z-layrex Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 I hope to god Crouch isnt anywhere near the starting line up for the World Cup. Why man he's got the best goal scoring record?
dandannieldanok Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 I swear if I gave you the choice between winning the World Cup with Heskey playing every minute but not scoring, or crashing out of the group stages with Crouch scoring 17 you'd go for option B. Hardly, but is me thinking England are more likely to be successful with Crouch in the team really that difficult to understand. There's no argument to draw upon, just look at his goalscoring record. Someone tell me why picking Crouch in an England 11 is so ludicrous, am I missing something? I don't get what the problem is, the bloke can't win with people.
purpleronnie Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Crouch should walk it, he's too dangerous not to be picked. Not much competition either.
The Blur Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 I noticed that.Everything good's happened since Walcott went off. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. England's 5th choice right winger, Have you forgetten his role in the 4-1 win over Croatia? Granted he is not at his best now but give him a break!
purpleronnie Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Have you forgetten his role in the 4-1 win over Croatia?Granted he is not at his best now but give him a break! You can't get in a squad after 1 good performance. He's not playing much for arsenal so I don't know why he's in the squad as capello has mentioned so many times he only picks players who play. Lennon's injury probably means walcotts going to be very lucky, I'd take lennon over walcott everyday, we are so lacking in pace though.
lildave3 Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Hardly, but is me thinking England are more likely to be successful with Crouch in the team really that difficult to understand. There's no argument to draw upon, just look at his goalscoring record. Someone tell me why picking Crouch in an England 11 is so ludicrous, am I missing something? I don't get what the problem is, the bloke can't win with people. I'm not saying it's that ludicrous. What's ludicrous is your hatred of Heskey despite him playing a pretty big role in our excellent qualifying campaign. Have you forgetten his role in the 4-1 win over Croatia?Granted he is not at his best now but give him a break! You can't live off one game for christ sake! He's all hype.
dandannieldanok Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 I'm not saying it's that ludicrous. What's ludicrous is your hatred of Heskey despite him playing a pretty big role in our excellent qualifying campaign. I don't hate Heskey, I just think his role is way way over-hyped, especially when fans and Capello (for his whole reign before last night) alike continually denounce/ignore Crouch. Heskey: Contributed to England's qualifying campaign? Yes. Could, and would, we have done it without him? Yes, comfortably.
dandannieldanok Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Heskey > Crouch.At the end of the day. In your opinion. Depends what you want from a striker really. I think you'll find those in the best place to judge at the minute, Villa fans, would probably disagree with you.
Wycombe Fox Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 My only real doubt about Crouch takes me back to the last World Cup when he didn't get a look-in due to how some continental refs view his style of play. If I remember correctly, he was penalised nearly every time he went for the ball.
Mikey Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 I personally think Heskey is better than Crouch at everything apart from goal scoring. Heskey gives the chance for other attacking players to become a bigger threat 'cos he's so good at brining them into play. Hence Rooney being the top scorer in the whole qualifying campaign. Don't think we'd get that with Crouch.
Joe. Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Crouch should get into the England first team every day of the week for me. His goalscoring his absolutely second to none, and he's a constant threat to opposition defences whenever he pulls on the shirt it seems. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Heskey fan, but I think going with Crouch is the best way forward for England right now. You only have to look at last night to see how he can change a game quickly. He's got a great touch, and still brings others into play just in the way that Heskey himself does. I think we've hopfully proved that the Rooney - Defoe combination is largely ineffective, so whilst Rooney is an obvious automatic pick, I'd rather Defoe played alongside somebody like Heskey if we're struggling for a goal. It's a good selection headache for Capello, but I'd be massively surprised if it wasn't anything other than Rooney and Crouch starting up front against the USA on June 12th.
Bryn Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Nah I reckon he'll stick with Heskey. Injuries permitting he'll stick with his qualifying team I'd say.
Tony Pine Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 not sure if this has been discussed, but were in big trouble if we play baines/warnock with gerrard. his refusal to actually operate on the left is gonna leave them wide open to being raped by players with pace/crossing ability. I think milner should start out there.
Webbo Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 My only real doubt about Crouch takes me back to the last World Cup when he didn't get a look-in due to how some continental refs view his style of play.If I remember correctly, he was penalised nearly every time he went for the ball. He scored against Trinidad. Crouch is the obvious choice. If Heskey didn't have Leicester connections this wouldn't even be debated.
Guest ttfn Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 He scored against Trinidad.Crouch is the obvious choice. If Heskey didn't have Leicester connections this wouldn't even be debated. I can't understand the debate. It's Heskey every day of the week. For the first hour at least. Crouch and Defoe are good options off the bench. If you think about England's greatest performances since Heskey's debut, what do we have: Germany 1-5 England (Heskey played) Argentina 0-1 England (Heskey played) England 3-0 Russia (Heskey played) Croatia 1-4 England (Heskey played) England 5-1 Croatia (Heskey played) In big games, Heskey performs. He doesn't have to score - it's well documented that that's not the point. The team works well with Heskey. If it's not working after an hour then take him off, because he's not going to get a goal in the last few minutes when we're desperate.
lildave3 Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 He scored against Trinidad.Crouch is the obvious choice. If Heskey didn't have Leicester connections this wouldn't even be debated. Yeah but that should have been disallowed
Mikey Posted 4 March 2010 Posted 4 March 2010 Crouch should get into the England first team every day of the week for me. His goalscoring his absolutely second to none, and he's a constant threat to opposition defences whenever he pulls on the shirt it seems. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Heskey fan, but I think going with Crouch is the best way forward for England right now. You only have to look at last night to see how he can change a game quickly. He's got a great touch, and still brings others into play just in the way that Heskey himself does. I think we've hopfully proved that the Rooney - Defoe combination is largely ineffective, so whilst Rooney is an obvious automatic pick, I'd rather Defoe played alongside somebody like Heskey if we're struggling for a goal. It's a good selection headache for Capello, but I'd be massively surprised if it wasn't anything other than Rooney and Crouch starting up front against the USA on June 12th. Exactly. Him coming off the bench is a great option to change a game, like last night.
James. Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 Crouch is the obvious choice. If Heskey didn't have Leicester connections this wouldn't even be debated. Yeah it would. On here Heskey receives a fair amount of negative comments and in any case Crouch is certainly not an obvious choice when you look at the impact Heskey has made in previous England games. I think Crouch is absolutely ideal for bringing on later in a game. When Crouch comes on defences have to change their focus which isn't easy to do especially after they've been barged about by Emile for 70 minutes. He's the ideal super sub. Heskey will create room for Rooney and like ttfn said above you only have to look at the correlation between Heskey playing and England putting in excellent performances to realise it's a headache for Capello.
PAULCFC Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 Went to the game on Wednesday and was sitting next to an Arsenal fan who wasn't suprised how Walcot played.He hasn't done it for Arsenal this season,but to be fair has and is being played out of postition.For me the game changed when we bought on SWP.At least he took on their defence andwe didn't go for the Oaklyesque crosses that don't beat the first man.
AyewJoking Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 We missed Heskey in the first half against Egypt but Capello is mad if he doesnt play Rooney and Crouch at the world cup. Ultimately though I reckon Capello will ask Rooney who he wants alongside him and I bet he prefers Heskey.
Webbo Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 Yeah it would. On here Heskey receives a fair amount of negative comments and in any case Crouch is certainly not an obvious choice when you look at the impact Heskey has made in previous England games.I think Crouch is absolutely ideal for bringing on later in a game. When Crouch comes on defences have to change their focus which isn't easy to do especially after they've been barged about by Emile for 70 minutes. He's the ideal super sub. Heskey will create room for Rooney and like ttfn said above you only have to look at the correlation between Heskey playing and England putting in excellent performances to realise it's a headache for Capello. The problem with Heskey is a) He doesn't score enough goals and b) He doesn't win enough in the air, 2 things you can't say about Crouch. If there's room in the squad for Heskey I've no problem with that but he should never be picked ahead of Crouch.
lavrentis Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 Heskey seems to spend more time on the floor than in the air but he's not bad. Crouch scores more goals which is what we need.
MPH Posted 6 March 2010 Posted 6 March 2010 Pretty simple , really.. Crouch : 20 goals in 38 international games. do we have ANY other striker playing at the moment who has a BETTER than 1 in 2 scoring ratio for England? Sure, Heskey does alot for the team... but so does the person who washes the kit.
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