Thracian Posted 14 August 2011 Author Posted 14 August 2011 It was not me who wrote that account it was Matt Mills I was simply just pasting his tweet in here No problem. My comment still serves to answer his point.
FoxesFan123 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Some very good points. Despite all the talk last season of pacey, mobile full backs, the signings of Konch and Pantsil do not indicate that's what we are now after. Mills has so far looked poor in every game for us. For him to also waltz in and be given the captains armband also seems a very, very strange decision Playing with 2 defensive midfielders, Fernandes and Abe. Baffles me! Having Wellens present also, who isn't really an attacking mid, very negative tactics I believe. Of course were not gonna score there's no creativity there! Dans out wide? Come on, square peg round hole. Ok, if were going to play 433, Gally and Dyer are the must suitable players for the wing yet neither get to start. I just think there's some strange selections from Sven, as we had last season, especially towards the end of the season when we started messing up.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I would like to reply to the entirity of this thread in song...
Babylon Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Stopped reading after this line, most idiotic comparison and statistic ever when we're only two league games in. We're talking about Thracian, idiotic early overreactions are his forte.
Babylon Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I don't know. I didn't watch that game or read about it. That's not stopped you commenting on Leicester games and moaning at players and managers in the past.
morris1234 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 i couldnt decide if the title 'when will we ever learn' was about citys performance yesterday or reading thracians post!
Sloanfox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Oh dear oh dear! There's always one isn't there that is about to slit there wrists after a defeat. You were perhaps one of those that looked at the season with very starry eye's 5-0 drummings given out each week to our opposition, playing like Barcelona and winning the league come the end of October haha!! I bet you are one of those people that wait by the phone at the final whistle to give BBC Radio Leicester you views on the game and preach to the whole of Leicestershire how we should be playing football etc etc. Please do yourself a favour (before you have a heart attack at the next defat, because we will lose again this season..it's real football..not playstation FIFA) and relax and just do what alot of the other posts have suggested...have patience.
vanfox12 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 People also seem to forget that Reading reached the plays off final last season plus they beat us home and away and are regulars in the top half of the table. What Reading have is a team of good honest players with a good manager. Leicester may have a better team on paper but if you can't get them to play as a team instead of 11 individuals you will always be screwed. Having said that can we at least stop slagging off Matt Mills and give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Why do we always critiscise Leicester born players the most if they don't produce the goods?
Babylon Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 How come you usually just come up with your elaborate posts when we've lost, Thrac? Because if he came up with them after we spanked someone he'd look even more of a Rodney. He used to moan all the time, now he's just turned into an attention seeking WUM who only posts after something bad happens.
marbelladave Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Thracian nails it for me. It's an attitude, a state of mind, the will to impress and to be impressive. Not sure Sven is up for that. Gally and King on the bench say it all for me. First home game of the season and one up front (Schlupp playing as part of a diamond midfield and a little out of his depth for now). Very disappointing and not entirely sure where the cavalry are coming from. If we don't set up to blast Brizzle from the off, given their start and defensive capabilities (or lack of them), then that will be a depressing marker for a long, hard season. Things could get better (I really hope they do), but I did say at the start of the season that we could produce very little for a lot of outlay with Sven at the helm and the type of player he has brought in. If we're not in the top six by the end of ten games, I think the Thais will get rid. Then goodness only knows..... I'm glad that at least someone 'gets it'. Some good points and I understand your frustration Thracian but as numerous posters have pointed out - it's only been two games and I've a further point to add - this is the most unpredictable league I've ever seen, so whilst being beaten by a good Reading team is disappointing, it's not the tragedy you're making it out to be. Chin up, big man, it'll be alright by the end of the season. It has not 'only been two games', it has been two fooking seasons, for christ sake. Cautious, defensive setups, no pace, no width no real attacking intent against the better teams and now we have spent £10m + and nothing has changed! If that is not cause for concern, then I don't know what is..... Fine post there Thracian although it has made me a little more depressed than I already was It is a depressing time, primarily because I don't see any attempt to improve.... Oh dear oh dear! There's always one isn't there that is about to slit there wrists after a defeat. You were perhaps one of those that looked at the season with very starry eye's 5-0 drummings given out each week to our opposition, playing like Barcelona and winning the league come the end of October haha!! I bet you are one of those people that wait by the phone at the final whistle to give BBC Radio Leicester you views on the game and preach to the whole of Leicestershire how we should be playing football etc etc. Please do yourself a favour (before you have a heart attack at the next defat, because we will lose again this season..it's real football..not playstation FIFA) and relax and just do what alot of the other posts have suggested...have patience. You really don't have a clue do you, Thracian is not remotely starry eyed and the playstation quip shows just how little you know. We have been underperfoming in certain areas for years, pointing out that despite spending £10m + nothing has even begun to change is absolutely spot on.
MC Prussian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 How come you usually just come up with your elaborate posts when we've lost, Thrac? As others have already stated before me, we've just played our second game in the league. Yes, I was as disappointed as many other City fans to see us on the losing side. Sven has it in his hands to change things around for the good and the players will have something to prove to themselves and the audience. What was Kenny Jackett saying on the FL show after Millwall beat F"*çst? "Give the team 12 games and then we can really assess where we're at". Talking about knee-jerk reactions, Tony.
Thracian Posted 14 August 2011 Author Posted 14 August 2011 You should do some checking up. I recognise and praise good performances with relish. I just don't choose to gloss over the bad ones, especially when there are serious fundamentals missing. Unusually, I've just tried to pick a preferred team for the Bristol game. It's a nightmare. There really isn't a team i'd be happy to say had natural balance and all the basics that should be there. It's clear that plenty of other people recognise it too, the ones who usually try to view the games objectively, the ones who want us to play some proper football and the ones who try to analyse the game instead of expressing blind faith whatever.
MC Prussian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I see you forget all last season's potential building too. But why should I wait longer to express my disappointment? Or are you expecting the players' abilities to change overnight? I'm not saying we can't grind out any wins I'm saying that I cannot see an 'appeth of flair or excitement's been added to our team. In fact, with people like King, Gallagher and even Dyer reduced to bit parts there seems to be less potential than before. For some reason people have screamed out for Abe and Wellens and, time and again, I've said they don't score enough or make enough runs into supporting areas yet how many goals did King and Gallagher account for last season? Lots. Plus a good few assists. With no-one else making runs into the box or in suport we're just running out of ideas before we even get to our opponents penalty box. How many shots on target in the Reading and Coventry games? And you say it's just two games. It's two games and we're already four points off the pace - three plus the goal difference! A familiar story and one I'd rather not have repeated. I've ben talking to one of my son's today. He's a Southampton fan. They've just sold what he describes as a fairly average player for £12m and bought a dangerous Belgian winger for £2m to doubtless boost their already considerable goals potential. That's the kind of management I like. We've gone for quanitity not quality from all I can see. Yes, there will be exceptions. Schmeichel and Fernandes may prove decent buys and perhaps one or two more. But that's nowhere near good enough to get us promoted given the players who've been so far displaced. And, ironically, we seem to be displacing postive players and leaving more negative ones in situ! If you understand it, fine. But I don't. We've got ten, eleven and maybe soon even twelve new players. Anyone who's as deluded like you expecting miracles from this side straightaway can only be find himself doubting everything and everyone. When's the last time we've sold a player for £12m? Exactly, that has never been the case. Southampton also have the knack for winning games based on their tremendous fighting spirit that got them out of League One. The vast majority of the Saints' squad is the same like last season's! Talking about comparing apples and prunes again! If you want to make a fair comparison, use our side from two seasons ago (under Pearson). Then again, Thracian and fair comparison just don't mix. All we get from you lately are rambles that are soaking wet with pessimism and black colour.
B52 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 So after considerable commitment last season and £14m spent on a new team this season Sven has a team that stands 15th in the table, is below the likes of Hull City and Derby, has not a chance of finishing in the top two league places and is about as entertaining as a rabbit sitting in the middle of a field. ........... We have so much money but we're philosophically ruled, not by the well-meaning Thai owners, but by fear. Instead of being a team to be afraid of we've assembled a team to be so easily mocked. We may huff and puff but we're just paper puppets filled with the wind of publicity just blowing about in random directions with no patttern, cohesion or sense of purpose. ....... Personally I am disappointed. I had hoped we would hit the ground running. Maybe Reading was the worst team too meet in the first home game because of Mills. Readings players probably had a really strong will to win. So the team has gelled properly when Paintsil and Fernandes is brand new players and Schlupp had a go because he had an hattrick against a lower league team. I think this match showed we have to have options up front. Gally is a midfielder, Waggy huffs and puffs, Dyer and Vassell has speed and some skills, Schlupp too inexperienced(may change quickly, I know), Howard too slow and Nugent too alone without Vassell........ Get Maynard and we play more like you want. Funny though is that we probably woukd have won if Nugent had scored... Against Coventry we played very cautious and we adapted nearly the same attitude in this game when both Yuki and Fernades played. Mills has clearly got nerves when he get the price tag he got. It can take a few games for him to relax so lets give him time and support and I give you permission to write him off if he is this nervous around christmas too..... 14 mill.... Why is that important. We had a thin squad and had to get players. Players cost so why bother about 14 mill. Other teams has had years to assemble a team. We had a very unbalanced team where Wellens was top dog and too much of hot and cold to be the midfield giant we need. I hope Fernandes will be that.
MC Prussian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 You should do some checking up. I recognise and praise good performances with relish. I just don't choose to gloss over the bad ones, especially when there are serious fundamentals missing. Unusually, I've just tried to pick a preferred team for the Bristol game. It's a nightmare. There really isn't a team i'd be happy to say had natural balance and all the basics that should be there. It's clear that plenty of other people recognise it too, the ones who usually try to view the games objectively, the ones who want us to play some proper football and the ones who try to analyse the game instead of expressing blind faith whatever. Right Tony, everyone except Thracian's Squad of Doom are not proper football fans or are not fit to criticise the team's efforts... Talking about personal illusions of grandeur, eh? Where do you get that "blind faith" from? Any other cheap allegories lying around in your basement by any chance? And where does it state that we spent £14m on new players? You do forget that the new owners also invested heavily in infrastructure, do you? How convenient to let that slip underneath your radar.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 So after considerable commitment last season and £14m spent on a new team this season Sven has a team that stands 15th in the table, is below the likes of Hull City and Derby, has not a chance of finishing in the top two league places and is about as entertaining as a rabbit sitting in the middle of a field. Our crowd yesterday, a few faces short of 24,000 said it all. The signings might have cost a packet but the crowd hardly reflected a sense of excitement. One day the penny will finally drop for Leicester City and they will commit themselves to the kind of football which has launched Southampton to the top of the table. Football that is based on adventure, on scoring goals and on winning games with style and energy. We might have signed enough players to form the basis of an online petition but even now we don't have a cause...we don't represent anything in the way we play. In supposedly strengthening our defence we seem to have slaughtered our ability to attack...and not for the first time in recent seasons. We have so much money but we're philosophically ruled, not by the well-meaning Thai owners, but by fear. Instead of being a team to be afraid of we've assembled a team to be so easily mocked. We may huff and puff but we're just paper puppets filled with the wind of publicity just blowing about in random directions with no patttern, cohesion or sense of purpose. Matt Mills captain? He may be a rock but he'd never get anywhere near a team of mine and what a joke it was to see his laboured excuse for football while the cultured, constructive Tunchev was helping Palace win 2-0 against a Burnley team we hardly ever do well against. "Can we keep him," is the Palace fans' plea and with the unseeing lunacy apparent in Leicester's camp right now I'm not sure I'd want to hear the answer. Why are we incapable of assembling a team which compliments each other towards one aim only - winning with style. To do that is abundantly simple. You attack as a team and defend as a team. But three of our four back line defenders show no signs of being able to attack constructively so, straight away, you've got a major weakness and one that would, in economic terms, contibute to a significant lack of income i.e. goals. In football, income equals goals for and expenditure equals goals against and we are just like Britain under Labour, we spend too much and amass too little. Mills might be an anchor but he's a fixed anchor and that's no good when the ship wants to leave port. Given fair winds we might send swift-sailing full-backs out in his stead but Pantsil and Konchesky are no Fairlines. They're the attacking equivalent of tramp steamers, they just have no natural aptitude...so there'll be not many goals created, much less scored, from there. And in the centre of our fleet - do we have a pair of glamorous cruise liners oozing class and the promise of excellence beyond expectations? No we have Abe and Wellens, the footballing equalivalent of rubber dinghies with Abe rowing round in circles, passing the ball aimlessly and Wellens having a small outboard motor which occasionally enables him to chug into sight of land but rarely sees him shoot between the harbour walls. On the wings you'd think we'd have speedboats, scary unpredictable boats with a frightening turn of pace and the ability to blaze a trail through every storm. But in fact what we have are mirages, boats that don't belong and effectively aren't actually there in any meaningful sense. Up front we have the pocket battleships of Nugent and Schlupp - except that Schlupp was shrouded in mirage mist and placed out wide (how did we manage to make him look so bad?) and Nugent ws left wallowing in the waves without the armed supply ships of King, Gallagher and Dyer. Yesterday our reportedly impressive Armada was routed as emphatically as the Spanish when they fell foul of Drake, beaten by the greater organisation and more purposeful manoueverability of a Reading team that operated as one well-motivated unit which had each "boat" suited to purpose. We need to do the same. First we need a leader and Schmiechel looks the only one who stands out for that role, unless we get Tunchev back. Second we need to have a mobile defence that can quickly and accurately turn defence into attack. Then, for the umpteenth time, we need fast passing, goals-capable players in central midfield who have the energy to see gaps in defences to go through them. Out wide we need, tricky, challenging people who can help make those gaps for the central midfielders and up front we need a big man and a smaller man with such a ruthless desire to shoot and to score that they just cannot be left alone for one minute. As a whole this complete unit needs to be capable of getting four or five men into the box when we are attacking and of being sufficiently astute to constrain the opposition when they have the ball so that our team can recover. In other words, like Tunchev, they need to be able to read the game and think ahead. I've spelled all this out because no-one seems to realise it at Leicester any more than they realise the folly of not varying and practising set-pieces, of lobbing hopeful crosses across the box to short-arses, of having defenders who can't pass and support, midfielders who take too many touches and don't make things happen and playing people out of position. Our owners talk about achieving excellence in everything - and I believe they mean it. But just as they can't get our sodding season tickets into our hands in time for the season's opening and would have us stand for ages in the ticket office queues, they are failing miserably on the field for all their spending. Nor is it just about replacing this player with that. It doesn't work so simply and nor does the longtime Leicester habit of trying to fit square pegs in round holes (it's never worked so why keep trying?). What it requires is a philosophy and the conviction to put that philosophy into action. But we have no philosophy. We just seem to buy what's available. The bigger the name the better. But we don't buy what we need and we play with the brakes on in any case. From the ticket situation onwards, yesterday was a shambles from start to finish - a day when the whole club should hang it's head in shame. I was shell-shocked when I left the ground and feel a damned site worse this morning. There will be strong words said and we'll doubtless play better against Bristol. But that won't solve our problems which were there to see as plainly in the win at Coventry as in the defeat against Reading. Our team needs atitude - and by that I mean a willingness and ability to work as one cohesive unit towards our end. And our end should be focused first of all on scoring goals. "Nil" is a shameful return - home or away - for a group of people who should spend their working week trying to score them. It is a condemnation plain and simple.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 On the face of it, this may have looked a good post, but sorry, Thracian, to me it smacks of "I told you so", self opinionated clap- trap. I really do respect you as a poster, and most of the time I tend to agree with you. There truly is nothing in this post to suggest any objectivity, and really says nothing that we don't already know. However, you appear to base the future on one game, which quite frankly is almost laughable. Sorry, but rather poor, and even puerile posting this time round.
MC Prussian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Fickle? I've had 54 seasons supporting City and we didn't get what success we've had in that time by playing like we did against Reading and Coventry. But then we didn't change the whole sodding side every season either. I wonder how you managed to survive the past 54 campaigns - surely we've had worse starts to a season after two games. Or didn't we? And surely there have been massive overhauls of players in the squad in the past, right? Or maybe you simply indulge yourself in being the Biggest Moaner Of Them All. Could that be the reason? Feeding your online persona with all the rhetorical drivel? Enjoying yourself today?
cc_star Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I see you forget all last season's potential building too. But why should I wait longer to express my disappointment? Or are you expecting the players' abilities to change overnight? I'm not saying we can't grind out any wins I'm saying that I cannot see an 'appeth of flair or excitement's been added to our team. In fact, with people like King, Gallagher and even Dyer reduced to bit parts there seems to be less potential than before. I said after Sven's clutch of loan signings that we should have started the rebuilding last season, but everyone seemed happy with a load of loan players even though it meant a whole new team at the time & then a whole new team again this summer. signing a few last year and cementing with a few key additions in the summer, not only looks wise in hindsight, but a few said it at the time, but were shouted down as being anti-sven for some reason. Also, that's a relevant point, Dyer offers something no one else does and therefore is a must for the bench IMO, his introduction to the play is one of the few ways we can change how we play. King & Gally are two of our most naturally talented players, not seeing them in the startying line-up especially when their 'replacements' are so unblanced & so far ineffective is sad
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Interesting - most of the posters crying out 'it's only two games' seem to be the type who would have been pleasuring themselves and claiming greatness for this team had we won yesterday.
foxaholic Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Some very good points. Despite all the talk last season of pacey, mobile full backs, the signings of Konch and Pantsil do not indicate that's what we are now after. Mills has so far looked poor in every game for us. For him to also waltz in and be given the captains armband also seems a very, very strange decision Playing with 2 defensive midfielders, Fernandes and Abe. Baffles me! Having Wellens present also, who isn't really an attacking mid, very negative tactics I believe. Of course were not gonna score there's no creativity there! Dans out wide? Come on, square peg round hole. Ok, if were going to play 433, Gally and Dyer are the must suitable players for the wing yet neither get to start. I just think there's some strange selections from Sven, as we had last season, especially towards the end of the season when we started messing up.
MC Prussian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Interesting - most of the posters crying out 'it's only two games' seem to be the type who would have been pleasuring themselves and claiming greatness for this team had we won yesterday. In which case none of us would've had to face pointless drivel by Mr. Self-Appointed Anger himself.
Daggers Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 In which case none of us would've had to face pointless drivel by Mr. Self-Appointed Anger himself. But Tony posts a thread like this at the start of every season, the only difference this year being that he had the grace to wait until after a defeat that he actually witnessed.
B52 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Interesting - most of the posters crying out 'it's only two games' seem to be the type who would have been pleasuring themselves and claiming greatness for this team had we won yesterday. I, for one, disagree. This is a very competative league so I would be very glad for every victory. But the top ten in this league can all win automatic. The posters who are deluded are those thinking we should get automatic because we have invested sooooooo much. Thoose posters are not willing to let the team gel and are probably anti-Sven from his english manager days and bought every little shit pressed in the crappy newspapers. Aaaaaarrrgghhh, Sven doesn't shout at the players. What the f**k. The players aren't capable of thinking by themselves, shout Sven, get into the technical box, the other managers does that........ This is a tough league so I'm glad for every point we get but I don't take anything for granted. We can win against everyone but also lose against everyone...
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