sdb Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Very true, he's not exactly the man you want to come off the bench when you're desperate for a goal in the last 10 minutes. That's why u start him and have Crouch and Defoe on the bench if needs be. It's got nothing to do with his Leicester past. It's because i've watched England with Heskey in the early Erikkson days and during the Capello era and we've looked brilliant, and i've seen us play without him in the 2nd half of Sven's time and during the McLaren days and we've been god awful. He makes the team an actual 'team'. How people can't see his effect on the likes of Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard is beyond me.
Tilley Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 That's why he should start. EDIT: Just to clarify, If I had my way we'd play 4-3-3 and Heskey wouldn't be anywhere near the team but seeing as Fabio is intent on playing 4-4-2 then I'd start Heskey ahead of Crouch. Yeah, you're right, I wish we'd play 4-3-3 but Capello doesn't seem to like it. If he wants to play four across midfield then I'd rather see: Lennon - Lampard - Barry - Milner Gerrard Rooney Or Milner/SWP could play on the right or Cole on the left. Just wish Hargreaves hadn't been out for so long and could play in Barry's role.
Brainy Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Jose Chilavert, keeper, 74 caps 8 goals Rene Higuita, keeper, 68 caps 8 goals Emile Heskey, 58 caps 7 goals
Fox You Forest Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 The most surprising thing is how much of a vagrant Nick Collins looks nowadays.
Koke Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Jose Chilavert, keeper, 74 caps 8 goals Rene Higuita, keeper, 68 caps 8 goals Emile Heskey, 58 caps 7 goals We rely on Rooney. So we play the best man for Rooney. And that man is Heskey, whether we like it or not. If Rooney get injured we are ****ed regardless. Bent or Defoe won't make a difference in a months of Sundays. So we make sure Rooney gets the best support system around him, and Heskey is the best man for that. As I said earlier, Capello picks his players based on how they fit into the structure he has set in. If we are only going purely on form then Bent would starting next to Rooney - but it isn't that simple.You need the right players for the right system. It's not as straightforward as picking the most in-form 11 players, and throw them into the pitch. There's a lot more thinking and strategy involved than that.
sdb Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Jose Chilavert, keeper, 74 caps 8 goals Rene Higuita, keeper, 68 caps 8 goals Emile Heskey, 58 caps 7 goals Heskey doesn't take our set peices
Ozwin Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 We rely on Rooney. So we play the best man for Rooney. And that man is Heskey, whether we like it or not. If Rooney get injured we are fucked regardless. Bent or Defoe won't make a difference in a months of Sundays. So we make sure Rooney gets the best support system around him, and Heskey is the best man for that. As I said earlier, Capello picks his players based on how they fit into the structure he has set in. If we are only going purely on form then Bent would starting next to Rooney - but it isn't that simple.You need the right players for the right system. It's not as straightforward as picking the most in-form 11 players, and throw them into the pitch. There's a lot more thinking and strategy involved than that. Exactly, Steve McClaren tried and failed in that regard. Capello know's what he's doing, he's already shown balls by dropping Walcott, McClaren would never have done that.
Dames Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 That's why u start him and have Crouch and Defoe on the bench if needs be. It's got nothing to do with his Leicester past. It's because i've watched England with Heskey in the early Erikkson days and during the Capello era and we've looked brilliant, and i've seen us play without him in the 2nd half of Sven's time and during the McLaren days and we've been god awful. He makes the team an actual 'team'. How people can't see his effect on the likes of Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard is beyond me. This. Heskey brings out the best of whoever he's paired with he doe's himself no favors but everyone else around him benefits. Just look at the downfall of Michael Owen since he's not played with Heskey, he's gone from one of the hottest strikers in the world to a bench warmer.
Wycombe Fox Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 ...and whilst this farce is taking place, Crystal Palace are about to become extinct. Wouldn't wish that on any club and it's fans.
Tilley Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Emile Heskey has had 8 shots on target all season, Jermaine Defoe had 7 on target against Wigan at home. Emile Heskey has scored 3 goals all season, 2 of which were against Burnley. Emile Heskey never managed more than 1 shot on target in any single league game last season. Most interestingly, in 31 games this season, Heskey has set up a whole 2 goals.
Tilley Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Goalscoring chances created for their team this season... 1. Lampard - 114 2. Gerrard - 80 3. Baines - 77 4. Milner - 69 5. Rooney - 56 6. Huddlestone - 54 7. Crouch - 53 8. Barry - 52 9. Lennon - 41 10. Defoe - 37 11. Parker - 34 12. G. Johnson - 34 13. A. Johnson - 33 14. Wright-Philips - 32 15. Carrick - 31 16. Bent - 30 17. J. Cole - 29 18. A. Cole - 29 19. Warnock - 27 20. T. Walcott - 23 21. Heskey - 20
dandannieldanok Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 And there goes the myth that Emile Heskey is an amazing provider of chances and goalscoring opportunities.
sdb Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 no ones said Heskey's had a good season. He's only played half the games this season, often coming on as a defensive minded sub to maintain posession, "Rooney's last 10 England games with Heskey - 9 goals. Rooney's last 10 England games without Heskey - 2 goals." - that's off the BBC earlier. People have memories like goldfish when it comes to Heskey in an England shirt.
Dames Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Stat whores will always argue that Heskey doesn't deserve to be in the team based on selective stats. The fact remains that most of England's best performances and results in the past 10 years have all come with Heskey in the starting 11.
dandannieldanok Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Stat whores will always argue that Heskey doesn't deserve to be in the team based on selective stats. Selective stats? The fact, pointed out by Tilley earlier, is that Heskey is woefully out-of-form, neither scoring, threatening to score, or create goalscoring chances for others. There really aren't any more stats to look at are there?
Babylon Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 And there goes the myth that Emile Heskey is an amazing provider of chances and goalscoring opportunities. Firstly he hasn't played for most of the season, secondly creating chances isn't always about providing the final ball. Pulling players out of position, having two players go to him etc creates space for others to get in. Bent as looked out of depth with England when he's had his few chances. Even though he doesn't score at least Heskey looks like he can contribute something to the game. Lets be honest, they are all a bit shit really. It's a case of better the devil you know.
Wycombe Fox Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Keepers: Joe Hart, David James, Robert Green. Defenders: Jamie Carragher, Ashley Cole,Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Ledley King, John Terry, Matthew Upson, Stephen Warnock. Midfielders: Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Shaun Wright-Phillips. Strikers: Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Emile Heskey, Wayne Rooney.
Tilley Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Heskey has played an average of 41 minutes per game out of the 31 he has featured in, by my reckoning he should have had more assists and goals in that time.
dandannieldanok Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Firstly he hasn't played for most of the season, secondly creating chances isn't always about providing the final ball. Pulling players out of position, having two players go to him etc creates space for others to get in. Bent as looked out of depth with England when he's had his few chances. Even though he doesn't score at least Heskey looks like he can contribute something to the game. Lets be honest, they are all a bit shit really. It's a case of better the devil you know. He hasn't played most of the season because his fitness is unreliable and Aston Villa generally don't see him as good enough. So that old excuse just points out more failings of the guy. They aren't all shit. Rooney is an exceptional player, Crouch is a real handful and has scored a bagful at international level, Defoe and Bent have been in cracking form and scored a bagful in the Premier League.
Dames Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Selective stats? The fact, pointed out by Tilley earlier, is that Heskey is woefully out-of-form, neither scoring, threatening to score, or create goalscoring chances for others. There really aren't any more stats to look at are there? Firstly he hasn't played for most of the season, secondly creating chances isn't always about providing the final ball. Pulling players out of position, having two players go to him etc creates space for others to get in. Bent as looked out of depth with England when he's had his few chances. Even though he doesn't score at least Heskey looks like he can contribute something to the game. Lets be honest, they are all a bit shit really. It's a case of better the devil you know. I think Babs answered the question and said pretty much what i was going to say. There's also the point that Heskey isn't selfish and is a good outlet you know if you get the ball to him he'll 9/10 do something constructive with it instead of running down a blind alley and having the ball come right back at you.
Dames Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Its also worth noting that we don't actually have a left sided midfielder. Why wasn't Ashley Young called up, He's miles better than SWP.
Corky Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Surprised Walcott isn't going, not through recent form but I thought Capello really wanted him to go beforehand. Pleased Emile is going, can't understand why Dawson wasn't given any playing time in the two games and also Upson going ahead of him.
Brainy Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 The reasoning that Heskey has barely played all season is just another reason as to why he shouldn't have been picked. I understand Bent hasn't looked good for England but he's played about 90mins worth, he scored 24 goals this season to Heskey's three. There goes the myth that players are picked on form. I'd have liked somebody like Carlton Cole there, conradicting myself as he had a spell out of the game this season and isn't in hot goalscoring form, but atleast he has some pace.
sdb Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 The reasoning that Heskey has barely played all season is just another reason as to why he shouldn't have been picked. I understand Bent hasn't looked good for England but he's played about 90mins worth, he scored 24 goals this season to Heskey's three. There goes the myth that players are picked on form. I'd have liked somebody like Carlton Cole there, conradicting myself as he had a spell out of the game this season and isn't in hot goalscoring form, but atleast he has some pace. DID YOU NOT WATCH ANY OF ENGLANDS (RECORD BREAKING) QUALIFICATION?!!?!?!? JESUS!! If the squad was picked on form it'd consist of Rooney, Dawson, Hart, Lampard, A Johnson and nobady else. Hardly any English players have had a good end of season. Darren Bent never has, never will be good enough for international football.
Brainy Posted 1 June 2010 Posted 1 June 2010 Issue here though is that we won't be facing teams like Belarus, Kazakhstan and Andorra in the WC. The top sides will suss us out.. if we're relying on Heskey to win us the WC then ohmygoodgod.
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