Brizzle City Post Match Thread

[Webbo]

What the f*** are you talking about you complete moron. Since when have I been in the 'keep the faith' brigade. I know your in the 'talks a giant pile of shit' brigade, and this just about proves it.

[davieG]

What the f*** are you talking about you complete moron. Since when have I been in the 'keep the faith' brigade. I know your in the 'talks a giant pile of shit' brigade, and this just about proves it.

[Babylon]

Stringer repeatedly asked Sven whether he was concerned about our inability to take chances - good question for me as this is our problem and has been all season... rather than Sven pissing his pants and coming out with utter drivel (his answer was akin to that of a ten year old) I'd have loved him to have the bollox to agree with Stringer, to say that he was dissapointed in his strikers and give them all a much needed kick up the arse by saying he was interested in a number of options... THAT would have meant something and made me respect him - what he said could have been read off a cue-card - Sven's stock responses to questions, like that of a politician...

He's been trying to sign a striker since the minute he walked through the bloody door. Everyone knows that, including the players.... well I say everyone, obviously you didn't as you wouldn't have just written that pile of tripe.

Do decent managers like Fergie or Wenger slag off their players in post match interviews? No they don't, because it doesn't work. What matters are Svens words to them and his actions, not what you want to hear!!

[Kitchandro]

We seem to have a real problem with our strikers. We play a formation which is in my opinion, the way forward as 4-4-2 isnt as common any more, especially not at the top level.But we cant score despite making numerous chances.

So anyway, we have to play one out of our three main strikers in that position. Fryatt who does miss chances but will also score a few, Waghorn cost 3 million, is stronger than Fryatt, works tirelessly but isnt a goal scorer the way Fryatt is, and Howard who is the biggest, best in the air, but slow and not a goal scorer.

In the current formation, I just dont think any of them are ideal for the role. I think we really need to bring a new man in, who can play upfront alone on his own (providing we keep the formation the same), is a much better finisher than the three we have got and is quick and strong.

I think we are that one player away from being a really good team. And it might be time to let Fryatt gom he isnt first choice, and that doesnt look like changing soon.

I agree with this

I like Fryatt, Howard and Waggy but as you say, I don't think they can play in the formation we are playing in. They all need a partner most of the time.

Thing is, the formation worked brilliantly last week and Howard led the line well. But like you say, he aint ever going to be a goalscorer.

Unfortunately, the type of striker you mention might be hard to find. I mean you're talking about a quick, stron striker who can finish and hold the ball up. Well we'd all like one of those, but there aren't that many in the Championship. That sounds like Bothroyd.

[Thracian]

Sousa sapped the confidence from the team and I don't think all of them have regained it.

Waghorn,Weale, Hobbs and Fryatt haven't been the same players.

Of course it's not all down to Sousa but these were all key players last season, I don't think they would be playing as they are if a certain manager hadn't left and another certain manager hadn't replaced him

a) The damage was done today before Waghorn and Fryatt came on.

b) Besides, if these guys are going to become washouts any time the manager changes they're not going to be much use to anyone in modern football! .

c) Pearson left us with a functional team that was in itself well short of the number of goals we needed per season. Sixty-one league goals with our resources is piss-poor. So the striker/goalscoring problem is and was nothing new at all.

Oh yes, the change of manager - any change of manager - was badly timed and the worse since we were already familiar with the effect of pre-season upheaval. But that was down to Mandaric and the soon-to-be-arriving new owners. Sousa was shafted. His lasting influence was miniscule.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

I agree with this

I like Fryatt, Howard and Waggy but as you say, I don't think they can play in the formation we are playing in. They all need a partner most of the time.

Thing is, the formation worked brilliantly last week and Howard led the line well. But like you say, he aint ever going to be a goalscorer.

Unfortunately, the type of striker you mention might be hard to find. I mean you're talking about a quick, stron striker who can finish and hold the ball up. Well we'd all like one of those, but there aren't that many in the Championship. That sounds like Bothroyd.

Bothroyd is definitely the sort of player we need.

Howard can play the role, sometimes as shown last week, but there are only certain games which are suited for him to start whilst, sometime he is best coming off the bench.

Sousa tried to accomodate Waghorn in the formation, by playing him on the wing, that might work the odd time, but it usually wont.

Maybe the player we are after is Ishamel Miller, who from what I have seen of him, is strong and quick, but I can hardly say I have seen him enough to make a proper judgement.

Its really quite frustrating as Fryatt and Waghorn are good players, but especially in Fryatts case, he isnt the player we need so although I like him, is there any point in keeping him?

[Kitchandro]

a) The damage was done today before Waghorn and Fryatt came on.

b) Besides, if these guys are going to become washouts any time the manager changes they're not going to be much use to anyone in modern football! .

c) Pearson left us with a functional team that was in itself well short of the number of goals we needed per season. Sixty-one league goals with our resources is piss-poor. So the striker/goalscoring problem is and was nothing new at all.

Oh yes, the change of manager - any change of manager - was badly timed and the worse since we were already familiar with the effect of pre-season upheaval. But that was down to Mandaric and the soon-to-be-arriving new owners. Sousa was shafted. His lasting influence was miniscule.

Well short of the number of goals we needed for what? We finished 5th. We actually finished the season scoring plenty of goals.

NOW we are not scoring enough goals, because we are at the wrong end and conceding sloppy goals.

But my point is that Waghorn and Fryatt were playing with far more confidence last season and were scoring goals. Now they are not. What do you put that down to?

[Guest ttfn]

Just got back from the game.

Probably the most frustrating match I've ever been to. We were in total control throughout and somehow contrived to lose 2-0.

It seemed like Bristol City had no intention of attacking and yet still came away with 2 goals.

I felt sorry for Weale at the end. He was just trying to start an attack quickly and got it wrong. But if Kirkland's available, we have to go for it.

Bringing off Howard was a mistake: I thought he had an excellent game, aside from a poor penalty.

In short, if we play like that for the rest of the season, we'll make the play-offs no problem. If they play like that the rest of the season, they'll go down.The better side lost today, so let's not get too despondent.

[FoxesFan123]

Howard is a great asset to the team.....coming on as a sub. Someone posted recently in another thread that Howard is only effective when he comes on as a sub, and I totally agree with this. There is no way he is the man to get us the goals to take us up the league, at his age he's too slow and won't get the goals

Vassell walked into the team after not playing football for months. Since then he hasn't scored, hasn't looked effective and continues to start every game. Its possible, he could be the man to get us the goals, but he needs to be eased into the team, coming on as a sub initially.

Gallagher's looked sharp over the past few games, playing out on the wing more than upfront. I believe its his most effective position, but again with Gally, I don't see him getting many goals.

Waghorn works his socks off and is a pest for the opposition, I like Waggy but he's not a goalscoring striker.

We need a player to do for us what Fryatt did in League 1. Fryatt could be the man himself but everytime I've seen him he just seems so disinterested, he looks slow and I just don't feel as though he wants to be here.

I still believe we can go up this season, but not with the strikeforce we currently have. The 'loan defence' is still looking good, we're creating chances and still playing well, but we need a fresh new strikeforce, obviously this cannot happen until Jan but I really hope by next week he have a new striker in on loan playing upfront, hopefully with Gally and Dyer playing off him.

[Kitchandro]

Bothroyd is definitely the sort of player we need.

Howard can play the role, sometimes as shown last week, but there are only certain games which are suited for him to start whilst, sometime he is best coming off the bench.

Sousa tried to accomodate Waghorn in the formation, by playing him on the wing, that might work the odd time, but it usually wont.

Maybe the player we are after is Ishamel Miller, who from what I have seen of him, is strong and quick, but I can hardly say I have seen him enough to make a proper judgement.

Its really quite frustrating as Fryatt and Waghorn are good players, but especially in Fryatts case, he isnt the player we need so although I like him, is there any point in keeping him?

It's a good question. It's a shame Fryatt was left out at the start of the season because things may have been different for him

TBH personally I would keep him because he is the one striker that is most likely to score. Even if this means we use him from the bench when we need a goal (I think he should have come on earlier today, but oh well).

Miller does seem to fit the description except for one doubt I have about him and that's is he a goalscorer? We are crying out for someone who will score goals more than anything and for me he is unproven. But that's not to say he won't do the job, just that he hasn't proved anything yet.

Also the thing about 4-3-3 is - it's great when it works (see Derby last week) but when it doesn't it turns into 4-5-1, and the striker becomes very isolated.

[buzzy]

I can't believe our strikers miss a host of gilt-edged chances yet we leave our top scorer of the last few seasons - and usual penalty taker I might add - twiddling his thumbs on the bench for all but the last ten minutes.

because his shit

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Well short of the number of goals we needed for what? We finished 5th. We actually finished the season scoring plenty of goals.

NOW we are not scoring enough goals, because we are at the wrong end and conceding sloppy goals.

But my point is that Waghorn and Fryatt were playing with far more confidence last season and were scoring goals. Now they are not. What do you put that down to?

Although I agree, we dont score enough, we have scored two more after 18 games this season, than we did this tine last season. (23 this, 21 last season).

We could and should be on 27-30 this season though. The difference is the defence. If we didnt score last season, we wouldnt concede more than 1, usually. Meaning we picked up a lot of draws. This season our defence is shakey, even now with the loanees and Davies in it. I think we'll get better, and I do think the lack of scoring is more worrying, but you dont need to score many to win games, as shown last season.

[Edmund]

Looking at the table it's still stupidly tight. We're currently 5 points off relegation and 5 off the play offs. (4 points off relegation if the result stands at Bramall lane)

Still a long way to go.

[Karljohn]

Ishmael Miller? Hmmm....would rather have Simon Cox if available.

Feel sorry for Weale, decent keeper, James got away with it today, Chris doesn't seem to get that bit of luck at times.

[Thracian]

What the f*** are you talking about you complete moron. Since when have I been in the 'keep the faith' brigade. I know your in the 'talks a giant pile of shit' brigade, and this just about proves it.

Haha - good to see you're still around and still inclined to be a bit sensitive! I did wince when I saw the post - just can't think why I didn't warn the lad! Maybe cos of that thread about the site having lost its humph.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

It's a good question. It's a shame Fryatt was left out at the start of the season because things may have been different for him

TBH personally I would keep him because he is the one striker that is most likely to score. Even if this means we use him from the bench when we need a goal (I think he should have come on earlier today, but oh well).

Miller does seem to fit the description except for one doubt I have about him and that's is he a goalscorer? We are crying out for someone who will score goals more than anything and for me he is unproven. But that's not to say he won't do the job, just that he hasn't proved anything yet.

Also the thing about 4-3-3 is - it's great when it works (see Derby last week) but when it doesn't it turns into 4-5-1, and the striker becomes very isolated.

I do agree, but having him on the bench is a waste and he isnt good enough to play in this formation. I also think that he has less impact off the bench than Howard or Waghorn do, he needs to play from the start along side someone.

I'd argue that it really isnt 4-3-3. That gives the opinion that we play 3 out and out strikers, we dont. If we did we would be playing far too narrow, and the two strikers along the wings wont naturally defend. We play one striker and two 'wingers', which for me is more of a 4-3-2-1, and like you say easily turns into a 4-5-1

I'm not sure if Miller is a goal scorer, but he is strong, big, and quicker than Howard. So might be a bit of an improvement.

[Cropwellfox]

On a slightly brighter note I treated my week old daughter to her first listen to Stringer and crew today. In 8 days she seems to have developed extraordinarily strong tendencies of supporting our beloved LCFC. She grizzled for most of the game, had loads of pained expressions throughout and with 20 mins to go decided she'd be better off fast asleep......

[Kitchandro]

On another note what result do we want in this Sheff Utd v Palace game?

And why the fook are they both wearing white and red? fooking ridiculous I can barely tell the difference

[Kitchandro]

On a slightly brighter note I treated my week old daughter to her first listen to Stringer and crew today. In 8 days she seems to have developed extraordinarily strong tendencies of supporting our beloved LCFC. She grizzled for most of the game, had loads of pained expressions throughout and with 20 mins to go decided she'd be better off fast asleep......

Good man, get them interested when they're young

Cos if she grows up to support Man U it's YOUR fault!

[Karljohn]

On a slightly brighter note I treated my week old daughter to her first listen to Stringer and crew today. In 8 days she seems to have developed extraordinarily strong tendencies of supporting our beloved LCFC. She grizzled for most of the game, had loads of pained expressions throughout and with 20 mins to go decided she'd be better off fast asleep......

Ah bless her.

Sounds very similar to Matty Fryatt.

[gibwarrior1988]

Sousa sapped the confidence from the team and I don't think all of them have regained it.

Waghorn,Weale, Hobbs and Fryatt haven't been the same players.

Of course it's not all down to Sousa but these were all key players last season, I don't think they would be playing as they are if a certain manager hadn't left and another certain manager hadn't replaced him

You havin a laugh? Hobbs played brilliantly today.

[Kitchandro]

You havin a laugh? Hobbs played brilliantly today.

But before the Derby game he had clearly been lacking in confidence and was not playing well

[colbo68]

Bit sensitive ain't ya! Time of the month? On a serious note I thought you were one of the twits who shouted to give Sousa more time? As you had done with Ollie when we went down? Hehe nice one

[gibwarrior1988]

But before the Derby game he had clearly been lacking in confidence and was not playing well

yeh one off :-) he's back to his best thank god.

[Kitchandro]

yeh one off :-) he's back to his best thank god.