Promotion

[OLD norfox]

In 1977 I was at Filbert Street for the first time and a lifelong love with LCFC started. I wish I could bring Filbert Steet back, and still would like to see Mark Wallington, Paul Ramsey, Larry May and Andy Peake in the lineups !!!! I'm an old man now and my dreams are just fantacy. But I'm among those who think things were better before

But one thing I still know for sure !!!!!! I want Leicester to WIN every single match every week . Do I want us to get promoted ??? Its a silly q!!!!!!

I don't go to every match , I live in Norway and try to manage to go too 4- 5 matches a year but I never do I want us to promote ???? Allways

[suffolk fox]

Personally I want us to get promoted and I want us to win the Premier League.

People can laugh and say realistically it winning the Premier League is a possibility for 4 clubs but on paper it isn't.

It's 11 men against 11 men on match day and over a duration of 90 minutes why shouldn't we be capable of out scoring the opposition no matter who we play? The difference in technical ability between a one of the top four sides and the rest isn't that great. If it was they'd spank team week in/week out, which they don't/

You don't need a team of big name players to win the league, you just need the team with better abilty, work ethic, tactics and squad harmony.

..... or have I spent to long on FM this week?

It's 11 men against 11 men on match day and over a duration of 90 minutes why shouldn't we be capable of out scoring the opposition no matter who we play? The difference in technical ability between a one of the top four sides and the rest isn't that great. If it was they'd spank team week in/week out, which they don't/

This made me laugth cos it doesn't apply. When you play the likes of Man ure at Old Trafford.....you are also playing against the ref, fourth official and ferguson himself! Plus you can guarantee if any team is drawing against them or indeed winning there will be the obligatoury 6 minutes added on time to contend with!!

That's why I don't like the Premier league it is always bias towards the bigger Clubs!!

[The Doctor]

TBH i'd rather stay in the football league simply because, despite what some people say, the standard in the CCC is that much worse than the premiership and the football league is a whole lot more exciting than the premiership. For instance, let's look at league 1 last year, peterborough and MK Dons , both newly promoted teams, were fighting for promotion while carlisle , who were in the play-offs the year before, almost got relegated. This happens in at least one division of the football league almost every season but when was the last time you saw say burnley challanging for the premier league title while arsenal struggled to stay up?

[Sly]

TBH i'd rather stay in the football league simply because, despite what some people say, the standard in the CCC is that much worse than the premiership and the football league is a whole lot more exciting than the premiership. For instance, let's look at league 1 last year, peterborough and MK Dons , both newly promoted teams, were fighting for promotion while carlisle , who were in the play-offs the year before, almost got relegated. This happens in at least one division of the football league almost every season but when was the last time you saw say burnley challanging for the premier league title while arsenal struggled to stay up?

If Liverpools form continues as is .... they could be heading towards the Championship!

[Lillehamring]

I didn't say it made you any less of a fan, I've lived abroad, doesn't make you any less a fanatic. Clearly though, it makes issues around following the team home and away of pretty low importance. As much as you try to empathise, if something is not gunna affect you then you're not too likely to really give a fvck.

it's not about giving a fuck or not, i know that the only thing keeping my old man in leicester is the football, i know how important attending is, but football is slowly pricing all but an elite rich breed of supporter out of the game. languishing in the CCC isn't going to stop that, the gap in prices between the top of the CCC and bottom of the prem is not so massive.

for me to attend a game is, obviously, prohibitively expensive, if prices double as people seem to almost be prophesing, then that makes it even less likely that i can afford to fly over for the 1 or 2 games a season i now treat myself to, so of course it affects me.

what i'm trying to get across is that, to LCFC, the rewards of the premiership outweigh the strain on the pocket of the average fan. it's going to happen whether you like it or not, and if it's going to happen i'd rather have a few seasons in the premiership, now and again, and have the club earn some money, will you hate sky if it means the club owns the walkers again, if it means we can have a reserve team program?

all i can say to those who dream of decades of coventryesque CCC obscurity is think of the years under Adams, Levein, Holloway et al. is that what you really aspire to? cause that will be the reality, the odd succesful finish in 8th place. let's face it since the evil premiership was formed the only good seasons we've haad in the CCC are the one's where we have been promoted, evrything else either frustration at missing out or miserable relegation dog fights.

sure, some elements of the prem suck, but so do the some elements of the CCC.

[Lillehamring]

I know what Lisa is saying, I don't like the premier either. But if handled correctly promotion could wipe out many of the clubs debts, if MM stayed and used is wisely (slim chance I know). Sod buying £5m players on 30k a week, use the money to pay off the stadium.

:thumbup:

Long term future > short term glory.

In reality if we got promoted we'd be sold, someone would pump in millions to buy players we can't afford and then do a runner two years later leaving us in the shit.

[Head Honcho]

I don't fear promotion at all.

In my opinion half the current Premier League teams are punching above their weight and are all beatable.

I'm not saying they don't deserve to be there just that they could just as easily be in the Championship as the Premiership.

[Tilley]

Are we much smaller than Wigan, Hull, Birmingham, Wolves, Stoke, Burnley etc

Really?

[Head Honcho]

Are we much smaller than Wigan, Hull, Birmingham, Wolves, Stoke, Burnley etc

Really?

You can also add Bolton and Pompey and at a push Blackburn and West Ham.

[Guest]

Sign me up comrade!....

At it's highest levels the EPL is a great example of everything that is wrong about football, it's ruthless exploitation of all forms of money making leaves the sport of football much the poorer. I am a great believer that you play football to win but in the EPL in particular the lengths that some clubs go to in order to maintain their place on the gravy train is sickening. The deification of star players many of whom do not deserve your respect let alone admiration, the routine abuse given to officials, often by players and club officials who are nothing more than cheap cheats themselves leaves me cold.

As for the abuse handed out by so called fans to players and officials, well....... :dunno:

On the other hand it is, for our club, the pinnacle of our sport and it would be absurd not to aspire to be the best you can, why else play? I just want my club to maintain a bit of dignity in the way it behaves and honesty in it's dealings with it's community and for a club of our size that is entirely possible. Just look at the examples set by clubs like Burnley, Sunderland, even WBA who despite relegation have put their money to good use and continue in good shape.

Blimey; I agree with you!

[marbelladave]

Blimey; I agree with you!

Don't worry.

Lie down in a dark quiet room, it will pass.

[MPH]

I actually think the premier league is at its poorest standard for a while. Not including the top 5-6 teams.

with established teams like portsmouth and to some extent Bolton struggling... this could potentially be the best season for a long while to get promoted. Teams get stronger the longer they are in the prem and there are a lot of small and relatively new teams in there...

[CosbehFox]

I actually think the premier league is at its poorest standard for a while. Not including the top 5-6 teams.

with established teams like portsmouth and to some extent Bolton struggling... this could potentially be the best season for a long while to get promoted. Teams get stronger the longer they are in the prem and there are a lot of small and relatively new teams in there...

Said the same recently. You have 6 sides who look poor and then a couple of established sides looking a bit dodgy. That said it's no bad thing cos the league's competitive from a neutrals pob.

I think the Championship are also looks rather average. Maybe it's just an extension of the big 4 becoming a bigger 7?!?

[Corky]

Are we much smaller than Wigan, Hull, Birmingham, Wolves, Stoke, Burnley etc

Really?

Bigger than Birmingham and Wigan.

On a par with Wolves.

[Captain...]

Are we much smaller than Wigan, Hull, Birmingham, Wolves, Stoke, Burnley etc

Really?

Nope, for one thing we have higher average attendances than Wigan, Bolton, Burnley, Birmingham and Portsmouth. Hull, Fulham and Blackburn are about the same as us. Fairplay to Stoke and Wolves though, some impressive figures there.

For those that don't want us to get promoted, picture the scene playoff final 0-0 and we are in extra time 5 minutes left and the players just stop playing allow Forest to walk the ball in to the back of the net, so as to avoid promotion.

How would you feel?

Maybe the following season, after we have sold our better players and we are grinding out 1-0 victories away to Doncaster you will be happy that it cost £25 rather than £30.

The Championship is a bastard of a division to get out of, and we have only managed it once in the last 4 seasons, and that was the wrong way. If we can get promoted this season I can't believe that anyone on here would be upset, we may all have to brace ourselves for a long slog and a couple of drubbings but who honestly thought that the team MON got us promoted with was good enough for the prem?

After scraping into the play offs on the last day of the season and scoring in the last minute of extra time at Wembley who would have predicted the success that followed, on such a minimal budget too.

If we have a chance of promotion we have to take it, maybe we will come straight back down like in 1994-95 but looked what happened after that, maybe it will be like last time who knows but the chance, no matter how small, of bringing some glory back far outweighs the prospect of consolidation and season after season of championship mediocrity.

[Guest]

For those that don't want us to get promoted, picture the scene playoff final 0-0 and we are in extra time 5 minutes left and the players just stop playing allow Forest to walk the ball in to the back of the net, so as to avoid promotion.

How would you feel?

And like I keep pointing out, if you bothered to read, it's not that simple. Is it.

[Captain...]

And like I keep pointing out, if you bothered to read, it's not that simple. Is it.

I have bothered to read what you and other people have put and there seem to be 2 reasons for not wanting us to get promoted.

1. We'll get hammered every game - see my point above about the team MON got us promoted with.

2. Oooh I don't like the premiership, it's not as fun, and it's more expensive, blah, blah, I'm a selfish so and so who is putting myself ahead of the club.

Promotion will only benefit the club and if managed well it could provide the platform for years of success and if anyone doesn't like it don't go to any matches stay at home praying we get relegated because it is better for you, I'm sure that there will be a plastic fan out there who will take your seat for the season and you can have it back when we get relegated and they have lost interest.

I can't wait to hear the latest chant at the Walkers

E-I-E-I-E-I-O

Up the football league we go,

When we get promotion,

This is what we'll sing

We'd rather be in the Championship, the prices are too high, there are too many games on a sunday, where have all these fans come from, I resent Sky's money and dominance of the game...

A bit of a mouthful but I'm sure it'll catch on.

[Guest]

I have bothered to read what you and other people have put and there seem to be 2 reasons for not wanting us to get promoted.

1. We'll get hammered every game - see my point above about the team MON got us promoted with.

2. Oooh I don't like the premiership, it's not as fun, and it's more expensive, blah, blah, I'm a selfish so and so who is putting myself ahead of the club.

Promotion will only benefit the club and if managed well it could provide the platform for years of success and if anyone doesn't like it don't go to any matches stay at home praying we get relegated because it is better for you, I'm sure that there will be a plastic fan out there who will take your seat for the season and you can have it back when we get relegated and they have lost interest.

I can't wait to hear the latest chant at the Walkers

E-I-E-I-E-I-O

Up the football league we go,

When we get promotion,

This is what we'll sing

We'd rather be in the Championship, the prices are too high, there are too many games on a sunday, where have all these fans come from, I resent Sky's money and dominance of the game...

A bit of a mouthful but I'm sure it'll catch on.

Would you like your dummy back?

We can only benefit financially from promotion if managed well. The last time we had a sustained run, the club was nearly bankrupted. Yes, it was only one contributing factor, but a factor nonetheless.

It isn't about not wanting us to win, or wanting us to be relegated. It's a shame you're so blinkered you can't see the bigger picture and appreciate that for some of us promotion would bring mixed feelings. But I seriously doubt you're capable of empathy.

[Captain...]

Would you like your dummy back?

We can only benefit financially from promotion if managed well. The last time we had a sustained run, the club was nearly bankrupted. Yes, it was only one contributing factor, but a factor nonetheless.

It isn't about not wanting us to win, or wanting us to be relegated. It's a shame you're so blinkered you can't see the bigger picture and appreciate that for some of us promotion would bring mixed feelings. But I seriously doubt you're capable of empathy.

I am looking at the bigger picture and in that big picture I can't see you, I can't see me, we are indsitinguishable against the thousands of city fans, all I can see is our club and how it can get where it belongs, which is in the elite division, challenging for honours and bringing pride to the city of Leicester.

[Guest]

I am looking at the bigger picture and in that big picture I can't see you, I can't see me, we are indsitinguishable against the thousands of city fans, all I can see is our club and how it can get where it belongs, which is in the elite division, challenging for honours and bringing pride to the city of Leicester.

Well some of us are thinking outside of the box. You don't know any of us, but of all those who have expressed any cynicism about the PL, in this or any other thread, that I do know were absolutely buzzing outside Loftus Rd the other night. We all want to be proud of out team, but we don't have to like the PL.

[Captain...]

Well some of us are thinking outside of the box. You don't know any of us, but of all those who have expressed any cynicism about the PL, in this or any other thread, that I do know were absolutely buzzing outside Loftus Rd the other night. We all want to be proud of out team, but we don't have to like the PL.

Thinking outside the box would be applying to join the North Atlantic league with Rangers, Celtic and Ajax.

What you are doing is thinking about yourselves and how the premiership will affect you personally, you have every right to express your view and I agree with some of your grievances with the Prem, but you must agree for the good of the club, no matter how much you may dislike it, we need to be in the Prem we need the Sky money, the parachute payments and the plastic supporters and we must be aiming to establish ourselves as a Premiership force.

[Sir Fynwy]

Thinking outside the box would be applying to join the North Atlantic league with Rangers, Celtic and Ajax.

What you are doing is thinking about yourselves and how the premiership will affect you personally, you have every right to express your view and I agree with some of your grievances with the Prem, but you must agree for the good of the club, no matter how much you may dislike it, we need to be in the Prem we need the Sky money, the parachute payments and the plastic supporters and we must be aiming to establish ourselves as a Premiership force.

I go to the football to watch Leicester City, I don't care who we play or what division they are in, I want to be entertained, in the most part the EPL is about as entertaining as watching paint dry, the smaller teams play holding football or long ball. The last 2 seasons have seen us play much more entertaining football. Even the highlights of the MON seasons in the EPL saw us playing a bland style of football.

I also don't care about how much we earn as a club as long as we live within our means.

[Daggers]

I'm a selfish so and so who is putting myself ahead of the club.

[Captain...]

I go to the football to watch Leicester City, I don't care who we play or what division they are in, I want to be entertained, in the most part the EPL is about as entertaining as watching paint dry, the smaller teams play holding football or long ball. The last 2 seasons have seen us play much more entertaining football. Even the highlights of the MON seasons in the EPL saw us playing a bland style of football.

I also don't care about how much we earn as a club as long as we live within our means.

As I said I agree with and understand the grievances, and I would hate us to turn into Bolton but I would rather see us win than an entertaining defeat, always. Obviously the ideal situation would be a entertaining victory against top class opposition. I would love to see us competing with the likes of Man U and Liverpool and we only need to look at Hull at the start of last season and Burnley this season to see that you can be a smaller club, play good football and compete in the Prem. Lets not kid ourselves we haven't played entertaining football in every game this season and I can't see us turning in to the Blue Brazil any time soon regardless of the division we are in.

Regards smaller teams playing holding football was it not the same case in League 1? Did teams not come to the Walkers just to defend? I like the CCC it's an exciting division where there isn't a gulf between the big teams and the small teams and anyone can beat anyone, and I will miss it when we get promoted.

[Captain...]

OK, last I'm going to say on this (for at least a few days anyway)

Lets not pre judge a premiership season before we are even promoted.

Honestly I don't think we will get promoted this season, I don't think we are good enough and I can think of 3 better teams in the CCC, but if we do I will be ecstatic.

When we do get promoted I know that you will still support the foxes in the prem (even through gritted teeth for some of you) and we have no idea how we will compete or how we will play, but the only way to find out is to wait and see.

I love a good internet debate in the morning, but now I have some work to do.