Ford Super Sunday Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Woe betide any football pundit/player/manager has the temerity to criticise us eh?
Nick Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Huh? Are you enlightening us with your acumen again nicholas?
accessory Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Stevie Claridge has not had a good word to say about LCFC since he became a pundit on 'The Championship' He works for the beeb, not ITV. The programme he presents is called The Football League Show.
accessory Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Well actually, I would suggest that being "anti" your team's manager pretty much does equate being "anti" your team, given that football fans are supposed to be the ones who get behind their club (the word "supporter" saying rather a lot...) What a ridiculous statement. I pay money to the team and the club. Managers come and go, while fans remain forever. If managers aren't up to the job than we'll say so on here and elsewhere, as we've had to do (regrettably) on many occasions in recent years. Not to say you can't question the manager's decisions, of course that's a natural part of being a fan. But if you're really "anti-sven" before this season's even kicked off and before seeing a minute of proper football, then that's pretty poor support in my opinion. I suggest you re-read my previous post and the context in which I made it. At NO stage did I state I was anti-Sven. The comment was made in reference to Claridge's reported views on Sven as stated in the Daily Star article and his radio interview last week. Going "anti" your manager can only become justified once it becomes clear that he's simply not up to doing the job and someone else is needed (in modern football this state is very rarely achieved because managers are dispensed with as soon as a few matches start going wrong and trigger-happy owners think that a new manager's needed, when in fact giving the current one time would be much more efficient) That depends on the circumstances. In the most recent instances involving City (Holloway and Sousa) very few fans disagreed with their dismissals and said they should have been given more time. You don't have to bum Sven or agree with everything he does, Except, from your previous comments, it appears that we do.. Oh and P.S Claridge deserves respect as a footballer and, from what I hear, as a decent bloke. I'm afraid I'm in agreement with the majority on here in thinking that his punditry / journalistic skills are non-existent... I'm sure he'd have the deepest respect for your opinions too..
Bilbo Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 I don't really buy all this "is/ isn't the right manager to get us out of the division". In "The Championship" you can predict very little. Ian Holloway managed to get us relegated for the first time in our history and then managed to take relegation favourites Blackpool to the PL. Similarly with teams such as Middlesborough, good team on paper and a manager with a solid track record struggled all season. Also who would of thought Norwich would have breezed the league coming from League 1?
Guest ttfn Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Although the article just seems to plagiarise the 5Live interview, it is fair to say that the comments used haven't been taken out of context. Claridge was like a rabid dog from the first mention of Sven on that programme, and was completely unwilling to produce anything like a balanced viewpoint. I don't know if anyone listened to him on 5Live after England got knocked out of the World Cup and he absolutely layed into Capello, saying that he would have done this and that, and that Capello was a disgrace. He was completely unwilling to pass any of the blame on to the players. Just to remind everybody of Steve Claridge's managerial record. He was player-manager of Pompey for 25 games before suffering the humiliation of being demoted back to just playing again. He then went to Weymouth in the non-league before being sacked as Millwall manager before the season even started. And he's got the temerity to go on the radio criticising the track record of two (Sven and Capello) of the greatest European managers of the last 25 years?! Sure, we may criticise certain players or managers on here, but ultimately we are not paid for our opinions and it is natural to expect our views to be clouded by emotion. Furthermore, none of us have had the opportunity to manage a football club. We would probably fail spectacularly, we might not. Claridge is a proven failure. Claridge is paid to offer his opinions. As a professional, it should not be too much to ask that he provides some proper support for any views he does hold. If he can't support them, or is just being controversial, why bother opening your mouth? I hate the phrase "lazy-journalism" but that article is awash with it, both from the Star journalist and Claridge? Claridge comes across as an exceptionally bitter man. The same could be said about him last year when he laid into QPR, saying "they only win 1-0" and that they weren't very good. They were 10 points clear for most of the season!
gerrytaggart Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Yawn...if it wasnt for his shin I would think of him as a total tool...me nan knows more about football than him....its strange that someone who clearly knows he is a bit of a hero around these parts seems to go out of his way to change that. still everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Nick Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Are you enlightening us with your acumen again nicholas? Are you jumping in at any available opportunity to pick a fight Colin? Why do you do it to yourself?
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Are you jumping in at any available opportunity to pick a fight Colin? Why do you do it to yourself? Course not! I just didn't understand your post mi old mate....
Nick Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Course not! I just didn't understand your post mi old mate.... Well, Claridge I was really taken with in my youth, loved the fact he'd run round with his socks round his ankles and his shirt hanging out, get pushed around the park and yet still be in the right place to get the late goal. I'm not sure what happened between him and the football club. Something did though as I feel his views are tainted by some sort of bitterness toward the club. I say this because every time I see/hear him as a pundit/broadcaster whilst talking about 'the championship' - I have never heard him of late speak favourably about the football club. Annoys me a bit to be honest - simply don't think he is impartial.
CosbehFox Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Numerous people have summed it up. Good player etc. but his punditry is piss poor. Watch FLS and see how many times he says 'at this level'.
Guest Bilo Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Claridge comes across as a likeable chap to me and was a great player for us but his punditry is suspect to say the least. He's certainly wrong more often than he's right. That said, I'd rather see expectations kept in check. Every man and his dog predicting that we'll storm the league will do us no good at all.
gazfox9 Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Like I said in the last Claridge thread, respect him massively for what he done on the pitch for our club. Off it, however, as a pundit the only person I can compare him to is Jimmy Greaves.And as for him choosing not to back us, well given his track record with gambling (wasn't he living out of his car at one point), I'm more than happy with that.
chesterfox Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 tbh who knows who is right? Isnt that the whole challenge? Sven has been lucky cos he has had the funds to support his udgement hence the jealousy/criticism. Who wouldnt want that opportunity? I hope naturally that Sven gets it right and we can all prove the doubters wrong but until that first day of the season or actually the last game of the season everyone will have an opinion - let them have it - hopefully next season we can moan about Premier clubs saying we bought promotion!
ithuriel Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Our defence is untested and will need time to bed in, our midfield is basically the same and our forward line is weak and needs attention but at this time of preseason other teams who will challenge are not the finished article yet either.
Scow Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 It appears that Claridge's opinion has been constructed by that away game at Cardiff alone - I think probably the only Leicester game from last season that he watched from start to finish. However, I’ve been impressed with his scouting reports on The Guardian – insightful stuff. He’s a bit hit and miss, but at least attempts some meaningful analysis, unlike Alan Shearer.
Tomassi Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Claridge clearly knows his stuff... he has been in the game in most areas and has a pretty good knowledge... just because he says things that we leicester fans may or may not agree with doesnt mean he is clueless... thats just his opinion on us... wouldn't the best way to show him by actions rather than slag him off?
accessory Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 It appears that Claridge's opinion has been constructed by that away game at Cardiff alone - I think probably the only Leicester game from last season that he watched from start to finish. However, I’ve been impressed with his scouting reports on The Guardian – insightful stuff. He’s a bit hit and miss, but at least attempts some meaningful analysis, unlike Alan Shearer. There were several other City games (away at QPR, Reading and Forest) which all featured heavily on the Football League Show towards the end of last season and which Claridge would have seen in detail. In none of those matches did the outcome reflect well on us. Is it any wonder his perceptions of us may be slightly skewed? It should also be remembered that in English football to date (with England and Manchester City) Sven hasn't exactly fulfilled expectations. While he appears to have been shrewd with his summer signings to date, the proof of this will only come with results. Ultimately these results are the only means Sven and City have of silencing the critics.
stix Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 There were several other City games (away at QPR, Reading and Forest) which all featured heavily on the Football League Show towards the end of last season and which Claridge would have seen in detail. In none of those matches did the outcome reflect well on us. Is it any wonder his perceptions of us may be slightly skewed? It should also be remembered that in English football to date (with England and Manchester City) Sven hasn't exactly fulfilled expectations. While he appears to have been shrewd with his summer signings to date, the proof of this will only come with results. Ultimately these results are the only means Sven and City have of silencing the critics. Oh come on, you suggest that i am 'bumming sven' and yet you are quite clearly(although doing it the politicians way) a sven hater. Granted the result at qpr was ultimately disappointing but Warnock himself said that city were the best side he had seen at loftus road all season.
LestaFox92 Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Just go listen to the actual radio clip he hardly knew what he was going on about himself hence why when someone asked him i thought they were all loans he didn't have a answer and just shruged it off he's a joke of a pundit.
Corky Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 There were several other City games (away at QPR, Reading and Forest) which all featured heavily on the Football League Show towards the end of last season and which Claridge would have seen in detail. In none of those matches did the outcome reflect well on us. Is it any wonder his perceptions of us may be slightly skewed? We were by no means disgraced at QPR, many feeling we should've come away with a point, possibly even three.
Scow Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 There were several other City games (away at QPR, Reading and Forest) which all featured heavily on the Football League Show towards the end of last season and which Claridge would have seen in detail. In none of those matches did the outcome reflect well on us. Is it any wonder his perceptions of us may be slightly skewed? It should also be remembered that in English football to date (with England and Manchester City) Sven hasn't exactly fulfilled expectations. While he appears to have been shrewd with his summer signings to date, the proof of this will only come with results. Ultimately these results are the only means Sven and City have of silencing the critics. ‘Detail’ is very much open to interpretation – I wonder if Claridge watches more than edited highlights played on the FLS? Despite the outcome at QPR, we were the more accomplished team that day. The Reading and Forest games were characterised by poor defending rather than being ‘outplayed’. Given the changes to the starting eleven, in particular to the back four, it’s no wonder we ended up losing games against teams of a more stable nature.
Bezzanator89 Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 If this season doesn't go as expected, and trust me there's a high chance that it will go as expected, expect Claridge to being smug and doing the "I told you so" dance. Personally I'm disappointed that he feels the way he does and failing to show the optimism that everyone is showing before the start of the new season, but they are still his views and we should respect them. If he chooses to be controversial, let him, he still goes down as a Leicester City legend in my books regardless.
Conscript Fox Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 From what I have seen of Claridge, he is a very poor pundit, that phone in show on Sky he does, (used to do, not sure if its still on) was unwatchable, I realise a phone in is never going to be compelling viewing, but he was really awful there. Following on from that, he is a very weak link on an otherwise decent Football League show. His opinions seem to me to be, ill thought out and based on little or no tangible subject knowledge at times, just an assumed kind of, know it all attitude, which I find insulting and often hit the mute button till the action comes back on. This can be traced to his phone in show as well, where I have seen him bristle with intolerance if anyone actually challenged him properly, with proper detailed knowledge on a subject. Very quick to dismiss those who havent played as not worth hearing out, which is not always the case, and gives a glance at his personality that doesnt paint him in a good light. Leicester are an easy target, so he took a cheap shot, again with gaps where the facts should be, on fees etc. But it will suit him, the division is littered with former favourites so he may be proved correct, and he knows this, even if he doesnt know enough to properly speak about this club at this moment in time. The best thing would be to ram it down his throat by winning the divison at a canter, which would be nice, with us ganging up on the **** through the season online through the show in an attempt to make it nice and uncomfortable for him, and bring to the attention of those who pay him, how badly spent that money is.
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