Mack Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 lol Of course, Scotland, Wales and North Ireland should have just put their position of recognised members of FIFA on the line for the sake of playing a couple of games in the name of Great Britain. You don't half talk complete shit at times. This is an exceptional circumstance. A one off, never to be repeated in our lifetimes. And in this instance it is in FIFA's interest to give the HOME nations of these Olympics dispensation to play as a GB team. It's a superb opportunity for a group of quality under 23 players from all the home nations to experience a high quality tournament on home soil. Petty small mindedness should not be allowed to spoil it.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 And in this instance it is in FIFA's interest to give the HOME nations of these Olympics dispensation to play as a GB team. ... why? It's a superb opportunity for a group of quality under 23 players from all the home nations to experience a high quality tournament on home soil. It's a reasonable opportunity for Gareth Bale to represent something other than a club side in a fairly mediocre tournament, given he's not likely to do so for Wales in a hurry. That's it. It'll mean next to nothing to most of the English players and the public will quickly lose interest as soon as they realise they're going to get just as shafted as they did in the U21 tournament.
accessory Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 If the manager selects players from the four nations and those players want to play for a Team GB, the various FAs do not have a leg to stand on, legally or morally. That practice applies to every other sport in the Olympics and there shouldn't be any exception for football. I doubt Team GB will get anywhere near a medal, but fans might be interested in seeing who may emerge as the next Tevez or Messi.
The Doctor Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 This is an exceptional circumstance. A one off, never to be repeated in our lifetimes. And in this instance it is in FIFA's interest to give the HOME nations of these Olympics dispensation to play as a GB team. It's a superb opportunity for a group of quality under 23 players from all the home nations to experience a high quality tournament on home soil. Petty small mindedness should not be allowed to spoil it. no, but N.I, Scotland & Wales refusing to take part wasn't petty small mindedness. The 3 of us have no real right to be seen as different countries to england by FIFA as we are non-sovereign nations. However we have been allowed to keep independent membership of FIFA up until now, presumably because we were heavily involved in the creation of football. However, if we had agreed to take part before FIFA had given any assurances about retaining our independent status then we were leaving ourselves open for FIFA to say that the Team GB worked well and that should be the case in future. The SFA, FAW & Irish FA were doing the right thing for themselves and their nations, they rightly care more about retaining our national sides as being seperate than competing in the Olympics when it's highly unlikely anyone except bale & ramsey would be involved. The likelyhood of there being no scottish or Irish representatives to team GB & only a small fraction being welsh is hardly going to endear the idea to the Irish, Scottish & Welsh public or their FA's.
Mack Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 ... why? Because they are in a unique situation where the Host nation of the games represents itself in football differently that it does in Olympic disciplines. The success of the football tournament as a spectacle will hinge on a GB team taking part, they will know that and will thus grant special permission. The only people making a big deal about all this are the other home nation FA's. I say bollocks to them and just pick a team, let the ***** argue it out amongst each other, because their petty stance is not worth the waste of breath.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 The success of the football tournament as a spectacle will hinge on a GB team taking part That's funny, because generally I tend to find games of a better quality when England aren't playing. because their petty stance is not worth the waste of breath. Yet you seem to be expending a lot of it.
Mack Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 That's funny, because generally I tend to find games of a better quality when England aren't playing. Yet you seem to be expending a lot of it. You and the plastic jock can shove your snide comments up your jacksey. Anyone who knows anything about tournament football knows that the host nation team is all important. And it may even give some Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh young hopefuls the chance to experience a tournament environment, and that's something they are highly unlikely to ever get playing solely for their own national side. I'm bored of this non argument now.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I'm bored of this non argument now. It's a shame you always seem to get bored of the argument round about the time it becomes apparent you don't have a point. You should learn from acooling and just keep digging regardless; much funnier.
Bugg Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I don't see the problem with a "Team GB" I think that the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish FAs are being a little silly be thinking that we'd try to merge all four nations together after this. It's a once in a lifetime thing that British players can represent their nations united together in a home Olympics so if a player wants to play, he should not be encouraged to back out of it.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 Since when was this the last ever Olympics? Have you ever heard of setting a precedent?
Bugg Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 Since when was this the last ever Olympics? Have you ever heard of setting a precedent? If you read what I said, it will be the only time that the current players will be able to play in a HOME olympics. It could mean a lot to them representing their nations together on home soil. And for the second part, no, enlighten me.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 The point is that the organizations the associations are worried about aren't sentimental, they don't give a toss whether or not this is "our" Olympics. If we do it this time, the precedent is in place to do it next time and the time after and the time after that.
Mack Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 It's a shame you always seem to get bored of the argument round about the time it becomes apparent you don't have a point. You should learn from acooling and just keep digging regardless; much funnier. I'm bored of the argument because it's an absurd non argument. It's a positive move to have Britain's brightest young talents competing in a high profile tournament together for the benefit of all the home nations. The only ones who cant see that are those who fear for their cosy little jobs. A fear that is born out of small minded paranoia. And that's that.
Mack Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I would like to also add that if the Welsh and Scots are so anti participation then the money spinning Olympic football games that are being held in Wales and Scotland should be withdrawn.
Webbo Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Just out of curiosity, will our Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish posters be supporting the GB football team?
The Doctor Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Just out of curiosity, will our Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish posters be supporting the GB football team? No. The team may go under the name of GB but it'll still just be an england side. The only non-english players likely to be considered are Bale & Ramsey but, given that the olympics overlaps with the prem season I can see Redknapp & Wenger either kicking up a massive fuss to make sure they don't take part or declaring Ramsey & Bale suddenly injured meaning they can't take part.
FoxyPV Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Just out of curiosity, will our Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish posters be supporting the GB football team? I don't watch football in the Olympics so it makes no odds to me whether or not Team GB field a team of scantily dressed obese queens.
Webbo Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 I don't watch football in the Olympics so it makes no odds to me whether or not Team GB field a team of scantily dressed obese queens. You don't have to watch it to hope they do well.
Webbo Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 No. The team may go under the name of GB but it'll still just be an england side. The only non-english players likely to be considered are Bale & Ramsey but, given that the olympics overlaps with the prem season I can see Redknapp & Wenger either kicking up a massive fuss to make sure they don't take part or declaring Ramsey & Bale suddenly injured meaning they can't take part. I could understand why administrators of the other FAs were against a joint team, even though there is a less than zero chance that FIFA would reduce it's own income by forcing the home nations into one team. I couldn't understand why the fans wouldn't want their players to cheer on. Reading your post makes me think that some Scots, Welsh , Irish whose only source of footballing pride is seeing England lose would rather not have their players involved so that they can still hope that the GB team lose.
FoxyPV Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 You don't have to watch it to hope they do well. I'm apathetic to their performance as I don't think football should be in the Olympics. If they do well, I'll say well done but that's the height of it whereas I'd actively cheer on the athletes/ other sportspeople.
Finnegan Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Just out of curiosity, will our Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish posters be supporting the GB football team? No. I don't self identify as British and never get behind British teams (perhaps with the exception of the Lions but that's a little different.) Contrary to popular belief, I like the English. You're good people, most of my friends are English and the country is okay. So it isn't about being anti-English or having a chip on my shoulder I just find all the culture and iconography associated with 'Britain' and 'Britishness' to be things I dislike. I have never felt British. But Welsh? Yes. European? Yes.
ScouseFox Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 No. I don't self identify as British and never get behind British teams (perhaps with the exception of the Lions but that's a little different.) Contrary to popular belief, I like the English. You're good people, most of my friends are English and the country is okay. So it isn't about being anti-English or having a chip on my shoulder I just find all the culture and iconography associated with 'Britain' and 'Britishness' to be things I dislike. I have never felt British. But Welsh? Yes. European? Yes. In what way?
davieG Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Would the majority of Welsh cheer on the Scots/NIrish against England and likewise the Scots with the Welsh/NIrish etc.?
Finnegan Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Would the majority of Welsh cheer on the Scots/NIrish against England and likewise the Scots with the Welsh/NIrish etc.? You know the answer to that, of course we would. And the Lions is a little different in that rugby touring teams have very much their own unique culture and because it's far more about North vs South than a 'British' team. There's not a lot of Jack waving and there's no God Save The Queen.
Webbo Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 It'll be the same old story. British when we win, English when we lose.
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