Guest Col city fan Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 I saw David Nugent in Gala Casino last night in town, I was speaking to him about the standard of championship referees and he agreed they were shocking. He says its so easy to pull the wool over there eyes, he even admitted going down a few times because he knew that he was going to get the free kick. He thought that Vassell should of been sent off but when I asked him if Wellens faked it abit he smiled and said no comment I guess this sums up my OP really... you MAY expect an inexperienced Sunday morning ref to be conned by lads falling over when they shouldnt.... but a CHAMPIONSHIP ref to simply blow his whistle whenever a player fell on their arse is completely ridiculous. The shitty FA need to look at Deadman and at the whole notion of 'common sense' in football refereeing. Colina remains the role model for me... let the game flow and pulled players up and gave them a bollocking when he knew they were cheating. The twat yesterday and Colina are such polar opposites its unreal...
liamsm Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Not really, why dont you try and become a ref and see how difficult a job it is? Far easier to criticise than do it yourself... is that a quote from experienve?
Tomassi Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 is that a quote from experienve? Nope, I used to be the worst you could find from criticising referees... took me a while to realise they are actually as human as we are Yeah its a known fact some referrees are better than others, just like in any profession... but remember all refs are learning from each game... To call them because they are ''professional'' is inconsistent in itself... how many own goals did Frank Sinclair score? Yet we all supported him! Just think people need to stop being so emotionally charged and see where the refs coming from...
Bert Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Finally, a bit of common sense. Most leicester fans think officials have something against leicester hence the thread I think the whole 6,000 fans reaction said it all when he gave us our first free-kick yesterday, probably the 2nd loudest cheer of the day. He was bad for both sides, but much more so for us than them. Referees wouldn't get half the stick they do of they were consistent. Joe Murphy kicked the ball into the stands, Gally threw the ball over his head a few yards. He couldn't wait to sprint over to him to get his card out and hold it aloft for at least 8 seconds.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Can somebody change the thread name to Yesterday's Ref please? I get easily confused.
rico Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Who goes into the career path of a referee with the name 'Deadman'? Shouldn't he more apt to bomb disposal or something? Bet he doesn't wear plaid
sphericalfox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzJkTatWiQ I didn't realise Vassell was so big. And what's with aul Billy 'no money' Davies doing on the Green Mile?
Nick Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzJkTatWiQ I didn't realise Vassell was so big. And what's with aul Billy 'no money' Davies doing on the Green Mile? Did you text into the BBC before the game yesterday upset about driving round France again ?
sphericalfox Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Did you text into the BBC before the game yesterday upset about driving round France again ? I've never text or rang into the BBC, unless someone is pretending to be me. God help them, it's slippery slope into nonchalantism and apathy.
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Nope, I used to be the worst you could find from criticising referees... took me a while to realise they are actually as human as we are Yeah its a known fact some referrees are better than others, just like in any profession... but remember all refs are learning from each game... To call them because they are ''professional'' is inconsistent in itself... how many own goals did Frank Sinclair score? Yet we all supported him! Just think people need to stop being so emotionally charged and see where the refs coming from... This really is tish and pish (and even piffle).... As an ex ref myself ( gave up last year) I am aware of the rigours of reffing the modern day game.. Therefore I'm not knocking refs per se... However there is the 'letter of the law' and then there is the person who implements it.. The best refs use calm, patience, assertion, common sense... The worst ones blow up every time a player touches another and, in the case of that complete buffoon yesterday, ruin the game as a flowing match and as a spectator sport.. Hear what I'm saying and stop your single-minded argument that I am attempting to knock all refs. Did you not see my last post where I praised colina?
Tomassi Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Its not a single minded argument, its an opinion thats different to yours. I hear you, and still disagree with the flack that this ref has taken... Yeah i saw about Collina, he was a ref at the top of his game hence he got world cups... this ref we had yesterday is currently a championship level ref, so you cant really compare. Im not in no way saying the ref was 100% accurate which I havent actually said, but I think fans need to realise firstly they are human, secondly they have to go by the book with what they see and judge on that, and thirdly evaluate each situation. He would have tried to do that to the best of his ability. After all, thats what he is paid to do. Calling him all names under the sun doesn't really help his learning process to become a better ref does it?
Guest Col city fan Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Its not a single minded argument, its an opinion thats different to yours. I hear you, and still disagree with the flack that this ref has taken... Yeah i saw about Collina, he was a ref at the top of his game hence he got world cups... this ref we had yesterday is currently a championship level ref, so you cant really compare. Im not in no way saying the ref was 100% accurate which I havent actually said, but I think fans need to realise firstly they are human, secondly they have to go by the book with what they see and judge on that, and thirdly evaluate each situation. He would have tried to do that to the best of his ability. After all, thats what he is paid to do. Calling him all names under the sun doesn't really help his learning process to become a better ref does it? The best of his ability was miles away from being good enough.... Very very poor referee and, by the sounds of it, always has been... Get rid of the twat now before he fooks up any more games
DB11 Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 That's no excuse now these guys have gone pro and get paid a regular salary for honing there skills. You wouldn't say that if a player regular kept giving the ball away to the opposition in dangerous areas, or on a day to day basis your mechanic missed an important fault on your car. These skills aren't easy, they take time and dedication to perfect, but once you label yourself as a professional in that trade you need to make sure you deliver on a consistent basis otherwise your reputation goes out of the window. If referee's like Deadman are going to apply the rules of the game by the book they need to make sure every decision is consistent, something which did not happen yesterday. Why do you think everyone spoke so highly of Collina? It was because he conducted himself in the right way, was extremely consistent, and most importantly applied common sense. Just thought I'd mention that there are only 16 referees who have gone professional and get a regular salary; the Premier League referees. Football League referees have to make do with a couple of hundred for each game, which isn't enough to live off, so they have a proper 9-5 job during the week (admittedly more flexible due to evening games and other football commitments etc. but nonetheless they are not professional)
acooling08 Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 How much do referees get paid in the Championship?
Jaspa Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Just thought I'd mention that there are only 16 referees who have gone professional and get a regular salary; the Premier League referees. Football League referees have to make do with a couple of hundred for each game, which isn't enough to live off, so they have a proper 9-5 job during the week (admittedly more flexible due to evening games and other football commitments etc. but nonetheless they are not professional) There some shady f***ers, like to be the men in black. Have names like 'Lee Mason' and 'Deadman'. Mostly ex or current policemen aswell, twisted individuals. Ex-players should be refs, End of.
DB11 Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 There some shady f***ers, like to be the men in black. Have names like 'Lee Mason' and 'Deadman'. Mostly ex or current policemen aswell, twisted individuals. Ex-players should be refs, End of. Because when a player finishes his career, he doesn't want to go into the media, or coaching, or management. He wants to become a referee.
Jaspa Posted 7 August 2011 Posted 7 August 2011 Because when a player finishes his career, he doesn't want to go into the media, or coaching, or management. He wants to become a referee. Yeah, to carry on being out on the pitch with the lads. Some players would make great refs Zidane for example
Darkon84 Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Absoluely bloody disgraceful display of 'refereeing'. On the up side, it was quality when Bamba had a right strop at him, and the dugout side linesman......well, from where i was sitting, and with his haircut, it looked good to see Darren Anderton has found himself a job these days
Bert Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 What else I will say is if a ref has a good game, they don't get enough praise, which is sad. Back to Deadman. I can't see how people could defend his performance? This is something he dies week in, week out. He got both red cards right, but boy was he quick to get them out. Didn't even take half a minute to think about it, or even talk to any of the players involved. Continued poor decisions which left the majority of the away end singing that he wasn't fit to referee. It wasn't just him that was bad, Franz Ferdinand running the line was on par with him. One blatant offside decision where the cov player stopped, even though the flag hadn't been raised, and the incident where the ball went out for a throw. He was 5 yards away and couldn't see it, yet 6,000 Leicester fans did. There's no excuses for that. We need to get used to the fact we're gonna have majority shit refs this season.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 We need to get used to the fact we're gonna have majority shit refs this season. I know what you mean Bert and of course we cannot control the periodically ridiculous rules that FIFA and the FA impose upon football. We also can't control the dross that comes through as referees - my son has recently completed his first reffing course in Leicester and tells me that they have gotten rid of 'rule 18' which effectively means that refs cannot operate with 'common-sense', instead they must stick to the 'letter of the law' at all times. This effectively makes them 'footballing police' and thus automatons Thank God that my son has said 'fook that' I'm gonna let the game flow as much as I can...this won't do much for his reffing career, but will make him a better referee IMO. Therefore, your assertion is correct.... sad though aint it - I genuinely believe that, over time, the way refs are being forced to referee with almost ruin our beautiful game by reducing it to a no-contact sport
DB11 Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 Yeah, to carry on being out on the pitch with the lads. Some players would make great refs Zidane for example But does he want to? We need to get used to the fact we're gonna have majority shit refs this season. I know what you mean Bert and of course we cannot control the periodically ridiculous rules that FIFA and the FA impose upon football. We also can't control the dross that comes through as referees - my son has recently completed his first reffing course in Leicester and tells me that they have gotten rid of 'rule 18' which effectively means that refs cannot operate with 'common-sense', instead they must stick to the 'letter of the law' at all times. This effectively makes them 'footballing police' and thus automatons Thank God that my son has said 'fook that' I'm gonna let the game flow as much as I can...this won't do much for his reffing career, but will make him a better referee IMO. Therefore, your assertion is correct.... sad though aint it - I genuinely believe that, over time, the way refs are being forced to referee with almost ruin our beautiful game by reducing it to a no-contact sport There's never been a law 18 in law, it's an unwritten rule of common sense that referees follow. Of course it's not been removed you just don't forget about it people talk about it and tell you to use it. If you're on the line, with no spectators behind you, and no TV cameras, and a player is offside by a few inches and there's no appeal do you think I flag for offside? I'll let you decide. "No surprises"
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2011 Posted 8 August 2011 But does he want to? There's never been a law 18 in law, it's an unwritten rule of common sense that referees follow. Of course it's not been removed you just don't forget about it people talk about it and tell you to use it. If you're on the line, with no spectators behind you, and no TV cameras, and a player is offside by a few inches and there's no appeal do you think I flag for offside? I'll let you decide. "No surprises" Ahhh..my lad is 16, lovely kid but gets a bit confused some times... what he was saying was that there is no rule 18... ie. he was told NOT to ref with common sense... but to stick to the laws of the game complicitly.... not to bend the rule book at all
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