Jon the Hat Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Did you feel dirty? Goodness knows I would. It mostly felt like a waste of time.
Jon the Hat Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Moral guidance needed Why should I feel morally wrong about a criminal who is deported back to his/her own country because it may be dangerous for them? Surely if it is a dangerous place for them it is a dangerous place for lots of other citizens who have not had the good fortune to have escaped it. Are they in any more danger than these people ? Why should I feel any less morally wrong about leaving the unfortunate ones who have not got the opportunity to leave that country, such as children, the old and infirm and probably most women? Shouldn’t we be more proactive in trying to save the less able rather than the ones who are physically and financially strong enough to have escaped and committed crimes here? If the country they left is as bad as we are led to believe, why aren’t these seemingly healthy men and women keen to go back and assist their families and country folk, rather than abusing the hospitality and sanctuary that they sought? Shouldn’t they be trying to recruit from our community to go and assist them not robbing and committing crimes against them ? That’s what we are taught to do isn’t it ? If the Nazis had succeeded in invading Britain and all the financially able and young able bodied men had scarpered to the USA leaving the less able to their fate and at the same time committing terrible crimes in their new sanctuary, should they expect to be treated as equal citizens? Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying they should be deported , but I can understand those that think they should At some point you have to set a standard, and the majority of countries in Europe have set that standard at not deporting people to face torture or execution. Sounds reasonable to me.
Zingari Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 At some point you have to set a standard, and the majority of countries in Europe have set that standard at not deporting people to face torture or execution. Sounds reasonable to me. Why does the EU retain the death penalty for use in times of riot , upheaval, war and civil unrest ? ( treaty of lisbon ) Could it possibly be because those in the ivory towers that set the standards ( and most of us in the leafy shires and suburbs ) can afford to be liberal minded about such things as serious street crime , murder etc because it largely does not affect them , just others of the same class . Riot , upheaval, war and civil unrest however is a different matter and quite the opposite set of people are affected . Funny that isn't ?, how when the status quo is challenged ,the execution of "troublemakers" now becomes a necessary means of law keeping that is no longer barbaric sorry, but they are hypocrites
acooling08 Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Why do these 'people' have human rights that are of more worth than British citizens? Anyone who thinks this is a good thing, I hope these 2 monsters rob your house and make your local area a shit hole from drug dealing.
Houdini Logic Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Why do these 'people' have human rights that are of more worth than British citizens? Anyone who thinks this is a good thing, I hope these 2 monsters rob your house and make your local area a shit hole from drug dealing. I'd rather they done that than come on here and spout the bullshit you do. I mean 'people' in quotes ffs?
Houdini Logic Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Moral guidance needed Why should I feel morally wrong about a criminal who is deported back to his/her own country because it may be dangerous for them? Surely if it is a dangerous place for them it is a dangerous place for lots of other citizens who have not had the good fortune to have escaped it. Are they in any more danger than these people ? Why should I feel any less morally wrong about leaving the unfortunate ones who have not got the opportunity to leave that country, such as children, the old and infirm and probably most women? Shouldn’t we be more proactive in trying to save the less able rather than the ones who are physically and financially strong enough to have escaped and committed crimes here? Are you saying becuase it is equally as dangerous for the people who don't/can't escape you should chuck anyone else back there to make it all equal?!?! Does it matter if they are in any more danger than others? I'm not sure why you feel the need to draw comparisons - surely every case should be based on its own merits and if someone is going to be persecuted/killed then it's irrelevant if his neighbour round the corner is more likely to have his throat slit first? I agree that we should be more proactive trying to help the less able in these countries, but if you had your way (appreciate it's not neccessarily your view) then after you've rescued the children, the old and the infirm, you'd be left thinking 'shit, we'd be done by now if we hadn't chucked back the rest of these guys'.
acooling08 Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 What kind of 'person' thanks a country for taking his burden by committing a shit load of crimes? It's like being stranded at sea, being rescued and then beating up the crew. Cheeky twats don't deserve our charity.
acooling08 Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 They're still human regardless of where they are from. It's nothing to do with where they are from, it's what they have done...
Jon the Hat Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 Why do these 'people' have human rights that are of more worth than British citizens? Anyone who thinks this is a good thing, I hope these 2 monsters rob your house and make your local area a shit hole from drug dealing. And this is why we don't let ignorant ****wits make laws.
cambridgefox Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 I did vote Lib Dem once. I do hope it was a tactical vote against the red ones,i had admired you from afar but now feel let down!
FoxyPV Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 It's nothing to do with where they are from, it's what they have done... What part of immigrants don't you understand? The question of their deportation only arises through them not being british nationals.
acooling08 Posted 29 June 2011 Posted 29 June 2011 And this is why we don't let ignorant ****wits make laws. I'm serious, because the people who will end up suffering are old women being burgled, and recovering addicts spiralling into addiction from these scummy foreigners. The morons who protect this scum (ie you) should feel the consequences of them squatting in our country.
Zingari Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 Are you saying becuase it is equally as dangerous for the people who don't/can't escape you should chuck anyone else back there to make it all equal?!?! Does it matter if they are in any more danger than others? I'm not sure why you feel the need to draw comparisons - surely every case should be based on its own merits and if someone is going to be persecuted/killed then it's irrelevant if his neighbour round the corner is more likely to have his throat slit first? I agree that we should be more proactive trying to help the less able in these countries, but if you had your way (appreciate it's not neccessarily your view) then after you've rescued the children, the old and the infirm, you'd be left thinking 'shit, we'd be done by now if we hadn't chucked back the rest of these guys'. No , go back to my original post and read to the end i said , i woundn't want to send them back but i can understand the seething anger that issues such as this arouses . It seems too many of us in the leafy suburbs and shires that are not so affected seem incapable of understanding the genuine fears of others that are , and usually smugly dismissing them as idiots ,racists, daily mail readers etc etc I admit that I don't have any answers to this situation , just that I recognise that there is one and it does anger many , and seems at odds with many peoples innate sense of justice
Jon the Hat Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I'm serious, because the people who will end up suffering are old women being burgled, and recovering addicts spiralling into addiction from these scummy foreigners. The morons who protect this scum (ie you) should feel the consequences of them squatting in our country. You are not even making sense now. If they are in jail how can they burgle people? Hmm? Becuase you see in order to deport them they would have to be convicted, and hence would be in jail for their crimes. If they re offend on release then the problem is not deportation of lack of but the failures of the judicial system.
Finnegan Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I'm serious, because the people who will end up suffering are old women being burgled, and recovering addicts spiralling into addiction from these scummy foreigners. The morons who protect this scum (ie you) should feel the consequences of them squatting in our country. I honestly adore how stupid you are. You are fucking hilarious.
acooling08 Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 You are not even making sense now. If they are in jail how can they burgle people? Hmm? Becuase you see in order to deport them they would have to be convicted, and hence would be in jail for their crimes. If they re offend on release then the problem is not deportation of lack of but the failures of the judicial system. They already have done, hence their convictions. Trust me, they will not be in jail for long. In a few years they'll be out and doing the same all over again. Still, if your happy for your taxes to go towards giving these men Sky TV in jail, then good for you. I for one would rather spend it on the NHS, or schools, or on reducing the deficit.
acooling08 Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 I honestly adore how stupid you are. You are fucking hilarious. One of my posts on Page 2 has a +1!
MPH Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 You are not even making sense now. If they are in jail how can they burgle people? Hmm? Becuase you see in order to deport them they would have to be convicted, and hence would be in jail for their crimes. If they re offend on release then the problem is not deportation of lack of but the failures of the judicial system. Which brings another side to the discussion. It costs the British taxpayers £40,000 a year every year to fund each prisoner..
The Doctor Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 One of my posts on Page 2 has a +1! You're still a ****ing moron though, just that you're not the only poster with shit for brains on this site.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 30 June 2011 Posted 30 June 2011 http://news.aol.co.uk/main-news/story/undesirables-cannot-be-deported/1867063 Worrying that the European courts have more power over this than our government. Give us a referendum Cameron FFS [/qu Yet another crass decision, by the so called European Court of Human Rights. ANYONE, who comes from overseas, and commits crimes in this country, should be returned to their place of origin, regardless of their treatment upon return..Perhaps it would deter others, from doing the same. We have enough problems, crime wise, with our own criminals, without having to import more. We, as a nation, should have our rights also, to do as we wish with scum like this .
Daggers Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 No-one should be subjected to torture or murder Bollocks. I give you: Everyone in the Halifax adverts Boys with baggy trousers, showing their pants, and The French
Jon the Hat Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Bollocks. I give you: Everyone in the Halifax adverts Boys with baggy trousers, showing their pants, and The French Dave!!! Where have you been!
Daggers Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Dave!!! Where have you been! Chained in protest to Nick Clegg. Unfortunately, when he disappeared up Cameron's arse it took me longer to get out than I'd otherwise have envisaged.
ozleicester Posted 1 July 2011 Posted 1 July 2011 Bollocks. I give you: Everyone in the Halifax adverts Boys with baggy trousers, showing their pants, and The French I Stand corrected.
FoxesAreBlue Posted 2 July 2011 Posted 2 July 2011 Bollocks. I give you: Everyone in the Halifax adverts Boys with baggy trousers, showing their pants, and The French Not the blonde 1 who drops the mug... definitely worth a good porking...
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