Zingari Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Wouldn't the US Military and NASA be better off offering this guy a top job ? The US wants to try 43-year-old Gary McKinnon, from Wood Green, north London, for what it calls the biggest military computer hack of all time http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/2...non-extradition
Fox92 Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 As he is that clever, yes, you really would think they would use his brains.
hairy Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Unfortunately with our government brown-nosing the americans in our "special relationship" (i.e. they say "bend over" and we say "let me get lube") means the guy is fecked. It wouldn't happen in any other European country. Saw Mr Vaz getting in on the act the other day so he is doubly fecked now.
C-man Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 So McKinnon, a genuinely ill guy may go down for 60, and that iPod hacker gets rewarded with a mint job with Apple. Something's not right with the world.
Katy Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 So McKinnon, a genuinely ill guy may go down for 60, and that iPod hacker gets rewarded with a mint job with Apple. Something's not right with the world. It says a lot when your own country screws you over. Alan Johnson needs to grow a pair.
Jon the Hat Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 So McKinnon, a genuinely ill guy may go down for 60, and that iPod hacker gets rewarded with a mint job with Apple. Something's not right with the world. This will be the difference between hacking apple, where brilliance is valued, and hacking the government where it makes their guys look bad...
breadandcheese Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 To be fair, I can understand why the Americans are pretty p*ssed. Although the story in our media is that he was just some autistic guy hacking in to find evidence for the existence of UFOs, he also left anti-american messages on their systems and deleted files from their networks. Deleting files is effectively destroying property so I can understand why the Americans are annoyed. As someone else mentioned, the best bet is to give him a job as he's clearly very good at hacking.
Fosse Boy Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The fact our government are supporting this is nothing short of disgraceful. This special friendship bollocks seems very, very one sided.
Katy Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 To be fair, I can understand why the Americans are pretty p*ssed. Although the story in our media is that he was just some autistic guy hacking in to find evidence for the existence of UFOs, he also left anti-american messages on their systems and deleted files from their networks.Deleting files is effectively destroying property so I can understand why the Americans are annoyed. As someone else mentioned, the best bet is to give him a job as he's clearly very good at hacking. What we have to remember though is that his condition can make him do things that, to him, may be normal but to people without the condition is unacceptable.
BoneDog Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The guy isn't really a hacker though I don't think. He didn't even have to use passwords, every password was blank. I saw a 45 minute interview of him the other day. He seems like he has respect for the law and has tried to give some advice about the total lack of security on the places he visited. He was only interested in finding stuff about UFO's. The only people who should be in trouble here are the people who run all the military sites he went on cos they are liabilities. There are thousands of people right now doing exactly the same thing that Gary is in trouble for. And not all of them will be harmless ufo guys like him.
BoneDog Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The new laws that have appeared recenetly to allow the US government to extradite any UK citizen without any evidence of wrongdoing are an interesting part of this story.
BoneDog Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The US government are also taking the piss when they say this is 'the biggest military computer hack of all time'.
Head Honcho Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 What we have to remember though is that his condition can make him do things that, to him, may be normal but to people without the condition is unacceptable. .........then maybe locking him up would be the best option!
Finnegan Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Big up Wood Green! Woop woop! Proper ghetto, that is. None of your Braunstone, New Parks, Highfields rubbish.
Katy Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 .........then maybe locking him up would be the best option! Do you really believe that? Because of so you are recommending locking up everyone who had a learning disability, who may behave inappropriately at times.
Guest Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Big up Wood Green! Woop woop!Proper ghetto, that is. None of your Braunstone, New Parks, Highfields rubbish. Local pride from Finners
Head Honcho Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Do you really believe that? Because of so you are recommending locking up everyone who had a learning disability, who may behave inappropriately at times. I'm not in favour of him being sent to the US to face trial but the guy needs treatment. Am I right in saying that the guy is a savant and not autistic?
Finnegan Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Local pride from Finners . Haringey's such a shit hole. It's immense the amount of news stories that come out of there to be honest.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 This government has behaved disgracefully over this issue and I hope it comes back to haunt them. The treatment of McKinnon is akin to a microcosm of Labour's contempt for civil liberties and human rights at the behest of a US government that so shamefully claims to represent 'the land of the free.' McKinnon is not a well man, but appears wholly benign from what has been seen. Be it Guantanamo, extraordinary rendition or any other number of crimes that this government has colluded with the Americans in, I think we can safely say that anyone who values human rights and individual freedoms will not be saddened to see the back of this shameful excuse for a government when they are kicked out. The problem is, will their replacements really be any better? Cameron and the Tories were pro-Iraq and have talked of scrapping the Human Rights Act repeatedly. (not that the Labour government that passed it don't pick and choose when it applies) Worrying times lie ahead I imagine and McKinnon is merely one of many who have been screwed over by this unholy alliance of war-mongerers who have the audacity to claim they're fighting for freedom.
l444ry Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The guy isn't really a hacker though I don't think. He didn't even have to use passwords, every password was blank. I saw a 45 minute interview of him the other day. He seems like he has respect for the law and has tried to give some advice about the total lack of security on the places he visited. He was only interested in finding stuff about UFO's. The only people who should be in trouble here are the people who run all the military sites he went on cos they are liabilities. There are thousands of people right now doing exactly the same thing that Gary is in trouble for. And not all of them will be harmless ufo guys like him. Not sure it's as black or white as that, Empty. In that was the case, why did he leave this message on one of the US Defence Department computers? "US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year…I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels." Doesn’t this suggest that his motives were not only political but malicious? Doesn’t sound much like a "harmless UFO guy" to me. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle4628575.ece
purpleronnie Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 So McKinnon, a genuinely ill guy may go down for 60, and that iPod hacker gets rewarded with a mint job with Apple. Something's not right with the world. He wont go down for that much when I was in the states you hear about all these 'possible sentences' they rarely get them.
Leicfox Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 The US government are also taking the piss when they say this is 'the biggest military computer hack of all time'. Correct. It was Matthew Boderick in War Games.
BoneDog Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Not sure it's as black or white as that, Empty.In that was the case, why did he leave this message on one of the US Defence Department computers? "US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year…I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels." Doesn’t this suggest that his motives were not only political but malicious? Doesn’t sound much like a "harmless UFO guy" to me. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle4628575.ece From what I've seen I'd say he is harmless. He may of left a few messages to show his resentment of some of their policies but I don't think he had intentions to do any harm. What he said about the security stand-down on Sep 11th is true so I would pat him on the back for saying that to them. I'm not saying he shouldn't be in a bit of trouble for what he did, cos he obviously knew what he was doing was against the law, but he doesn't deserve being moved half way across the world to serve 60 years in prison. I'd say even 3 years in an English prison would be harsh in this case.
BoneDog Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Never knew he'd been on Richard and Judy Good video this to hear what he says. There a better one but it an hour long. He was on a 56k modem so he couldn't download anything from them cos it was way too slow. The damage claim is bullcrap, I've read something about that a while back that to me proved the claim was made up to make the offence seem worse than it is.
skinnydipper Posted 27 November 2009 Posted 27 November 2009 Don't recall the U.S government falling over themselves to extradite suspected IRA terrorists to the U.K Strikes me that within this so called special relationship it's the U.K that's on all fours waiting to take it up the a**e
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