Boxing

[Grewks]

19 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

long insightful posts are useless with you as you pick random things in them to construct trolling straw man arguments. So to play you at your own game.

 

So? Wilder bellew LA > wilder bellew Liverpool 

 

no he doesn't.

 

irrelevant

 

as neither man landed a particularly great shot all night, incorrect.

Wilder has a better resume than Bellew?

 

Name me a fighter on there who has a better resume than Haye,

 

Didn't Bellew land a counter hook when backed onto the ropes in the first round? That would've sent Wilder to the mat, he's been dropped by jabs ffs.

[Grewks]

1 hour ago, GaelicFox said:

I'm not sure either about him but in fairness he has been extremely impressive to this point and has been well managed 

 

I suspect the only man to give him a proper fight in the futures is a fat blobby mess 

 

but if Fury shapes up and gets his head sorted then he will give AJ a true test next year 

Does Fury have the power to keep Joshua off him? Not sure.

 

Joshua v Fury looks to me a bit like Haye (A fully fit and prime one) v Bellew. Only one winner.

 

Joshua is younger, quicker and punches harder. 

 

Fury beat Wlad because he didn't throw a punch for 11 rounds.

[GaelicFox]

1 minute ago, Grewks said:

Does Fury have the power to keep Joshua off him? Not sure.

 

Joshua v Fury looks to me a bit like Haye (A fully fit and prime one) v Bellew. Only one winner.

 

Joshua is younger, quicker and punches harder. 

 

Fury beat Wlad because he didn't throw a punch for 11 rounds.

Fury is powerful 

 

that fight is the only fight to challenge AJ 

 

i can see it happening next summer 

 

issue is fury has been diagnosed with Bi-polar disorder and the medication he is on I'm not sure can be stopped for 3 months of a camp 

 

I'm not sure Fury can come back the fighter he became 

[Grewks]

Just now, GaelicFox said:

Fury is powerful 

 

that fight is the only fight to challenge AJ 

 

i can see it happening next summer 

 

issue is fury has been diagnosed with Bi-polar disorder and the medication he is on I'm not sure can be stopped for 3 months of a camp 

 

I'm not sure Fury can come back the fighter he became 

 

For a man of his size though, his KO percentage, given his standard of opponent, is pretty poor.

[GaelicFox]

20 minutes ago, Grewks said:

 

For a man of his size though, his KO percentage, given his standard of opponent, is pretty poor.

Fair point 

 

 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

1 hour ago, Grewks said:

Does Fury have the power to keep Joshua off him? Not sure.

 

Joshua v Fury looks to me a bit like Haye (A fully fit and prime one) v Bellew. Only one winner.

 

Joshua is younger, quicker and punches harder. 

 

Fury beat Wlad because he didn't throw a punch for 11 rounds.

Massive disservice to Fury.

 

Wlad couldn't land because Fury's movement was too good and I think Joshua would struggle with that too.

 

We don't really know if Joshua is fast as he's only really fought static targets.

 

In fact, we really don't know anything about Joshua other than he can hit hard (a given for a HW) and he has zero charisma.

[Durnerz]

13 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Massive disservice to Fury.

 

Wlad couldn't land because Fury's movement was too good and I think Joshua would struggle with that too.

 

We don't really know if Joshua is fast as he's only really fought static targets.

 

In fact, we really don't know anything about Joshua other than he can hit hard (a given for a HW) and he has zero charisma.

Agreed. I think Klitschko's not going to be the pushover many expect. Joshua, in principle, is a great boxer but only against sitting targets. The title win over Martin was more of a mugging than the beating of a genuine champion.

Fury vs AJ is the dream match but can't see Hearn risking his golden boy anytime soon. Even Wilder will be avoided should AJ win against Wlad.

[Manwell Pablo]

5 hours ago, Grewks said:

Wilder has a better resume than Bellew?

 

Name me a fighter on there who has a better resume than Haye,

 

Didn't Bellew land a counter hook when backed onto the ropes in the first round? That would've sent Wilder to the mat, he's been dropped by jabs ffs.

 I can name you 38 as they all had two legs.

 

He has a better name, one name doesn't compensate for a constistant record.

 

But I'll indulge you anyway, at heavy weight stirevene, excuse the spelling I would spell it correctly but I like the thought of you having to work for your google knowledge for once. Let's remember Hayes legacy at heavy weight is largely based around beating a giant who couldn't box for shit.

Edited 8 March 2017 by Manwell Pablo

[Grewks]

4 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 I can name you 38 as they all had two legs.

 

He has a better name, one name doesn't compensate for a constistant record.

 

But I'll indulge you anyway, at heavy weight stirevene, excuse the spelling I would spell it correctly but I like the thought of you having to work for your google knowledge for once. Let's remember Hayes legacy at heavy weight is largely based around beating a giant who couldn't box for shit.

 

'google knowledge'....

 

 

The fact you're defending Wilder, a guy who has been unwilling to fight any serious contender after 30+ fights, suggests to me that your boxing knowledge is fairly limited.

 

Wilder must be the weakest world heavyweight champion in history with the amount of defences he has had. He hasn't fought a single guy who was 'world level' at the time of the fight or in the past.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

3 hours ago, Grewks said:

 

'google knowledge'....

 

 

The fact you're defending Wilder, a guy who has been unwilling to fight any serious contender after 30+ fights, suggests to me that your boxing knowledge is fairly limited.

 

Wilder must be the weakest world heavyweight champion in history with the amount of defences he has had. He hasn't fought a single guy who was 'world level' at the time of the fight or in the past.

Neither had David Haye (at HW) or Anthony Joshua but when Haye held the WBA and with AJ now, the jizzfest is unreal.

 

The Heavyweight scene is really exciting at the moment but it lacks quality.

 

Fury is technically the best but his fights are pretty dull as a result and the rest out there from what i've seen maybe with the exception of Parker, are basically just big hitters.

 

I doubt any of them will want to have to chase Fury around a ring for 12 rounds.

[Manwell Pablo]

7 hours ago, Grewks said:

 

'google knowledge'....

 

 

The fact you're defending Wilder, a guy who has been unwilling to fight any serious contender after 30+ fights, suggests to me that your boxing knowledge is fairly limited.

 

Wilder must be the weakest world heavyweight champion in history with the amount of defences he has had. He hasn't fought a single guy who was 'world level' at the time of the fight or in the past.

 

What you are mate, Google troll, expert in sailing one minute, Johnny Nelson the next, normally if you read what you've written it's basically copy and pasted off the subjects Wikipedia page. Don't think people haven't noticed, it is common knowledge.

 

Who's defending him, saying he's got a better record and more international pulling power than Bellew at heavy weight who's record is one fight  vs an opponent who had no right standing never mind fighting is rather more stating the obvious other than defending him. You are right he's chinny and not fought anyone who could be described as anything special but then who has. Hopefully some better fights will be made in general in the next 6-18 months given we've got three men who claim they want to unify the division.

 

Edited 8 March 2017 by Manwell Pablo

[Realist Guy In The Room]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

What you are mate, Google troll, expert in sailing one minute, Johnny Nelson the next, normally if you read what you've written it's basically copy and pasted off the subjects Wikipedia page. Don't think people haven't noticed, it is common knowledge.

 

Who's defending him, saying he's got a better record and more international pulling power than Bellew at heavy weight who's record is one fight  vs an opponent who had no right standing never mind fighting is rather more stating the obvious other than defending him. You are right he's chinny and not fought anyone who could be described as anything special but then who has. Hopefully some better fights will be made in general in the next 6-18 months given we've got three men who claim they want to unify the division.

 

I doubt the division will ever be unified because of the way promoters work.  Agreeing terms would be impossible.

[Manwell Pablo]

4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

I doubt the division will ever be unified because of the way promoters work.  Agreeing terms would be impossible.

 

Oh whether is will happen is an entirely different story, what I am saying is there is enough fighters claiming they are going to do it to hopefully create some decent match ups.

[Kendal Fox]

23 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

He's been a professional boxer for less than four years and has had 18 professional fights, you don't just walk into super fights you need to build a record. if he wins next month he is heavyweight king of the world. You need to lose this opinion as it's ridiculous, it is not Eddie Hearns fault you paid to watch career building fights. To be quite frank to hear someone claim he should have been moving quicker is just bizarre, Joshua's rise to the top is one of the quickest in modern boxing. Two belts before 20 fights? near enough, if not actually unheard of.

 

Besides I'd wait and see what state he is in before you start calling Wlad a decent opponent, if he's got worse rather than better during the last 15 months he might do well to hang around as long as Whyte and Brezeale.

I get you. But think for me, what he is trying to say is that the level of hype is out-stripping the majority of performances, which are usually against over matched opposition.

 

My issue with Joshua is that yes, he has only had 18 pro fights. But, why fast track him to a world title if he isn't ready? Like previous world champs who ultimately went on long reigns, why not build him up sensibly but incrementally, so that when he does fight for a world title, he has a decent amount of experience against a variety of styles?

 

I feel with Hearn and AJ, they want it both ways and are largely getting it. It's not just them of course, but essentialy, I just don't agree with world champs learning on the job. Just digressing, but I expect Joshua to beat Klitschko, though for me, what will decide his greatness or not is how he fares against his own generation - Wilder, Parker, Hughie and Tyson Fury, etc.

Edited 8 March 2017 by Kendal Fox

[Realist Guy In The Room]

3 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

I get you. But think for me, what he is trying to say is that the level of hype is out-stripping the majority of performances, which are usually against over matched opposition.

 

My issue with Joshua is that yes, he has only had 18 pro fights. But, why fast track him to a world title if he isn't ready? Like previous world champs who ultimately went on long reigns, why not build him up sensibly but incrementally, so that when he does fight for a world title, he has a decent amount of experience against a variety of styles?

 

I feel with Hearn and AJ, they want it both ways and are largely getting it. It's not just them of course, but essentialy, I just don't agree with world champs learning on the job. Just digressing, but I expect Joshua to beat Klitschko, though for me, what will decide his greatness or not is how he fares against his own generation - Wilder, Parker, Hughie and Tyson Fury, etc.

I think it would be fantastic if Hughie beat Parker and brought the belt back for a fight with AJ.

 

Hughie Fury suffers a similar negativity as Tyson mainly because he always looks like shit going into a fight so nobody really takes him seriously.

 

Like Tyson though, he definitely has the fundamentals.

[Kendal Fox]

13 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

I think it would be fantastic if Hughie beat Parker and brought the belt back for a fight with AJ.

 

Hughie Fury suffers a similar negativity as Tyson mainly because he always looks like shit going into a fight so nobody really takes him seriously.

 

Like Tyson though, he definitely has the fundamentals.

Yeah, I agree. I was never sure about Tyson due to the fact that also, like Joshua, he had his fair share of poor opponents, at times fighting down to their level and getting into trouble here and there. But though Wlad had definitely seen better days, I was impressed by how well Fury bent at the waist, slipped punches from Wlad, turned him etc.. For such a tall guy, that was impressive.

Think Hughie has a good chance vs Parker. Agree that he is overlooked, though I can't think of any fight where he's looked that bad, he just doesn't look great but gets the job done. He definitely could be similar to Tyson in that he might be better, the better the opposition is.

Edited 8 March 2017 by Kendal Fox

[Manwell Pablo]

2 hours ago, Kendal Fox said:

I get you. But think for me, what he is trying to say is that the level of hype is out-stripping the majority of performances, which are usually against over matched opposition.

 

My issue with Joshua is that yes, he has only had 18 pro fights. But, why fast track him to a world title if he isn't ready? Like previous world champs who ultimately went on long reigns, why not build him up sensibly but incrementally, so that when he does fight for a world title, he has a decent amount of experience against a variety of styles?

 

I feel with Hearn and AJ, they want it both ways and are largely getting it. It's not just them of course, but essentialy, I just don't agree with world champs learning on the job. Just digressing, but I expect Joshua to beat Klitschko, though for me, what will decide his greatness or not is how he fares against his own generation - Wilder, Parker, Hughie and Tyson Fury, etc.

 

Business men at the end of the day aren't they if the can generate a bit of hype dragging any old twat  across the pond for him to beat up their gonna do it and it's not their fault people lap it up. His under cards are normally the business for AJ fights as well, he knows he needs to put a few decent fights and sell the evening as opposed to just the fight as if it was all about AJ knocking someone over he'd not do anywhere as well.

 

He got fast tracked because Glazkov fell over and Charles Martin somehow ended up World Champion, thats an opportunity you take if it is there. He was ready to win that belt, and ready to defend it against all but about four men. It's just mad for me, especially so as he's made it clear he for some time he is after a big fight and has now made one. 

 

I think his career has been managed very well myself, it's been built around whats best for Anthony Joshua at the time,  both in learning experiences and increase in profile.

 

EDIT: Also in the pro Hughie Fury camp, I wouldn't worry about what he looks like either itll be a darn sight better than Fat Andy Ruiz when he fought him and he took him to a tight decision.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 March 2017 by Manwell Pablo

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Looks like Bellew Vs Parker is agreed if Parker gets past Fury!

[Manwell Pablo]

3 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Looks like Bellew Vs Parker is agreed if Parker gets past Fury!

source? dunt say ketchup

[Grewks]

7 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

What you are mate, Google troll, expert in sailing one minute, Johnny Nelson the next, normally if you read what you've written it's basically copy and pasted off the subjects Wikipedia page. Don't think people haven't noticed, it is common knowledge.

 

Who's defending him, saying he's got a better record and more international pulling power than Bellew at heavy weight who's record is one fight  vs an opponent who had no right standing never mind fighting is rather more stating the obvious other than defending him. You are right he's chinny and not fought anyone who could be described as anything special but then who has. Hopefully some better fights will be made in general in the next 6-18 months given we've got three men who claim they want to unify the division.

 

I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but nor do i post anything from Wikipedia, i just give my opinion based on facts.

 

Watch Wilder's last fight against Washington. Washington is a domestic level fighter and he was 'outboxing' Wilder and on my card, and many others, won virtually every single round.

 

Joshua has half the fights that Wilder has had....yet he's fighting a guy in April who has more world championship fights than all of Wilder's opponents together and will be considered an ATG upon his retirement.

 

As for Wilder having more 'international pulling power'...if that's the case:

 

1 - Why didn't Wilder fight Haye instead of Washington, would have earnt a lot more $$$$ and have in impressive name on his resume (For once)

 

2 - Why is Tyson fury's camp even contemplating a fight with Bellew?

 

 

 

Wilder's international pulling power is dreadful . Bellew v Haye attracted more sales than any of Wilder's past fights.

 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

3 hours ago, Grewks said:

I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but nor do i post anything from Wikipedia, i just give my opinion based on facts.

 

Watch Wilder's last fight against Washington. Washington is a domestic level fighter and he was 'outboxing' Wilder and on my card, and many others, won virtually every single round.

 

Joshua has half the fights that Wilder has had....yet he's fighting a guy in April who has more world championship fights than all of Wilder's opponents together and will be considered an ATG upon his retirement.

 

As for Wilder having more 'international pulling power'...if that's the case:

 

1 - Why didn't Wilder fight Haye instead of Washington, would have earnt a lot more $$$$ and have in impressive name on his resume (For once)

 

2 - Why is Tyson fury's camp even contemplating a fight with Bellew?

 

 

 

Wilder's international pulling power is dreadful . Bellew v Haye attracted more sales than any of Wilder's past fights.

 

 

 

 

Your a fcking trolly with a search engine and everyone knows it.

 

 sums you up entirely. Do you think I need to watch that fight  Now you see if you were actually interested in boxing, and not some jumped up social media troll talking about whatever the hot topic is, you'd of been here when Wilder fought Washington, you'd of already of seen that I watched the fight, live, and you'd already know my opinion on it. I do hope you enjoyed watching it on YouTube this evening though. I'm sure someone else can explain away the rest of that rubbish.

 

I tell you what, as I am not getting drawn into your rubbish, we will just see if Tony Bellew and Deyonte Wilder ever fight at Goodison before either retires and leave at that shall we? You can admit you were wrong when it becomes clear it's never going to happen.

[Grewks]

16 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Your a fcking trolly with a search engine and everyone knows it.

 

 sums you up entirely. Do you think I need to watch that fight  Now you see if you were actually interested in boxing, and not some jumped up social media troll talking about whatever the hot topic is, you'd of been here when Wilder fought Washington, you'd of already of seen that I watched the fight, live, and you'd already know my opinion on it. I do hope you enjoyed watching it on YouTube this evening though. I'm sure someone else can explain away the rest of that rubbish.

 

I tell you what, as I am not getting drawn into your rubbish, we will just see if Tony Bellew and Deyonte Wilder ever fight at Goodison before either retires and leave at that shall we? You can admit you were wrong when it becomes clear it's never going to happen.

Why would i be here if i was watching the fight?

 

Jesus man.

 

Why would no fight between Bellew and Wilder prove me wrong? I said Bellew would want, and imo deserve, another big world title fight at Goodison.....not that it should happen.

 

 

You believe Wilder has a bigger international reputation than Bellew? The ppv results from their last fights prove you wrong.

 

Molina troubled Wilder's chin and Washington outboxed him, not the signs of a 'world class' fighter.

 

 

Edit: Who is Deyonte Wilder? Reckon he has a chance against Anthone Joshua or Tysan Fury?

 

How can a boxing expert like yourself not even know how to spell his name ffs?

Edited 9 March 2017 by Grewks

[Manwell Pablo]

12 hours ago, Grewks said:

Why would i be here if i was watching the fight?

 

Jesus man.

 

Why would no fight between Bellew and Wilder prove me wrong? I said Bellew would want, and imo deserve, another big world title fight at Goodison.....not that it should happen.

 

 

You believe Wilder has a bigger international reputation than Bellew? The ppv results from their last fights prove you wrong.

 

Molina troubled Wilder's chin and Washington outboxed him, not the signs of a 'world class' fighter.

 

 

Edit: Who is Deyonte Wilder? Reckon he has a chance against Anthone Joshua or Tysan Fury?

 

How can a boxing expert like yourself not even know how to spell his name ffs?

 You weren't watching the fight  you only started watching boxing a week ago.

 

No they don't  and surely I don't have to explain why either?

 

Everyone knows I can't spell for shit, I can barley spell Ranieri consistently. You're getting a bit desperate now Grewkes.

 

 'World Class'  put the stawmen away it's embarrassing. 

 

 

[kingfox]

7 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 You weren't watching the fight  you only started watching boxing a week ago.

 

No they don't  and surely I don't have to explain why either?

 

Everyone knows I can't spell for shit, I can barley spell Ranieri consistently. You're getting a bit desperate now Grewkes.

 

 'World Class'  put the stawmen away it's embarrassing. 

 

 

Oi Pabs, stop bullying people.

 

Disgrace, should be banned.

[Manwell Pablo]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Oi Pabs, stop bullying people.

 

Disgrace, should be banned.

 

I only bully you Gavin, and that's because I know I can get away with it because non of the moderators like you.