dandannieldanok Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 As long as King plays against USA and is rested for knockout stages, we'll be absolutely fine. Think King is better than Rio anyway. Yes but if the squad numbers are to be looked at then King is not the next choice behind Rio and Terry, it's Upson.
Tilley Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Yes but if the squad numbers are to be looked at then King is not the next choice behind Rio and Terry, it's Upson. I'd like, well hope, to think that Capello is intelligent enough to realise the form of King and the difference in quality compared to Upson.
Samilktray Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Aslong as Carragher gets no where near that starting 11 I dont mind who plays.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 If Upson plays ahead of King now, I might have to start self harming.
Fox You Forest Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Aslong as Carragher gets no where near that starting 11 I dont mind who plays. +1
Webbo Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 King will probably play as the holding Midfielder against the USA.
Wycombe Fox Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 It's a shame for Ferdinand but I'm not too disappointed that he's out from a footballing aspect. Dawson has had a very good season and Ferdinand can be a defensive liability at times. In my opinion he didn't deserve to be made captain either.
Matt Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Not one Arsénal Player... oh dear... Yet there are 6 current and former Arsénal players in the France team.
Jimothy Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Not one Arsénal Player... oh dear... They had more players at the last World Cup than any other team in the world with 15, yet only 3 in the England squad.
C-man Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Played Emile. Clears the way for the best centre-back partnership in King and Terry.
sdb Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 yes the Heskey bashing has begun already. Rio getting injured was gonna happen sooner or later, and it was obviously not a malicious tackle from Capello's quotes.
Tommeh Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 King's the top boy anyhow. Just glad it wasn't te other way round, rio ending Bruno's WC. G'WON EMILE.
Guest ttfn Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 I'm pretty certain that had anybody else made the tackle that Ferdinand was injured in, the name of the player wouldn't have been mentioned.
Guest ttfn Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 So, Walcott is excluded because he's had a 'poor' season whilst Carrick is included despite having had a poor season. If you'd been awake during your logic seminar you'd realise you'd just done an RAA (reductio ad absurdum). Your mitigating proposition for Carrick's selection 'a better option than Parker' infers that this was the only choice open to Capello. What about, say, Carrick Vs The Hud? I won't go into all the other option headaches that flew under the radar. Poor young Theo doesn't get a mitigating proposition from you at all, of course so can I give one? How about er coming of the bench with half an hour to go, ripping apart the best team in the world, retrieving a 0-2 deficit and scoring in the process? Many players would die for a 'poor season' like Walcott's. Let's move on... So, a semi final berth is our's to lose eh? Why not make that the World Cup is ours to lose (just as it is New Zealand's)? Well, I can tell you reasonably confidently that far more modest targets might be beyond England's reach. And that is not because England's current form is poor (which by their own modest standards it is not) it is because England cannot beat a good side 'on the road' when it matters. Do you know that it took 36 years for England to win their first overseas World Cup knock out match? Now look very closely at the following sides: Paraguay, Belgium, Cameroon, Denmark and Ecuador. Hardly top of the FIFA charts are they? But they are the only sides that England have ever beaten in the knock out phase of a foreign hosted World Cup. But of course, everything is 'ours' to lose' playing 'poorly' because of the poor form of others. Now who, pray, exactly are these 'others' undergoing such a footballing crisis? For example are any of the teams ranked above us having such a profound off period that we could edge past them whilst playing poorly? You don't have Argentina in mind by any chance? That bastion of no marks like Tevez, Melito and oh yes, that Barca freak who, on an average day, would rip our guts out? ttfn this post, along with many of your others is illogical, vague and completely deluded. Like all insular England fans you massively overestimate England's capabilities mainly by ignoring their appalling tournament record and by allowing yourself to be taken in by media hype that is based more on players' earning power rather than their true footballing worth. And if this is not bad enough you completely underestimate the ability of the forces ranged against us. But there again, history is littered with buffoons who make that basic error - in fact that is what history is about. I appreciate my point about Walcott and Carrick wasn't as eloquent as it might have been. Interesting comment on my illogicality though. You have criticised England's players on their performances for England - i.e. Lampard, who has always performed for Chelsea, and arguably not done so for England, and that has formed a large part of your argument as to why England can't succeed at this tournament. Well, wonderboy Messi's Argentina record? 44 caps, 13 goals. Ok, maybe that's a bad example in proving your point about the greatness of Argentina. Let's try Diego Milito. 20 caps, 4 goals. Ok, ok. Fine. Carlos Tevez. 52 caps, 9 goals. I will re-iterate. We are not world-beaters. But neither are most other teams in the competition. And I'm sorry, but whether we won an away world cup match in our first five world cups is COMPLETELY irrelevant.
dandannieldanok Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 I'm pretty certain that had anybody else made the tackle that Ferdinand was injured in, the name of the player wouldn't have been mentioned. Because most of the other players have earned their place in the squad. By the way I'm not attaching any blame to Heskey for this, training ground accidents happen all the time, I'm just saying that his place was already under some scrutiny so people are bound to cotton onto this. The reality is nobody should need to cotton on to this, Heskey's form on its own has warranted all the criticism.
maddog Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 France lost 1-0 to China today Personally think it's a gain losing Ferdinand, he made some shocking errors this season in the few games he played for Man Utd. Gerrard as captain may give him the energy he's been lacking for Liverpool this season and Dawson is a much better player than Carragher, Upson, and has arguably performed better than Terry this season. Having watched us play Japan you would have to be a crazy optimist to think we will even make the final let alone win it. I rekon we will scrape into the Semis then lose on penalties.
Sparky Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 I still think France will do well. They wasn't fancied in the last world cup but made the final.
Webbo Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Having watched us play Japan you would have to be a crazy optimist to think we will even make the final let alone win it. I rekon we will scrape into the Semis then lose on penalties. So we're not good enough to make the final but we will make the semis and then a team that does make the final will only be able to beat us on penalties?
Joe. Posted 4 June 2010 Posted 4 June 2010 Really not bothered about losing Ferdinand, I think he's a bit of a liability for England personally. You'd expect Ledley King to be first choice to get the nod now, but I'd be fine with Carragher filling in if needs be too. Can't wait for this to start now...
Fosse Fox Posted 6 June 2010 Posted 6 June 2010 I appreciate my point about Walcott and Carrick wasn't as eloquent as it might have been. Interesting comment on my illogicality though. You have criticised England's players on their performances for England - i.e. Lampard, who has always performed for Chelsea, and arguably not done so for England, and that has formed a large part of your argument as to why England can't succeed at this tournament. Well, wonderboy Messi's Argentina record? 44 caps, 13 goals. Ok, maybe that's a bad example in proving your point about the greatness of Argentina. Let's try Diego Milito. 20 caps, 4 goals. Ok, ok. Fine. Carlos Tevez. 52 caps, 9 goals. I will re-iterate. We are not world-beaters. But neither are most other teams in the competition. And I'm sorry, but whether we won an away world cup match in our first five world cups is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Your probelm is not one of style, it is one of substance. Your replies remind me of 'The Henry Root Letters' in which the author tricked movers and shakers into either corresponding with him or entering into hopeless commercial ventures by wilfully misunderstanding what they said or did. Donaldson did that deliberately for comic effect - you do it unwittingly to cause maximum irritation
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