Bryn Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Just a few things I've been thinking about recently. Wellens really is having a great season. He's looked a class act every time I've seen him, and between Sky, the streams and getting to games I've seen quite a lot of us. Should be captain and player of the season for me. Secondly is, King's also having a great season, but have the goals dried up a little? He's still making the runs, but I think teams have clocked on to him a bit. He still has the talent to nab the odd goal, but he's not imposed himself on games as much for me. I certainly don't want to see him dumped unceremoniously out of the team, but he's played a lot of minutes recently - would he benefit from a bit of a rest? In terms of his fitness and in letting us mix the team up a bit, make teams have to do that bit more homework on us. Which leads me into my last point. It's always good to have a few formations, and we've been pretty consistent (and undoubtedly pretty successful), with 4-5-1. I think it'd be good to go 4-4-2 or something else at some point in the coming weeks, and if Yakubu is coming in, we've got the opportunity once he's acclimatised. I'm inclined to think Dyer will probably lose his place to Yakubu, with Vassell reverting to the wing, but I reckon Vassell and Yakubu could be an interesting partnership to have a go with as well. The question then is, who do you remove from midfield? We could stick Abe out wide again but he didn't look too comfortable there and I think he's quite essential in this team. I actually think you'd probably have to drop King. In the 4-5-1, he is the supporting attacker, the goalpoacher while Vassell leads the line, so to me it's natural to replace that kind of player with a striker when moving to 4-4-2. I would have no intention of marginalising King. I think such a move could benefit his and the teams long term form. Thoughts?
Narborough_fox Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 4-4-2 Diamond if Vassel comes. ----------Abe Moussa-Wellens ---------King Utilises our 3 best midfielders and has king in his best position (CAM)
richardsfoxes Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 King is a terrific talent but he does drift in and out of games but i think thats what helps him get in these positions to score them, i think Sven will keep the same shape as it has worked, our problem has been this season scoring goals, you've only got to look at the stats. Hopefully now that Sven seems happy enough with the defence, they will form a decent partnership, because all this swapping and changing there has backfired on some games. Were slowly but surely turning into a good physical side, which is so important in this league. Got a cheeky feeling Yaks going to score some corners
The Doctor Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 how about keeping the midfield 3 as it is and moving gallagher into "the hole" between midfield and attack, if you're going to meddle with something that, home at least, has worked well? Perhaps need to change a few things round away from home but at home, if it isn't broke don't fix it.
stoatish Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This might sound crazy but I'd like to see this- 352 Weale Bamba-Hobbs-berner/mee Naughton abe king wellens dyer/gally Vassell yakubu Don't know if it would leave us to exposed but it's the only way I can get everyone in the team that I think should start? Should terrorise teams I think?
Haydos Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This is perilously close to a 'should kingy be dropped thread' <_< Don't think it's a coincidence he was there to poke home against Man City. Wellens has become essential to the way we play it is a compliment to King and Abe that he is only slightly more important than them IMO. I really don't believe we should be switching the midfield around at the moment. We haven't seen Vassell on the wing at full fitness and with a bit of confidence so I'm not adverse to seing Yak come in as the central striker. Hopefully his hold up play can be better than Bednar/Howard. As I said in another thread though, same midfield and attackers for now and slowly introduce Yakubu.
Bryn Posted 11 January 2011 Author Posted 11 January 2011 This is perilously close to a 'should kingy be dropped thread' <_< I definitely don't intend it that way King is an essential part of our best formation, 4-5-1. Merely stimulating debate, you can guarantee Sven will be mulling these ideas over though (probably with a lot more discernment mind). EDIT: Well actually, I suppose it definitely IS a 'should kingy be dropped thread', but I hope you can see I'm not panning the guy.
Haydos Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 how about keeping the midfield 3 as it is and moving gallagher into "the hole" between midfield and attack, if you're going to meddle with something that, home at least, has worked well? Perhaps need to change a few things round away from home but at home, if it isn't broke don't fix it. I was thinking about that as a potential idea. It does leave us short on width though which is something I think we utilise very well.
Haydos Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This might sound crazy but I'd like to see this- 352 Weale Bamba-Hobbs-berner/mee Naughton abe king wellens dyer/gally Vassell yakubu Don't know if it would leave us to exposed but it's the only way I can get everyone in the team that I think should start? Should terrorise teams I think? I think.....I think......I'd love to see this tried out. It's almost impossible to make this adjustment mid-season though, especially one so dramatic.
The Doctor Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 I was thinking about that as a potential idea. It does leave us short on width though which is something I think we utilise very well. Fair point, the full backs are an option there, naughton could defenitely provide the width but we'd need a similar left back, oh if only greg hadn't broken his leg.
Haydos Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Fair point, the full backs are an option there, naughton could defenitely provide the width but we'd need a similar left back, oh if only greg hadn't broken his leg. If only Anyone tell me how to merge/delete a post so it doesn't end up double posting?
cc_star Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Our 4-5-1 is 4-3-3 depending on the ebb and flow of the game Gallagher - Abe - Wellens - King - Dyer ---------------------Vassell Which obviously morphs into Abe - Wellens - King Gallagher - Vassell - Dyer Completely naturally depending on how much pressure we're putting on the opposition, or them on us How the Yak will fit into that if we go 4-4-2 is a bit of a puzzler Without Abe & Wellens our defence would be frequently over-exposed, so by default that means King has to stand-aside if we're going to go to 4-4-2, even though it's Dyer who looks to have lost the most form, the easiest answer is to just replace Vassell with Yakubu, and stick with our same flexible formation, but Vassell has been doing the business and we really need to do better away from home. Hopefully Sven will be able to sort it out sooner rather than later... but having to may quality players is where we need to be as a club, so its the best problem to have
SMX11 Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 GK: Weale DR: Naughton DC: Hobbs DC: Bamba DL: Berner DM: Abe CM: Wellens CM: King AM: Gallagher ST: Yakubu ST: Vassell
Kitchandro Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 It's true that we haven't scored enough goals this season, but we seemed to have found our best team now. The one that played against Man City really looked a threat going forward and we dominated. We played the same midfield and front 3 against Doncaster and won 5-1. We played the same against Swansea and Hull and won. We've scored 4 in our last 2 as well, both against good sides with very good defences. King's goals have hardly dried up, he scored a cracker on boxing day and, oh yes, got one against Man City. people are just going to have to accept that he will go missing. It's not that much of an issue though when you pop up with important goals. He's almost a striker in that way, but that's not to say he doesn't do other things when he's playing well. For me, nothing needs to be changed and on the basis of recent games I think we might have found the winning formula, so lets give the system a chance to be consistent. Show the level of desire we showed against Man City and we should be in the play-offs come May. Of course we need a plan B but what that plan B is entirely depends on where we are lacking in the specific game. So it seems a bit pointless to decide on a backup formation when we don't know who deserves to be subbed until we cross that bridge.
stoatish Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 To completely disagree with my previous comment I do think we should keep it the same as we did against man city but as we all know Leicester will somehow not manage to play like that against the likes of pne, it's just the joy of being a lcfc fan!! Unfortunately I dont think we would have signed yakubu to just sit on the bench and feel he will start against pne and Sven will play 442 and he will also play Ben mee instead of the fantastic bruno berner!! I feel the phone in after the game will have even more moaners than usual, ha!
hackneyfox Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 For me Dyer will be the one to be replaced, I don't think Sven has great confidence in him and he's hardly made his mark while Sven has been here.
LCFCmatt Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Andy king isnt a midfielder at all - he's very ineffective, he cant pass or tackle... but he does score goals and thats why he needs to be a striker
Salieri Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This might sound crazy but I'd like to see this- 352 Weale Bamba-Hobbs-berner/mee Naughton abe king wellens dyer/gally Vassell yakubu Don't know if it would leave us to exposed but it's the only way I can get everyone in the team that I think should start? Should terrorise teams I think? I like the sound of that, used to play a bit of the old 3-5-2 under O'Neill to great effect. Puts a lot of pressure on the wingbacks, i'm sure Naughton would be fine on the right, it's the left side that would pose more of a problem. Shame Cunningham got injured as I reckon he could have filled that role.
lcfcbradyboy Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Weale Naugton Bamba Hobbs Benrner Wellens King Gallagher Dyer Yakubu Vassel
SystonFox Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This might sound crazy but I'd like to see this- 352 Weale Bamba-Hobbs-berner/mee Naughton abe king wellens dyer/gally Vassell yakubu Don't know if it would leave us to exposed but it's the only way I can get everyone in the team that I think should start? Should terrorise teams I think? I'm not saying your wrong or you've chose a bad system and team but have you watched the England national team over the past 2 years? Capello was always picking the best players not nexeaseraly the best team. We need to find our best system and pick the best team, I don't know what this is myself
Asha Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Isn't it nice to have such positive selection headaches though? Especially in midfield there seems to be plethora of options. Much of an improvement on the days where the biggest decision was whether to start Andy Johnson, or Danny Tiatto.
Kitchandro Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Isn't it nice to have such positive selection headaches though? Especially in midfield there seems to be plethora of options. Much of an improvement on the days where the biggest decision was whether to start Andy Johnson, or Danny Tiatto. Yes, but it's no good if we get it wrong.
ajthefox Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 This is perilously close to a 'should kingy be dropped thread' <_< Don't think it's a coincidence he was there to poke home against Man City. Wellens has become essential to the way we play it is a compliment to King and Abe that he is only slightly more important than them IMO. I really don't believe we should be switching the midfield around at the moment. We haven't seen Vassell on the wing at full fitness and with a bit of confidence so I'm not adverse to seing Yak come in as the central striker. Hopefully his hold up play can be better than Bednar/Howard. As I said in another thread though, same midfield and attackers for now and slowly introduce Yakubu. 100% agree with this. We shouldn't change what has been working well immediately, Yakubu needs to be worked in gradually or brought in if things slow and need shaking up.
tomtom Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 Sven has a long term plan of how he wants the team set up! so sit back, relax and just enjoy the football. Sven will get it right
RizLCFC Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 You make a good point about King and tiredness but who can we replace him with (when he's had a quiet game and needs to be subbed or rested). Oakley is finished and only plays well defensively sometimes, he has no attacking ability, Moussa, Dyer and NGuessan are primarily wingers, Wellens and Abe have made the holding midfield positions there own, so who can we have in that attacking midfield role? Maybe Gallagher? At the moment King can only occupy that position for us naturally.
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