When England was great !

[broughtonblue]

Comics, Roy of the rovers. Whizzer and chips, Topper

[rico]

Comics, Roy of the rovers. Whizzer and chips

2000 AD

[purpleronnie]

Bullshit !

LMK guess your 10 years old?

The 80's were pretty damn violent,, oh and btw there were riots then too.

[Webbo]

Comics, Roy of the rovers. Whizzer and chips

Shiver and Shake, Whoopee, The Beano, Dandy and the Beezer.

[Charl91]

28 of us used to live in a tiny little house with great big holes in the roof and our dad used to thrash us to sleep wi' 'is belt

Luxury.

I used to 'ave to lick road clean wi' tongue.

[Zingari]

Comics, Roy of the rovers. Whizzer and chips

And Bunty

[AoWW]

It won't account for all the increase, but something I always bare in mind when looking at crime figures is this (I've just nicked it from the link because I'm too lazy to put it in my own words:

in 1997 56% of crimes were not reported to the police. In earlier years, this figure was probably higher and accounts for some of the increase

For instance, I'm sure I saw something which showed a positive correlation between police numbers and crime (known to police), but that was because there was more police to report to and a greater feeling that they could do something about it, and not because police cause more crimes to be committed (although someone made that connection). Or something like that. I was looking in passing. The British Crime Survey is meant to give a more accurate indication of crime figures rather than the numbers reported to the police. I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, more just musing. As we've established, I have a statistics problem.

More importantly though, the 1980s were still shit.

You're such a stats-geek. I'm sure you and Lookydo could spend hours pontificating on 'em as you gaze at your spreadsheets with lustful expressions. .

[broughtonblue]

Shiver and Shake, Whoopee, The Beano, Dandy and the Beezer.

Whoopee! Was trying to think of that one, don't recall shiver and shake at all?

[Zingari]

You're such a stats-geek. I'm sure you and Lookydo could spend hours pontificating on 'em as you gaze at your spreadsheets with lustful expressions. .

drooling over graphic images ?

[purpleronnie]

check out the graph on page VI of this , it shows quite clearly how indictable offences have risen in the UK and sorry but i'm going to assume that indictable offences include violent crime

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf

Notice how fairly level it is until around the40' and 50's and then something dramatic from the 60's on ?

edit ;

sorry , but you are indeed correct that the times that people are harking back to are indeed as you say just as bad , my apologies

the point i was trying to make is the general trend since before those time

Its ok, people always seem to think current times are worse than the past I'm sure in 30 years people will look back to today and think how great they were, its just the way it is.

I just wish people would talk about all the great things this country has rather than focusing on the negative all the time.

[Zingari]

Its ok, people always seem to think current times are worse than the past I'm sure in 30 years people will look back to today and think how great they were, its just the way it is.

I just wish people would talk about all the great things this country has rather than focusing on the negative all the time.

probably a good philosophy , but as you get older it's pretty inevitable that we grow into grumpy old gits and gitesses

[AoWW]

probably a good philosophy , but as you get older it's pretty inevitable that we grow into grumpy old gits and gitesses

I'll have you know, I'm far too young to even set foot in this thread.

[Walkers Wench]

If you were raised on Rainbow & Blue Peter, and you played in the woods, fell out of trees and went home filthy and got a thick ear, had 4 TV channels..... & school started with the Lords prayer,jackets for goalposts,home by seven in go-karts made with pram wheels, recorded the top 40 from the radio on a tape, drank from the tap, went to the corner shop for a 2p mix up & maybe 5 Parkies...... and you still turned out ok, ....Remember.... WHEN ENGLAND WAS GREAT !!

Memories eh,,i used to record the top 40 as you recall on a sunday night,,you would have to be quick in between the songs so you didn't get the d.j speaking!

I remember going 'tiddling' with a jam jar with a string handle and a net,,swinging across the brook on a rope-swing tied to a tree,,we rarely had pop from a shop,,because the Jones pop man came round in a van and delivered to your house. If we were lucky enough to have a pop bottle that could be returned,,we took it back to the shop and got the money,,and bought Spangles,,anyone remember them?

[Webbo]

Whoopee! Was trying to think of that one, don't recall shiver and shake at all?

It only lasted just over a year when it merged with the whoopee. Also any remember Buster?

[purpleronnie]

probably a good philosophy , but as you get older it's pretty inevitable that we grow into grumpy old gits and gitesses

Yeah I guess, of course I'm sure there are certain crimes that have risen through the decades but that could be dependant on various factors. Plus theres people who are victims of crime will have a negative slant on the way they see the current climate and of course the recent riots will make people believe the country is in a mess but these things have unfortunately happend before.

Its terrible of course and hopefully things will get better, but its not all doom and gloom I still think we are lucky to live in such a beautiful country.

[Alexikokopops]

thanks i'd just edited that i was looking at the longer time period and realise that in the relatively shorter period that we are talking about things weren't any better ( statistically anyway )

You're such a stats-geek. I'm sure you and Lookydo could spend hours pontificating on 'em as you gaze at your spreadsheets with lustful expressions. .

I really am I have a problem

[Teece]

You used to get jokes on lolly sticks. Its outrageous that you now don't seem to... <_<

[Rincewind]

I always said I didnt want to end up like the grumpy old men that were around when I was young. I tried to keep in touch with the music. Had a perm in the disco era did the rowing song dance, agadoo, raved about the new wave bands. My enthusiasm started to fade with the emergance of the boy bands and got even worse for the arrival of House and Rave music. I have finally succomed with the bombarment of X Factor type shows and street cred Gansta sound. I am now a fully paid up member of the grumpy old git club. Sorry kids. I did try.

[Webbo]

I always said I didnt want to end up like the grumpy old men that was around when I was young. I tried to keep in touch with the music. Had a perm in the disco era did the rowing song dance, agado, raved about the new wave bands. My enthusiasm started to fade withe emergance of the boy bands and got even worse for the arrival of House and rave music. I have finally succomed with the bombarment of X Factor type shows and street cred gansta sound. Iam a fully paid up member of the grumpy old git club. Sorry kids. I did try.

I'm sure our teenage contingent are devastated.

[Thracian]

Depends on the way you look at things. I have mates who think the fifties were the best times. People left doors open and nothing was nicked. Well the The best entertainment system was a tv or a radio in a massive cabinet. Not many people had a phone. All cars were Morris Minors. The main toilet was in the yard shared by 2 other families and bath night was shared by the family in a tin tub by the fire.

I can hardly see a burlar nicking the TV and radio then taking them to the local boozer to flog on.

Going back to the Victorian era in London people were mugged on a nightly basis but if you were one of the working classes the culprit was never caught. If you were wealthy the likes of Sherlock Holmes were called in to investigate.

But yes there have been many changes for the worse. People are more possession minded. From the poorest to the richest households the houses are full of luxary goods. When in the 'olden days' kids were happy with an orange, an apple, a selection box and a a wooden fort with soldiers (dolls house) the kids now have the latest game console Iphone new PC as well as money from various aunties and thats just kids from single parent families.

There was nothing like so many rules, regulations or security measures like street cameras everywhere.

You could usually play football in the sidestreets and 6p seemed to buy endless goodies.

Telephones were answered by real people prepared to give you real answers rather than a series of numbers to push.

You could stand up at football matches and create a cracking atmosphere with those wooden rattles which would now be classed as potential weapons.

You could pretty much park where you liked, petrol cost 75p (37.5p) a gallon (not a litre) and traffic wardens hadn't been invented by the devil!. Decent houses cost £5,000 and we used to play cigarette cards, marbles, snobs and jacks in the school yard...as well as football of course.

If you were skint you could hitch-hike round the country and girls wore the most daring mini-skirts without a care in the world! Bands like the Rolling Stones appeared in Leicester along with other leading stage acts at places like De Montfort Hall and The Trocadero because the NEC didn't exist. There were still steam trains on the railways and on a good day you might easily blag a ride in the cab of one for a short distance because there wasn't nearly the same obsession with banning/curtailing/controlling things on health and safety grounds. There really was quite a sense of freedom in the 60s that has greatly disappeared today. Even close to town you could walk across green fields for miles and there was a much greater variety of wildlife to be seen both in gardens and hedgerows. But was it better then? In some ways yes, but not in every way. Life is still what you make it and there have been some remarkable developments in recent years.

[I am Rod Hull]

If you were raised on Rainbow & Blue Peter, and you played in the woods, fell out of trees and went home filthy and got a thick ear, had 4 TV channels..... & school started with the Lords prayer,jackets for goalposts,home by seven in go-karts made with pram wheels, recorded the top 40 from the radio on a tape, drank from the tap, went to the corner shop for a 2p mix up & maybe 5 Parkies...... and you still turned out ok, ....Remember.... WHEN ENGLAND WAS GREAT !!

And when you`d get cash from an empty bottle of pop/beer, summer was summer, winter was winter, ice creams were bigger than your face, conkers was serious, darts players drank 15 pints a game on TV, football players drank and smoked (during a game), birds eye fish fingers were the dogs bollocks, Coca Cola tasted nice, grans cooking was oh so very goooood, holidays in Devon, birds nesting, hand me downs, dial a disc (16), rusty cars, bingo down the club, throwing dog shit from a stick..

Missed but never forgotten..

[Libertine]

throwing dog shit from a stick..

Ahh, thems was the days, eh?

[Wherethefoxhat?]

Memories eh,,i used to record the top 40 as you recall on a sunday night,,you would have to be quick in between the songs so you didn't get the d.j speaking!

I remember going 'tiddling' with a jam jar with a string handle and a net,,swinging across the brook on a rope-swing tied to a tree,,we rarely had pop from a shop,,because the Jones pop man came round in a van and delivered to your house. If we were lucky enough to have a pop bottle that could be returned,,we took it back to the shop and got the money,,and bought Spangles,,anyone remember them?

Ahhhh Spangles ! Sherbert did -dabs & Flying Saucers !

[ozleicester]

Fool Yeh .... October 2007 was da bomb

[I am Rod Hull]

Ahh, thems was the days, eh?

It was an early anti rape system device thingy...

Worked a treat...