Guest ttfn Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 Pretty simple , really..Crouch : 20 goals in 38 international games. do we have ANY other striker playing at the moment who has a BETTER than 1 in 2 scoring ratio for England? Sure, Heskey does alot for the team... but so does the person who washes the kit. And we keep using the person who washes the kit. So let's keep using Heskey.
Foxhateram Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 And we keep using the person who washes the kit. So let's keep using Heskey. Crouch concedes a free kick every time he jumps for the ball due to his clumsy stick like arms flingging about all over the place. Heskey jumps with power and gets the ball and knocks it on. Crouch gets the ball stuck between his feet, Heskey holds the ball up well and uses his strength to do this. Dont rate Crouch never have done, his record for scoring in England games is good but how many of those have been really vital games? most have been friendly's vs shite sides. Heskey was a key man in setting up some of the goals we scored to qualify and therefore he deserves to keep his place.
potter3 Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 People keep going on about Crouch goal scoring record which fair enough, is very good. But they're mostly against far weaker teams, hat trick vs Jamaica for example. I don't know who we should play out of the two, but I do think Crouch's record is overstated, and it's not all about goals, even for a striker.
James. Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 The problem with Heskey is a) He doesn't score enough goals and b) He doesn't win enough in the air, 2 things you can't say about Crouch. If there's room in the squad for Heskey I've no problem with that but he should never be picked ahead of Crouch. The irony about Crouch is that for an 8ft tall bloke he's actually pretty crap in the air.
sdb Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 He scored against Trinidad.Crouch is the obvious choice. If Heskey didn't have Leicester connections this wouldn't even be debated. That's not true. Heskey was Capello's 1st choice number 9 in qualifying when England scored a record breaking amount of goals. Leicester or not that's gotta stand him in good stead.
sdb Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 As for Crouch he's done very well for England. I'm not a big fan myself (did he and Rooney link up even once on Weds?) but his goal record is too good, even if 1 on Weds was offside and half his goals have come vs 3 of the worst teams in international football. I also agree that many continental refs penalise him a lot. England play better with Heskey (who, yes, is poor in front of goal) and I hope Capello remembers that. I also wish people would realise it. I also love how for the last year 'Defoe has HAD to start for England'. He does, doesn't score, Crouch comes on and does, and now 'Crouch HAS to start'. What is it about England that makes everyone judge players on 10/20/45 mins of football?!
dandannieldanok Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 I also love how for the last year 'Defoe has HAD to start for England'. He does, doesn't score, Crouch comes on and does, and now 'Crouch HAS to start'. What is it about England that makes everyone judge players on 10/20/45 mins of football?! People who want Crouch in are judging him on 20 goals in 38 England appearances, not just 10/20/45 minutes of football. It's not worth arguing on this forum anyway, Heskey will always be no.1 for the majority on here. This despite a fair majority of Villa fans who want shot of him.
Tony Pine Posted 7 March 2010 Posted 7 March 2010 crouch's record speaks for itself heskey being in englands best performances speaks for itself rooneys form at the moment speaks for itself so it's cole/defoe/zamora
leicesterfox86 Posted 9 March 2010 Posted 9 March 2010 People who want Crouch in are judging him on 20 goals in 38 England appearances, not just 10/20/45 minutes of football. It's not worth arguing on this forum anyway, Heskey will always be no.1 for the majority on here. This despite a fair majority of Villa fans who want shot of him. I love Heskey, of course I do, but with my England hat on...I'm just not sure he is playing enough football. Rooney enjoys playing along side Heskey and Crouch.... but as this football blog on World Cup bettinghighlights - Crouch scores the goals as well. Emile, simply doesn't. To be honest though, I'd be tempted with this.... Lennon Barry Lampard Milner Gerrard Rooney Crouch to come on if needs be. Thoughts?
dandannieldanok Posted 9 March 2010 Posted 9 March 2010 To be honest though, I'd be tempted with this.... Lennon Barry Lampard Milner Gerrard Rooney Crouch to come on if needs be. Thoughts? Wouldn't want that in the group stage personally, think we need to get on the front foot and not mess about against the weaker opposition we face. That line-up you've put up may be more useful when we'll need to defend more against the top 10 nations as Gerrard can slip in easily and make a 5-man midfield. Rooney is definitely good enough to play on his own up top, but I wouldn't want him wasting his energy in a lone-striker role against the likes of Algeria, Slovenia, and the USA, it isn't necessary.
leicesterfox86 Posted 28 April 2010 Posted 28 April 2010 Very funny... to hear a different argument on all of this though - this football blog on England's World Cup players suggests that the national team doesn't need role models. Interesting view especially all that has gone on lately, but it reckons players should be allowed to get away with the occasional mistake off the field.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Barry doubtful... Get Hargreaves in the provisional squad, have a look at him (he's got a month to get fit), if he's not fit, he's not fit. But in a provisional squad of 30, surely a risk worth taking?
Big Ol' Bob Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Why bother with Hargreaves, and hoping he becomes fit in time, when we already have a holding midfielder who has been on top form for the past two seasons in Scott Parker. West Ham's player of the season again this year and IMO should be on the plane to South Africa, much better than Huddlestone and Carrick at playing the defensive role.
Samilktray Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Much rather take a risk with Hargeaves or take Huddlestone than Parker.
Edmund Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Parker is a very underrated player. At times he carries the West Ham side single handedly.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Why bother with Hargreaves, and hoping he becomes fit in time, when we already have a holding midfielder who has been on top form for the past two seasons in Scott Parker. West Ham's player of the season again this year and IMO should be on the plane to South Africa, much better than Huddlestone and Carrick at playing the defensive role. But I reckon we need 2 players to play that position anyway. And Parker's a good player but nowhere near as good as some people have been making out. He's a solid premier league performer, but is not in the same league as Hargreaves. Will be interesting to see if Hargreaves gets any game time tomorrow
Peter File Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Hargreaves would need to start the game, surely. 60 seconds in two years isn't that impressive, I think he certainly needs to impress tomorrow. I do like Hargreaves, hope he does miraculously get fit for the world cup. Although I think Carrick has done enough under Capello to have secured his place on the plane.
Joe. Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Hargreaves is a terrible shout, the lack of football the man's had over the last two years should position him nowhere near Capello's line of thought in my opinion. Realistically he's more likely going to go for Huddlestone or Parker, the latter of which deserves his shot after another fine season with struggling West Ham.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Forgot Owen Hargreaves even existed. Great player.
Edmund Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Hargreaves is a terrible shout, the lack of football the man's had over the last two years should position him nowhere near Capello's line of thought in my opinion. Realistically he's more likely going to go for Huddlestone or Parker, the latter of which deserves his shot after another fine season with struggling West Ham.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 Hargreaves is a terrible shout, the lack of football the man's had over the last two years should position him nowhere near Capello's line of thought in my opinion. Realistically he's more likely going to go for Huddlestone or Parker, the latter of which deserves his shot after another fine season with struggling West Ham. I don't understand what the harm is in having a look at him. He doesn't have to be in the final 23 if he's not fit.
Big Ol' Bob Posted 8 May 2010 Posted 8 May 2010 I don't understand what the harm is in having a look at him. He doesn't have to be in the final 23 if he's not fit. Yeah but instead of having a look at someone who has been injured for two years, why not have a look at someone who plays in the same role and has been voted his clubs player of the season two years in a row and has been on top form all season?
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