1994fox Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 I sent this email to the club a while ago ( in truth id completely forgotten all about it ) as i was interested in what stance the club had on issues i had heard about on this forum. Hi, I would just like to know what rights a football fan has in regards to standing, singing, wearing clothes that the club doesn't approve off .e.g scarfs of an "ultra group" , being ejected forcibly by stewards and the grounds on which the club can enforce bans. I speak on behalf of many Leicester fans whom are becoming concerned with the treatment the club are handing out too, what i view as real fans, who provide what little atmosphere we have at the walkers. Thank you very much for your help, I was told it had been forwarded to LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks" and i have just received her reply. I found the response very interesting and informative and she appeared genuinely concerned about the "ongoing issues" with Leicester fans. Thanks for getting in touch and apologies for the delay in responding. I'm fully aware of ongoing "issues" at Leicester and the difficulties some supporters are facing. With regard to persistent standing you'll know that this is against ground regulations and clubs are obliged to encourage/make supporters to sit although some put more effort into doing so than others. It is however generally acceptable to stand at "moments of high excitement" and at some clubs fans make sure they sit during the quieter moments or during a substitution so they can't be accused of persistent standing. It is though a difficult balance to acheive. Let me know how the stewards manage this next season. With regard to forcefully ejecting supporters, stewards can use reasonable force if necessary. The key is what is deemed reasonable. Again, let me know specific examples of this next season and I can advise on a case by case basis. If any fan is injured or suffers scratches or bruises etc during an ejection, do write down immediately what happened and take photographs of any injuries. Singing? Of course anything deemed offensive may find you in trouble, again specific examples would be helpful but generally speaking, clubs can't or shouldn't stop you singing. Clothing? A club can refuse admittance to who they like but should have good grounds for doing so and ideally those grounds should be in the terms and conditions and/or ground regulations. I can't find either on the official website. Are the ultra scarves in any way offensive? I really need specific examples to advise properly rather than generally. Please do stay in touch next season, let me know what you're up against and I'd be pleased to help and advise where I can. Kind regards Amanda
sbfox Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Snipped except for this... Hi, I would just like to know what rights a football fan has in regards to standing, singing, wearing clothes that the club doesn't approve off .e.g scarfs of an "ultra group" , being ejected forcibly by stewards and the grounds on which the club can enforce bans. I speak on behalf of many Leicester fans whom are becoming concerned with the treatment the club are handing out too, what i view as real fans, who provide what little atmosphere we have at the walkers. Thank you very much for your help, Why do we keep banging on about this... Standing - you have no right to persistently stand if you buy a ticket for the game Singing - sing what you want, unless its offensive Clothes - never an issue Don't even get me started on what a 'real fan' is. This issue has been done to death, let it die!!
Darkon84 Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Why do we keep banging on about this... Standing - you have no right to persistently stand if you buy a ticket for the game Singing - sing what you want, unless its offensive Clothes - never an issue Don't even get me started on what a 'real fan' is. This issue has been done to death, let it die!! Beat me to it!
ramboacdc Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 different people want different experiences at football. why is this guy wrong for chasing up something he wishes to experience at a game? i like to have a bovril at half time with a pie after a fag. doesnt mean im not a fan. doesnt mean im doing it wrong or doing it right. if this guy wants to paint himself bright blue and sing christmas carols he can. and its his right to have an opinion. dont have a pop at him cuz it isnt what you agree with.
B52 Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Standing - you have no right to persistently stand if you buy a ticket for the game So, if someone give me a ticket as a gift I'm entitled to persistantly stand .
Larry_LCFC Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 different people want different experiences at football. why is this guy wrong for chasing up something he wishes to experience at a game? i like to have a bovril at half time with a pie after a fag. doesnt mean im not a fan. doesnt mean im doing it wrong or doing it right. if this guy wants to paint himself bright blue and sing christmas carols he can. and its his right to have an opinion. dont have a pop at him cuz it isnt what you agree with. This. The hostility on this forum is quite frankly embarassing at times. It may have been discussed before but now we have some official answers from the club. I found it quite an interesting read and I think its good to know the club are willing to listen and are keen to improve the experience for fans. Its a far worthier thread than half of the crap on here to be honest.
ozleicester Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 at some clubs fans make sure they sit during the quieter moments or during a substitution so they can't be accused of persistent standing This intrigued me
Daggers Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 I think it's rather telling that the email from the club fails to mention anything about Maynard signing or the potential recall of DJ Campbell.
Foxes_Trust Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 I sent this email to the club a while ago ( in truth id completely forgotten all about it ) as i was interested in what stance the club had on issues i had heard about on this forum. Hi, I would just like to know what rights a football fan has in regards to standing, singing, wearing clothes that the club doesn't approve off .e.g scarfs of an "ultra group" , being ejected forcibly by stewards and the grounds on which the club can enforce bans. I speak on behalf of many Leicester fans whom are becoming concerned with the treatment the club are handing out too, what i view as real fans, who provide what little atmosphere we have at the walkers. Thank you very much for your help, I was told it had been forwarded to LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks" and i have just received her reply. I found the response very interesting and informative and she appeared genuinely concerned about the "ongoing issues" with Leicester fans. Thanks for getting in touch and apologies for the delay in responding. I'm fully aware of ongoing "issues" at Leicester and the difficulties some supporters are facing. With regard to persistent standing you'll know that this is against ground regulations and clubs are obliged to encourage/make supporters to sit although some put more effort into doing so than others. It is however generally acceptable to stand at "moments of high excitement" and at some clubs fans make sure they sit during the quieter moments or during a substitution so they can't be accused of persistent standing. It is though a difficult balance to acheive. Let me know how the stewards manage this next season. With regard to forcefully ejecting supporters, stewards can use reasonable force if necessary. The key is what is deemed reasonable. Again, let me know specific examples of this next season and I can advise on a case by case basis. If any fan is injured or suffers scratches or bruises etc during an ejection, do write down immediately what happened and take photographs of any injuries. Singing? Of course anything deemed offensive may find you in trouble, again specific examples would be helpful but generally speaking, clubs can't or shouldn't stop you singing. Clothing? A club can refuse admittance to who they like but should have good grounds for doing so and ideally those grounds should be in the terms and conditions and/or ground regulations. I can't find either on the official website. Are the ultra scarves in any way offensive? I really need specific examples to advise properly rather than generally. Please do stay in touch next season, let me know what you're up against and I'd be pleased to help and advise where I can. Kind regards Amanda Find this initial post somewhat confusing, as Amanda Jacks is from the FSF (not the club) & was previously a leading light in Stand Up, Sit Down. So Amanda would handle these issues from an FSF perspective but isn't representing the clubs views. It would certainly be an interesting development if the club were now asking for guidance from the FSF We have had regular contact with Amanda over a number of issues & indeed have previously advised that LCFC fans via message board to seek advice from the FSF.
Daggers Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 I think it's rather telling that the email from the Foxes Trust fails to mention how many members they have.
cc_star Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 at some clubs fans make sure they sit during the quieter moments or during a substitution so they can't be accused of persistent standing This intrigued me Has she just given people the loophole they need when stewards are having a go at them? Other than that though, people need to realise the club has to comply with its regulations and that it has terms & conditions, if people don't agree with those they don't have to buy a ticket/enter the ground. Protesting against those regulations & not the club itself is the way forward. Although if you can stand for 80mins and not be viewed as persistent it all becomes a moot point anyway (IMO, obviously not everyone's)
sbfox Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Has she just given people the loophole they need when stewards are having a go at them? Other than that though, people need to realise the club has to comply with its regulations and that it has terms & conditions, if people don't agree with those they don't have to buy a ticket/enter the ground. Protesting against those regulations & not the club itself is the way forward. Although if you can stand for 80mins and not be viewed as persistent it all becomes a moot point anyway (IMO, obviously not everyone's) I don't think so. She's a) not a club official and b) preventing no evidence at all, other than unsupported hearsay.
FuriousFox46 Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Sitting is safer, easier and more practical. Get over it. Different body positions will hardly alter the atmosphere. Also, you would lose that moment when the crowd jumps up after a goal.
B52 Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 I don't think so. She's a) not a club official and b) preventing no evidence at all, other than unsupported hearsay. Quote: "I was told it had been forwarded to LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks" and i have just received her reply." Why does the club forward the message if she don't act as the clubs official spokesman(LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks")?
sbfox Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Quote: "I was told it had been forwarded to LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks" and i have just received her reply." Why does the club forward the message if she don't act as the clubs official spokesman(LCFC's "Policing and Legal Case Worker Amanda Jacks")? Lord knows. She works for FSF apparently, hence not a club official.
liamsm Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Sitting is safer, easier and more practical. Get over it. Different body positions will hardly alter the atmosphere. Also, you would lose that moment when the crowd jumps up after a goal. I guess u are not very old, as the change in atmosphere was obvious when all seating was first implemented
ozleicester Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Sitting is safer, easier and more practical. Get over it. Different body positions will hardly alter the atmosphere. Also, you would lose that moment when the crowd jumps up after a goal. It doesnt have to be ALL standing, and believe me, differing body positions alter atmosphere enormously, oh and, you can also still jump when your standing.
AoWW Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 It doesnt have to be ALL standing, and believe me, differing body positions alter atmosphere enormously, oh and, you can also still jump when your standing. Oh god, you're not gonna be unruly and rebellious on Saturday, are you?
ozleicester Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Oh god, you're not gonna be unruly and rebellious on Saturday, are you? Im easily led astray, it takes a firm hand to keep me on task
AoWW Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Im easily led astray, it takes a firm hand to keep me on task Hmm, I'm thinking I might need to seek advice from Mrs Ozleicester! And as long as I can sit down to eat my pasty then I'll be a happy bunny. Trying to stand up and juggle a cup of molten coffee and a soggy pasty can go horribly wrong! Either that or I'll make you hold my bag, programme, keys, purse, jacket, sunglasses, etc, etc!
ozleicester Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 Hmm, I'm thinking I might need to seek advice from Mrs Ozleicester! And as long as I can sit down to eat my pasty then I'll be a happy bunny. Trying to stand up and juggle a cup of molten coffee and a soggy pasty can go horribly wrong! Either that or I'll make you hold my bag, programme, keys, purse, jacket, sunglasses, etc, etc! sounds like youve already spoken to her!
1994fox Posted 26 July 2011 Author Posted 26 July 2011 Lord knows. She works for FSF apparently, hence not a club official. Just realised i emailed the FSF aswell as LCFC. I completely forgot about that so i just presumed this was from LCFC. Had a bit of a mare here havnt i. Like i said it was such a long time ago ( best part of 6 months ) I just Posted this because i was curious and i thought other people might be. If your not you don't need to read it.
Dr The Singh Posted 26 July 2011 Posted 26 July 2011 The main thing is you are on talking terms and now is the time to move your relationship to the next level and hopefully get the home run!! Well Done!!
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