately that deal fell through, I couldn't get on with the other consortium members, you forgot Tom Wheatcroft, Gary Lineker and that chap from carphone warehouse.

And the members of shawaddywaddy.....and the cafe owner from Coro....think thats enough now eh???

P.S One day we could even have our stadium named as an email account,THAT would be superb!!!!!

[demon_dog]

Promotion or no promotion that is the question?

If you take away the chance of promotion from any sport, then in my opinion you take away the competition.

There's no point in playing in the league. You may as well play just for fun whenever or wherever you wish.

That aside the question is do we really want promotion. the answer is Seemple tch, tch.

We are in the football league, this means competitive games throughout the season, the answer therefore is as stated above.

The next question is, in the event of promotion do we wish to remain in the premier league, again the answer is as above.

It has been mentioned that in the event of promotion, that the club in it's desire to maintain premiership status, could overspend and leave itself balancing on a financial tightrope.

This of course all depends on the club owner and board of directors.

This happened to us NOT because we were in the premiership, but because we had a board who spent money before it had received it.

We could all spend money that is supposedly promised, only the foolish do so.

Is MM such a fool?

[Guest]

Thinking outside the box would be applying to join the North Atlantic league with Rangers, Celtic and Ajax.

What you are doing is thinking about yourselves and how the premiership will affect you personally, you have every right to express your view and I agree with some of your grievances with the Prem, but you must agree for the good of the club, no matter how much you may dislike it, we need to be in the Prem we need the Sky money, the parachute payments and the plastic supporters and we must be aiming to establish ourselves as a Premiership force.

If it wasn't for Sky, then this discussion would be redundant.

lisa, you know full well that it isn't fair to compare the current city regime and, indeed, football in general with the Taylor era - most clubs at that time were being frivolous with money - and mandaric seems like the kind of bloke that won't throw around money foolishly.

ans as for your mixed feelings, it seems you are determined to err towards the dismissive and pessimistic with them, whilst us pro-promtioners have acknowledged certain strengths of the CCC, seeing as we may well end up here next year, i don't recall you saying a single thing good about the prem, i think perhaps it is you, on this occasion, that is being blinkered

First of all, as Daggers has pointed out, Mandaric? Foolish?

Secondly, I said that the Premiership would kill football before it started. It has done nothing to change my view. It was promised so much, and has so far failed to deliver. Unless you're a fan of certain clubs.

If you take away the chance of promotion from any sport, then in my opinion you take away the competition.

There's no point in playing in the league. You may as well play just for fun whenever or wherever you wish.

Really? So what happens with PL winners? Oh yes, the Champions League. And the winners of that? Oh yes, that Mickey Mouse cup everyone scoffs at. But where do the winners from that go?

Hmmmm.

[Captain...]

If it wasn't for Sky, then this discussion would be redundant.

In what way? In that if it wasn't for Sky you would have no problem with the PL, or that if it wasn't for the Sky money then there would be no benefit in playing in the PL.

First of all, as Daggers has pointed out, Mandaric? Foolish?

Jury is still out for me on MM, he has made mistakes, but it would be worth it in the long run if we get back to where we belong.

Secondly, I said that the Premiership would kill football before it started. It has done nothing to change my view. It was promised so much, and has so far failed to deliver. Unless you're a fan of certain clubs.

How has it killed football? I don't really remember much pre prem, my first season following football was the last of the old, old second division

Really? So what happens with PL winners? Oh yes, the Champions League. And the winners of that? Oh yes, that Mickey Mouse cup everyone scoffs at. But where do the winners from that go?

Hmmmm.

They are the Champions, the best, at that moment in time they can consider themselves the best team in the country, the continent, the world. That is we love sport, that is why we play it, that is why we watch it.

If you want 90 minutes of guaranteed entertainment go to the cinema, if you want 90 minutes of passion, boredom, skill, controversy, fire, hope, despair, frustration, joy and disappointment, or a combination of all or none of the above then go to the Walkers.

[Father Ted]

If we get promoted then we get promoted - let's make the best of it.

If not, let's go up the season after, or the season after that, or the season after that...

[Guest]

In what way? In that if it wasn't for Sky you would have no problem with the PL, or that if it wasn't for the Sky money then there would be no benefit in playing in the PL.

Do you not find it sad that money is the overriding factor, not football?

Jury is still out for me on MM, he has made mistakes, but it would be worth it in the long run if we get back to where we belong.

No comment. For reasons.

How has it killed football? I don't really remember much pre prem, my first season following football was the last of the old, old second division

Because it is all about the money.

They are the Champions, the best, at that moment in time they can consider themselves the best team in the country, the continent, the world. That is we love sport, that is why we play it, that is why we watch it.

This was in response to someone saying that there is no point in taking part without promotion.

If you want 90 minutes of guaranteed entertainment go to the cinema, if you want 90 minutes of passion, boredom, skill, controversy, fire, hope, despair, frustration, joy and disappointment, or a combination of all or none of the above then go to the Walkers.

I don't need to be told how to spend my free time.

[Ford Super Sunday]

Do you not find it sad that money is the overriding factor, not football?

To be fair, the greedy bastards were out in force before Sky came along, due to the formation of the Premier League

That league was set up (before Sky came calling) because greedy chairmen like Martin Edwards, Alan Sugar and others were upset that they had to share the TV money with every other club in the football league.

Money has been the overiding factor in football for over 20 years now, the fact it's got so profitable and money is so vast is the sad part now

[Guest]

To be fair, the greedy bastards were out in force before Sky came along, due to the formation of the Premier League

That league was set up (before Sky came calling) because greedy chairmen like Martin Edwards, Alan Sugar and others were upset that they had to share the TV money with every other club in the football league.

Money has been the overiding factor in football for over 20 years now, the fact it's got so profitable and money is so vast is the sad part now

I know, but Sky epitomises it all for me. You could go back even further, and start blaming the players. If Jimmy Hill hadn't got rid of the wage cap, then footballers wouldn't be entertaining ideas of being paid obscene amounts of money. Etc.

Like I posted earlier, I'm a footballing Marxist.

[Captain...]

Do you not find it sad that money is the overriding factor, not football?

That's life, I personally dislike the whole concept of money and attributing value to everything, but that's a whole other issue.

For me the overriding factor is success, to be the best, it is possible on a smaller budget to get a good level of success, but we need the prem money to settle the debts of prior mis-management and that's a sad truth.

I don't want us to be in the prem so we have more money I want us to be there so we can compete with and play against the best, to compete we will need to strengthen the squad to do that we need money, especially as our record with home grown talent is abysmal.

Trasfer fees are a joke and have been since the first million pound player, but it is market forces and supply side economics which is to blame as much as Sky. Admittedly they have marketed the EPL to death for their own purposes and have pushed up demand and therfore prices in the process. I am friends with a few Liverpool fans and for them it is a constant source of frustration at the amount of tickets going out to travel agencies for day tripper fans from all over the world at the expense of real fans. So yes I understand what you mean when you say Sky has ruined it. On the other hand it has turned it into the strongest league in the World and attracts the best players.

Money is a factor, but football should always come first, and for me that means competing at the top.

I don't need to be told how to spend my free time.

It wasn't aimed at you individually, it should have read as "one should go to the cinema" but I always feel like a berk writing "one".

Although you do have to admit that some games in the CCC are dire affairs and are nothing like entertainment, and it will be the same in any division. You never know which city team will turn up and how they will play, and that's why we love 'em.

Come on the foxes, as long as you play with passion I'll love you.

(I did say I was going to stop writing in this thread for a few days didn't I?)

[Guest]

That's life, I personally dislike the whole concept of money and attributing value to everything, but that's a whole other issue.

For me the overriding factor is success, to be the best, it is possible on a smaller budget to get a good level of success, but we need the prem money to settle the debts of prior mis-management and that's a sad truth.

I don't want us to be in the prem so we have more money I want us to be there so we can compete with and play against the best, to compete we will need to strengthen the squad to do that we need money, especially as our record with home grown talent is abysmal.

Trasfer fees are a joke and have been since the first million pound player, but it is market forces and supply side economics which is to blame as much as Sky. Admittedly they have marketed the EPL to death for their own purposes and have pushed up demand and therfore prices in the process. I am friends with a few Liverpool fans and for them it is a constant source of frustration at the amount of tickets going out to travel agencies for day tripper fans from all over the world at the expense of real fans. So yes I understand what you mean when you say Sky has ruined it. On the other hand it has turned it into the strongest league in the World and attracts the best players.

Money is a factor, but football should always come first, and for me that means competing at the top.

It wasn't aimed at you individually, it should have read as "one should go to the cinema" but I always feel like a berk writing "one".

Although you do have to admit that some games in the CCC are dire affairs and are nothing like entertainment, and it will be the same in any division. You never know which city team will turn up and how they will play, and that's why we love 'em.

Come on the foxes, as long as you play with passion I'll love you.

(I did say I was going to stop writing in this thread for a few days didn't I?)

Whatever division we're in, I will be there. And yes you did!

[CosbehFox]

Although you do have to admit that some games in the CCC are dire affairs and are nothing like entertainment, and it will be the same in any division. You never know which city team will turn up and how they will play, and that's why we love 'em.

I've been five or six League 2 games this season and on average, it's four goals a game. Take a side like Rochdale, same division for so many years but the football they've have been playing the past three years is as good as anyone else in the Football League. Their fans appear quite happy with it.