Boxing

[Kendal Fox]

6 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

What's he supposed to do though at the ridiculously late stage in the day, really, fcked if he is fcked if he isn't scenario for him. Imagine the up roar if sick note cancels another fight........you can perhaps argue if he hadn't pulled out of so many fights in his career he may of got the benefit of the doubt but who is to say they were also not genuine I guess......he had little choice other to go in there and hope for the best and tbf he was winning the fight before the real damage occurred in the sixth....just one of those things. He should just take his money admit he is an utter bionic man these days and hang the gloves up now, but he wont. 

 

 

Fair enough, reasoned points, can't say Haye wasn't a top Cruiser weight myself but there we are.

 

Indeed but Rahman and McCall though  it is a shame really his CV is really that of one of the all time greats otherwise. And don't get me wrong I think Calazaghe would of gone to Germany and knocked him out if they had fought just making the point you can question most fighters records in one way or another. You could even claim he dodged Froch I guess. 

I get you. I think for me, Lewis is probably my number 1 Brit, not only for unifying the heavyweight division but also that he really brought the spotlight back to Brits boxing at world level and paved the way for the likes of Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan, etc.. But yes, it was embarrassing losing to Rahman and McCall and though he avenged both defeats, the carelessness he displayed in losing to them in the first place still is a fair point to raise.

 

 

[mancunianfox]

I'm an absolute wuss but I'd get into the ring with Bellew with two injured legs for the 4 million Haye was picking up! No way is he backing out of that at 36 with not a lot of options left on the table. 

 

Haye is probably the greatest self-promoter we have ever produced but it precisely because of that talent that his career will always seem disappointing because he has never been able to back up the talk when it matters. He had great nights against Mormeck, Maccarinelli and Valuev but that resume doesn't really hold a candle to many of his contemporaries.

[shade]

33 minutes ago, mancunianfox said:

I'm an absolute wuss but I'd get into the ring with Bellew with two injured legs for the 4 million Haye was picking up! No way is he backing out of that at 36 with not a lot of options left on the table. 

 

Haye is probably the greatest self-promoter we have ever produced but it precisely because of that talent that his career will always seem disappointing because he has never been able to back up the talk when it matters. He had great nights against Mormeck, Maccarinelli and Valuev but that resume doesn't really hold a candle to many of his contemporaries.

There was nobody for him to fight, apart from klitschko, and he only won by jabbing him out of range. If a fight was won on damage inflicted (which obviously it's not), Haye would have won that fight. Sadly Haye get's judged on the lack of quality opponents for him to fight. I still maintain, that an uninjured Haye, 6 years ago, beats both Klitschkos, Joshua, Bellew, Briggs, Whyte, Chisora, Wilder, Fury et al.

Edited 6 March 2017 by shade

[GaelicFox]

32 minutes ago, shade said:

There was nobody for him to fight, apart from klitschko, and he only won by jabbing him out of range. If a fight was won on damage inflicted (which obviously it's not), Haye would have won that fight. Sadly Haye get's judged on the lack of quality opponents for him to fight. I still maintain, that an uninjured Haye, 6 years ago, beats both Klitschkos, Joshua, Bellew, Briggs, Whyte, Chisora, Wilder, Fury et al.

Briggs , whyte and wilder yes 

 

klitsckos , Joshua and Fury close but no for me 

 

it's only an opinion 

 

Haye's legacy is ducking Fury , loosing to Klitschko and being constantly injured 

 

not a top heavyweight 

[lestajigs]

1 hour ago, Kendal Fox said:

I get you. I think for me, Lewis is probably my number 1 Brit, not only for unifying the heavyweight division but also that he really brought the spotlight back to Brits boxing at world level and paved the way for the likes of Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan, etc.. But yes, it was embarrassing losing to Rahman and McCall and though he avenged both defeats, the carelessness he displayed in losing to them in the first place still is a fair point to raise.

 

 

Lewis was Canadian  

[GaelicFox]

17 minutes ago, lestajigs said:

Lewis was Canadian  

Ahh now come on he was born here 

[Manwell Pablo]

 

1 hour ago, lestajigs said:

Lewis was Canadian  

 

42 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

Ahh now come on he was born here 

 

I didnt even even know he was dead tbh.

[Izzy]

So Tyson Fury announces his comeback for May 13th.

Great, can't wait 

[Spiritwalker]

4 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

Briggs , whyte and wilder yes 

 

klitsckos , Joshua and Fury close but no for me 

 

it's only an opinion 

 

Haye's legacy is ducking Fury , loosing to Klitschko and being constantly injured 

 

not a top heavyweight 

 

5 hours ago, shade said:

There was nobody for him to fight, apart from klitschko, and he only won by jabbing him out of range. If a fight was won on damage inflicted (which obviously it's not), Haye would have won that fight. Sadly Haye get's judged on the lack of quality opponents for him to fight. I still maintain, that an uninjured Haye, 6 years ago, beats both Klitschkos, Joshua, Bellew, Briggs, Whyte, Chisora, Wilder, Fury et al.

Haye never lost the Klitschko fight because of injury, he lost because he was too cautious.

Haye lacked the confidence and conviction to take the fight to him until late in the fight, by

then it was too late.

[GaelicFox]

4 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

 

Haye never lost the Klitschko fight because of injury, he lost because he was too cautious.

Haye lacked the confidence and conviction to take the fight to him until late in the fight, by

then it was too late.

He lost because he wasn't good enough 

 

simples 

[Spiritwalker]

2 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

He lost because he wasn't good enough 

 

simples 

Maybe, but when he did have a go he caused Klitschko some problems.

Just a shame he fought most of that fight in such a negative way.

[GaelicFox]

Just now, Spiritwalker said:

Maybe, but when he did have a go he caused Klitschko some problems.

Just a shame he fought most of that fight in such a negative way.

I'm not sure it's a "maybe" .... he has now conclusively been proven to be a hype monkey 

 

he was explosive and not negative against inferior opposition 

 

he was found out  when fighting or avoiding fighting true heavyweight champions 

 

he has been robbing a living since klitch beat him 

[kingfox]

Just got round to watching Thurman vs Garcia, a decent fight but expected better. Had Thurman winning by 7 rounds to 5. Garcia left it too late, much better work from Thurman in the early and middle rounds.

 

Welterweight division is stacked.

[Grewks]

12 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I'm struggling why you think Wilder or Parker, the current defending champions and still bigger international names than Bellew, are going to hop on a plane to and fight Tony in own back yard. Parker maybe because of higher TV revenue, but Wilder surely better off in Las Vegas or New York. 

 

But I think you are right if he can get a deal done with either in the next 12-15 months he will give it a go and retire. I think Wilder has a mandatory rematch with Stiverne to arrange though so I dunno how feasible it will be, could be Parker assuming he deals with Fury.  

 

Pretty sure Bellew made more last night, than Parker or Wilder have in any previous fights.

 

As I said before, Bellew currently has a better resume at Heavyweight than Wilder.

 

I'd give Bellew a better chance against Wilder, than Wilder against Joshua.

 

Some of the shots landed by both Haye and Bellew the other night, would have floored Wilder.

[Grewks]

Also for those with the 'Hearn is only attracting casuals' point of view.

 

1) Boxing has been dead in this country for so long, that there simply isn't enough 'hardcore' fans left to ensure top fights can be made, and made over here and not in the U.S.

 

2) GGG V Brook and Haye V Bellew were seen as 'one side demolition jobs' by most. Whilst Whyte v Chisora was just seen as a fight which wouldn't live up to the fight. Whyte v Chisora was one of the best heavyweight fights of the last decade, whilst Brook gave GGG his toughest fight and Bellew actually beat Haye.

 

Hearn, whether you like the guy or not, is growing boxing again in this country, so he's doing something right.

[GaelicFox]

43 minutes ago, Grewks said:

Also for those with the 'Hearn is only attracting casuals' point of view.

 

1) Boxing has been dead in this country for so long, that there simply isn't enough 'hardcore' fans left to ensure top fights can be made, and made over here and not in the U.S.

 

2) GGG V Brook and Haye V Bellew were seen as 'one side demolition jobs' by most. Whilst Whyte v Chisora was just seen as a fight which wouldn't live up to the fight. Whyte v Chisora was one of the best heavyweight fights of the last decade, whilst Brook gave GGG his toughest fight and Bellew actually beat Haye.

 

Hearn, whether you like the guy or not, is growing boxing again in this country, so he's doing something right.

Ya I'll accept that 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 hours ago, Grewks said:

 

Pretty sure Bellew made more last night, than Parker or Wilder have in any previous fights.

 

As I said before, Bellew currently has a better resume at Heavyweight than Wilder.

 

I'd give Bellew a better chance against Wilder, than Wilder against Joshua.

 

Some of the shots landed by both Haye and Bellew the other night, would have floored Wilder.

long insightful posts are useless with you as you pick random things in them to construct trolling straw man arguments. So to play you at your own game.

 

So? Wilder bellew LA > wilder bellew Liverpool 

 

no he doesn't.

 

irrelevant

 

as neither man landed a particularly great shot all night, incorrect.

Edited 7 March 2017 by Manwell Pablo

[Collymore]

3 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

So Tyson Fury announces his comeback for May 13th.

Great, can't wait 

 

you seen him recently? What ever keep fit vid he'll be using over the next few weeks II'll have a copy!

 

Edited 7 March 2017 by Collymore

[Finnegan]

7 hours ago, Collymore said:

 

you seen him recently? What ever keep fit vid he'll be using over the next few weeks II'll have a copy!

 

 

Maybe he's just taking the Valuev route and getting as massive as possible.

[Nick]

So whilst I think this guy is a daft dinosaur that belongs in a bad 70's movie, he should be given the chance to fulfil his sporting goals.

 

I disagree with just about everything he stands for and do not buy any kind of cultural differences as an excuse for his behaviours.

 

The abuse he got was entirely proportionate to the values and views he publicly aired - though he's had some time out and wants to set himself a goal to come back and compete - whether that's for his own health and sanity or just for cash we'll see, but I wouldn't wish depression on anybody and its somehow worse when people ridicule you when you've just done something amazing, taking all the good things away at the same time - its crushing.

 

I welcome him back to the ring though this time I hope he lets his boxing do the talking, gets media support in terms of his own public profiles and sticks to being a professional sportsperson rather than a prejudiced, pantomime cliche. He needs to not let the media build him up again to knock him down. Hopefully he's on the upward slope of his learning curve.

[EnderbyFox]

9 hours ago, Collymore said:

 

you seen him recently? What ever keep fit vid he'll be using over the next few weeks II'll have a copy!

 

[Guest Col city fan]

On 3/6/2017 at 10:19, Lako42 said:

I can't believe how tedious boxing is these days, people still get drawn in by the same money making drama tactics.

 

The public really are special in the way they constantly lap the same old fakery up and people like Hearn exploit it beautifully

It isn't like it used to be. Yeah, there was razzmatazz, but the fights were just more 'raw' if you like....generally less build up and not so staged. The whole AJ affair epitomises it. He's what? 26/27? And only now about to have a decent fight against a decent opponent.

Edited 7 March 2017 by Col city fan

[Kendal Fox]

20 hours ago, lestajigs said:

Lewis was Canadian  

Born in East London and moved to Canada at the age of 12. Yes, he represented Canada at the Olympics, but he is British born and bred.

 

*I realise you might be joking so disregard if you are!*

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

It isn't like it used to be. Yeah, there was razzmatazz, but the fights were just more 'raw' if you like....generally less build up and not so staged. The whole AJ affair epitomises it. He's what? 26/27? And only now about to have a decent fight against a decent opponent.

 

He's been a professional boxer for less than four years and has had 18 professional fights, you don't just walk into super fights you need to build a record. if he wins next month he is heavyweight king of the world. You need to lose this opinion as it's ridiculous, it is not Eddie Hearns fault you paid to watch career building fights. To be quite frank to hear someone claim he should have been moving quicker is just bizarre, Joshua's rise to the top is one of the quickest in modern boxing. Two belts before 20 fights? near enough, if not actually unheard of.

 

Besides I'd wait and see what state he is in before you start calling Wlad a decent opponent, if he's got worse rather than better during the last 15 months he might do well to hang around as long as Whyte and Brezeale.

[GaelicFox]

4 hours ago, Col city fan said:

It isn't like it used to be. Yeah, there was razzmatazz, but the fights were just more 'raw' if you like....generally less build up and not so staged. The whole AJ affair epitomises it. He's what? 26/27? And only now about to have a decent fight against a decent opponent.

I'm not sure either about him but in fairness he has been extremely impressive to this point and has been well managed 

 

I suspect the only man to give him a proper fight in the futures is a fat blobby mess 

 

but if Fury shapes up and gets his head sorted then he will give AJ a true test next year