davieG Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 As a neutral all I can say is it's spoilt the game, what could have been a great open game has now become a game of attrition and I've lost a lot of interest in it. It didn't seem that bad certainly I've seen significantly more dangerous tackles completely ignored, I've always got the impression this ref likes to be the centre of attention anyway.
Finnegan Posted 15 October 2011 Author Posted 15 October 2011 Sorry Babba but bollocks. I don't ever buy into that 'ruined the event' sentimental bollocks. But that just isn't a red card, semi final or Sunday pub league. Yellow? Harsh but sure. Red? Not in a thousand years. You won't find any pro analyst or pundit justifying that call in a hu- MIKE FVCKING PHILLIPS!!!!
One Arm Babba Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Come on, it wasn't Jack Rodwell decision bad! It was yellow and possibly red.
Samu Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Sorry Babba but bollocks. I don't ever buy into that 'ruined the event' sentimental bollocks. But that just isn't a red card, semi final or Sunday pub league. Yellow? Harsh but sure. Red? Not in a thousand years. You won't find any pro analyst or pundit justifying that call in a hu- MIKE FVCKING PHILLIPS!!!! I have to disagree slightly. I agree that it was an incredibly harsh decision but there are plenty of people who are already saying that it should have been a red card. The problem here is down to consistency. There have been much worse tackles than this that haven't been punished. However the IRB stated that there is zero tolerance on dangerous tackles so in this respect the ref's decision was justified.
accessory Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Sorry Babba but bollocks. I don't ever buy into that 'ruined the event' sentimental bollocks. But that just isn't a red card, semi final or Sunday pub league. Yellow? Harsh but sure. Red? Not in a thousand years. You won't find any pro analyst or pundit justifying that call in a hu- MIKE FVCKING PHILLIPS!!!! Spear tackles have NO place at any level of the game. Warburton deserved to walk, and should be banned not only for the rest of the tournament, but for the Six Nations too. Even when down to 14 men, Wales had chances to win the game, but didn't have the bottle to take enough of them. That's the reason why France are in the final and you're not. Get over it.
RowlattsFox Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Must say, given the controversy surrounding everything, all the players and management have shown very little dissent. Imagine a football match with a decision like that. Bad tackle, but yellow would have been enough. I thought generally that reds are reserved for punches and other actions of violence, not tackles.
isaidno Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 France will get battered in the final, whoever they play next week
FoxyPV Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Wales should have won regardless of the red card. If they'd brought their kicking boots they'd be playing next week. Outstanding performance regardless. It was a tad harsh but I think the fact that he let go of the player in mid air and therefore was unable to bring him safely down to the ground again was the reason it was a red not a yellow. ABs win tomorrow and tank the French in the final. ITV's coverage was terrible. The reporter was trying to get Parras/ Yashvilli to say that the French didn't deserve to go through and that the red card ruined the match - such obvious bias. twat.
Finnegan Posted 15 October 2011 Author Posted 15 October 2011 Wales could have won, they bottled it. Bottled it? Really? Seriously? Do you actually follow the sport or are you just on the wind up? Do you have any idea how much of a massive task it is to play an hour of high-end, international rugby with a player less? And to still come within a point? At what point did any Welsh player "bottle" it? Leigh Halfpenny fell tragically short from the half way line and Stephen Jones hit the post from the touch line, somewhere he's struggled to convert from his entire career - he just isn't a Parra, Carter or Wilkinson. It was a monster performance, all things considered. A few more handling errors than in previous games, sure, but in harder conditions than we've had to put up with so far in the tournament as well given we've been one of the luckier sides with the barmy New Zealand weather. As for the dismissal itself, I'm furious enough as it is so anyone trying to get a reaction may as well not bother - you can't piss me off anymore than I am already. So anyone that sincerely wants to claim that was a red card offence is just going to make themselves look a complete and total weapon. He lost control of Clerc, it was somewhat dangerous, it was a penalty and he should have been sin-binned. But you rarely get a red card in rugby because of the enormous disparity it creates, a ref only ever acts with the red when there's malicious intent, the letter of the law is intentionally open to interpretation and Rolland has had a complete shocker. And if you think it's just Taffies having a moan, ask Francois Pienaar what he thought about it, or Ben Foden, Rory Lawson, Mark Cueto, the list goes on. If the officials had missed a forward pass or an offside that'd cost us, alright fair enough, or an incident like Phillips' try against Ireland in the Grand Slam? Easy to miss, these things happen in the speed of rugby. The ref can't see everything and some of them go your way and some of them don't, by and large it balances out. But to have an official make a conscious decision like that against you? Fuming. I'm off to the pub. God help anyone that mentions rugby. Que serious nerd-rage.
Head Honcho Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Wales could have won, they bottled it. You have absolutely no idea what you are on about. The French were never in it.
Head Honcho Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Bottled it? Really? Seriously? Do you actually follow the sport or are you just on the wind up? Do you have any idea how much of a massive task it is to play an hour of high-end, international rugby with a player less? And to still come within a point? At what point did any Welsh player "bottle" it? Leigh Halfpenny fell tragically short from the half way line and Stephen Jones hit the post from the touch line, somewhere he's struggled to convert from his entire career - he just isn't a Parra, Carter or Wilkinson. It was a monster performance, all things considered. A few more handling errors than in previous games, sure, but in harder conditions than we've had to put up with so far in the tournament as well given we've been one of the luckier sides with the barmy New Zealand weather. As for the dismissal itself, I'm furious enough as it is so anyone trying to get a reaction may as well not bother - you can't piss me off anymore than I am already. So anyone that sincerely wants to claim that was a red card offence is just going to make themselves look a complete and total weapon. He lost control of Clerc, it was somewhat dangerous, it was a penalty and he should have been sin-binned. But you rarely get a red card in rugby because of the enormous disparity it creates, a ref only ever acts with the red when there's malicious intent, the letter of the law is intentionally open to interpretation and Rolland has had a complete shocker. And if you think it's just Taffies having a moan, ask Francois Pienaar what he thought about it, or Ben Foden, Rory Lawson, Mark Cueto, the list goes on. If the officials had missed a forward pass or an offside that'd cost us, alright fair enough, or an incident like Phillips' try against Ireland in the Grand Slam? Easy to miss, these things happen in the speed of rugby. The ref can't see everything and some of them go your way and some of them don't, by and large it balances out. But to have an official make a conscious decision like that against you? Fuming. I'm off to the pub. God help anyone that mentions rugby. Que serious nerd-rage. The Dutch have not nominated Kevin Blom for Euro 2012 after his piss poor performance in the Scotland v Czech Rep game. The Irish should do likewise and send Rolland back to regional or provincial rugby. If anyone bottled it then look no further.
The Doctor Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Just watched it back and Wales were somewhat hard done by with the red card. I'm not going to say France don't deserve to be in the final but Wales really should be there instead, credit to their performance, to get to within a couple of yards of reaching the final after playing with a man less for the majority of the match is impressive.
The Doctor Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Disgraceful challenge, life ban, minimum. :laugh: You'll be needing this in a minute:
Head Honcho Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Disgraceful challenge, life ban, minimum. Are you watching Norman Whteside's greatest tackles video?
Salieri Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 I'm sure Finners is sharpening his knife as we speak..... Or maybe he's too busy enjoying a :
The Doctor Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Nah, finners is a classy bloke - he'll be enjoying some of this:
Salieri Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Nah, finners is a classy bloke - he'll be enjoying some of this:
Sparky Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Definate yellow for me but not a red in a million years. Could watch another 100 of those tackles in matches and not see a red card for it.
FoxyPV Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Leigh Halfpenny fell tragically short from the half way line and Stephen Jones hit the post from the touch line, somewhere he's struggled to convert from his entire career - he just isn't a Parra, Carter or Wilkinson. It was a monster performance, all things considered. A few more handling errors than in previous games, sure, but in harder conditions than we've had to put up with so far in the tournament as well given we've been one of the luckier sides with the barmy New Zealand weather. As for the dismissal itself, I'm furious enough as it is so anyone trying to get a reaction may as well not bother - you can't piss me off anymore than I am already. So anyone that sincerely wants to claim that was a red card offence is just going to make themselves look a complete and total weapon. He lost control of Clerc, it was somewhat dangerous, it was a penalty and he should have been sin-binned. But you rarely get a red card in rugby because of the enormous disparity it creates, a ref only ever acts with the red when there's malicious intent, the letter of the law is intentionally open to interpretation and Rolland has had a complete shocker. And if you think it's just Taffies having a moan, ask Francois Pienaar what he thought about it, or Ben Foden, Rory Lawson, Mark Cueto, the list goes on. If the officials had missed a forward pass or an offside that'd cost us, alright fair enough, or an incident like Phillips' try against Ireland in the Grand Slam? Easy to miss, these things happen in the speed of rugby. The ref can't see everything and some of them go your way and some of them don't, by and large it balances out. But to have an official make a conscious decision like that against you? Fuming. Your kicking cost you. Not for the first time either. The more I see it, the more I think it was a dangerous tackle for tow reasons:Warburton didn't have control of the man he was tackling and that he was also above Warburton's head at one point. The RTE panelists were mainly in agreement that it was a dangerous tackle and that was the reason he was sent off. Harsh, yes but apparently in accordance with the letter of the law. Malicious - no. Adrenalin fuelled stupidity - yes. I still think it was a tad harsh but given that we see numerous replays and the referee only gets one viewing of it, he has to go on his gut instinct. EDIT - have a half shandy on me
accessory Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Bottled it? Really? Seriously? Do you actually follow the sport or are you just on the wind up? Do you have any idea how much of a massive task it is to play an hour of high-end, international rugby with a player less? And to still come within a point? At what point did any Welsh player "bottle" it? Leigh Halfpenny fell tragically short from the half way line and Stephen Jones hit the post from the touch line, somewhere he's struggled to convert from his entire career - he just isn't a Parra, Carter or Wilkinson. It was a monster performance, all things considered. A few more handling errors than in previous games, sure, but in harder conditions than we've had to put up with so far in the tournament as well given we've been one of the luckier sides with the barmy New Zealand weather. As for the dismissal itself, I'm furious enough as it is so anyone trying to get a reaction may as well not bother - you can't piss me off anymore than I am already. So anyone that sincerely wants to claim that was a red card offence is just going to make themselves look a complete and total weapon. He lost control of Clerc, it was somewhat dangerous, it was a penalty and he should have been sin-binned. But you rarely get a red card in rugby because of the enormous disparity it creates, a ref only ever acts with the red when there's malicious intent, the letter of the law is intentionally open to interpretation and Rolland has had a complete shocker. And if you think it's just Taffies having a moan, ask Francois Pienaar what he thought about it, or Ben Foden, Rory Lawson, Mark Cueto, the list goes on. If the officials had missed a forward pass or an offside that'd cost us, alright fair enough, or an incident like Phillips' try against Ireland in the Grand Slam? Easy to miss, these things happen in the speed of rugby. The ref can't see everything and some of them go your way and some of them don't, by and large it balances out. But to have an official make a conscious decision like that against you? Fuming. I'm off to the pub. God help anyone that mentions rugby. Que serious nerd-rage.
Salieri Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Your kicking cost you. Not for the first time either. The more I see it, the more I think it was a dangerous tackle for tow reasons:Warburton didn't have control of the man he was tackling and that he was also above Warburton's head at one point. The RTE panelists were mainly in agreement that it was a dangerous tackle and that was the reason he was sent off. Harsh, yes but apparently in accordance with the letter of the law. Malicious - no. Adrenalin fuelled stupidity - yes. I still think it was a tad harsh but given that we see numerous replays and the referee only gets one viewing of it, he has to go on his gut instinct. EDIT - have a half shandy on me On a more serious note, this, absolutely.
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