funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Sven clearly doesn't agree with you about Howard mc prussian. How many minutes of football has he played despite being fit? Also you say we shouldn't have a threadbare squad but that's what we've actually got up front at the moment. A threadbare selection and you say we could loan a player but we had a perfectly capable striker in waghorn who was loaned out to a rival. The only reason he wanted to leave is because he wasn't given a fair chance. Look at vassell and tell me he has justified the amount of starts he has before you say waggy has been treated fairly. Also, corky, whilst it's a loan he isn't likely to have a future at city with Sven here. Just seems strange logic from Sven that's all I'm saying.
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Mc Prussian a month into the season and here's an indicator from the premier league of injuries. If injuries aren't common as you claim then why do we have squads of 25? http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Sven clearly doesn't agree with you about Howard mc prussian. How many minutes of football has he played despite being fit? Also you say we shouldn't have a threadbare squad but that's what we've actually got up front at the moment. A threadbare selection and you say we could loan a player but we had a perfectly capable striker in waghorn who was loaned out to a rival. The only reason he wanted to leave is because he wasn't given a fair chance. Look at vassell and tell me he has justified the amount of starts he has before you say waggy has been treated fairly. Also, corky, whilst it's a loan he isn't likely to have a future at city with Sven here. Just seems strange logic from Sven that's all I'm saying. What does Sven's opinion have to do with mine? All I was saying is that, right now, seeing that Nugent's out for another three to four weeks, Howard can fill the gap when needed. He has the experience and the knowledge of the league and can cover for Nugent as a back-up striker while the latter is still out. Waghorn isn't a "perfectly capable striker". He has shown glimpses of talent, yes. But he's still away from your description and still only 21 years old. He can be one "perfectly capable striker", one day. Of course, I do hope it's with us (after all, you don't pay around £2m for nothing) - but only time will tell. The fact is that is that he's stagnated over the past few months (for various reasons, not just because he got little playing time; his standards are beyond shocking and useless) and that he needs games. Vassell scored a goal against Southampton, if I'm not mistaken. And after three games played, that's not a bad quota. I do hope he can keep it up. I also think Vassell has overcome his lack of fitness and is back, better than ever before (at age 31). Just because Waghorn is being loaned out, doesn't mean he has no future under SGE. You really have an odd way of arguing. How do you get to make these assumptions and connections?
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Mc Prussian a month into the season and here's an indicator from the premier league of injuries. If injuries aren't common as you claim then why do we have squads of 25? http://www.physioroo...njury_table.php You claimed they were "very common", which I denied. Don't start putting words in my mouth. It'll make you look like a fool. Just sayin'. Large squads are needed to cover against all possible events during a season, such as injuries, but also the strain from league games, cup competitions, international games, etc. I thought you knew that. So why are you asking me that question?
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 What assumptions and connections? You say Howard is a perfectly good back up striker, why couldn't waggy be that back up striker? So you don't think he's currently a perfectly capable striker and Sven probably agrees. I don't agree with you, nor does Nigel Pearson and nor does the current England u21 set up so it's not such an outlandish opinion for me to have. It's just a different view from yours. I don't dislike vassell but historically his strike rate is poor and it's unlikely that this will change with him well into his career is it?
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Mc prussian. I think injuries are very common, you don't think they are very common, with the emphasis on very. Let's just agree to disagree on this point rather than try to score points. I don't think anything I've stated is foolish, but you're entitled to your opinion mate.
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 What assumptions and connections? You say Howard is a perfectly good back up striker, why couldn't waggy be that back up striker? So you don't think he's currently a perfectly capable striker and Sven probably agrees. I don't agree with you, nor does Nigel Pearson and nor does the current England u21 set up so it's not such an outlandish opinion for me to have. It's just a different view from yours. I don't dislike vassell but historically his strike rate is poor and it's unlikely that this will change with him well into his career is it? Why are you asking me all these questions? Ask Sven about why he loaned Waghorn out or read an interview with him about that subject or listen again to what he had to say on BBC RL. You're really annoying with your ramblings about Waghorn. Give the guys at the club a break, it's not like they're amateurs. Mc prussian. I think injuries are very common, you don't think they are very common, with the emphasis on very. Let's just agree to disagree on this point rather than try to score points. I don't think anything I've stated is foolish, but you're entitled to your opinion mate. But I'd help if you'd quote correctly and fully next time around in order to make a point, rather than cheat your way around it.
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Cheat my way around it? Because of the word very? Annoy because I have an alternate opinion to you? What is the point of the forum if it's not to debate, question, agree and disagree about issues surrounding the club we support?
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Cheat my way around it? Because of the word very? Annoy because I have an alternate opinion to you? What is the point of the forum if it's not to debate, question, agree and disagree about issues surrounding the club we support? There is a massive difference by saying "injuries are very common in football", and then saying they're "common" whilst claiming somebody else said something they clearly didn't. If you want to disagree, do it the right way.
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 There is a massive difference by saying "injuries are very common in football", and then saying they're "common" whilst claiming somebody else said something they clearly didn't. If you want to disagree, do it the right way.
Ric Flair Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Corky, the gradel moment was when we got rid of a player with clear ability and sold them for peanuts to a rival club. Waghorn fits this description. Dumped by Sven and double goalscorer for England u21's says it all. Mc Prussian . Didn't forsee a striker crisis? Injuries are very common, Sven seems to collect midfielders for these instances but is keen to offload players with striking ability. First fryatt and now waghorn. I didn't forget Howard. He fits into leicester's group of strikers that couldn't hit a donkey's arse with a banjo. You admit yourself that he's not the answer. Waghorn has been diabolical for us since he came here permanently. He hasn't been given THAT many chances under Sven but when he has, he's been way off form. He's lacking in confidence and I think he knows he made a mistake in joining us again. Sven could have publically stated that Waghorn was sensational and was going to be his main striker, which might have got Waggy back to how he was for us under Pearson but in truth Sven doesn't really rate him. He see's him as a bit part player with potential, but every time he's used him he's had minimal impact so why keep him? I have no doubt he'll do alright at Hull, his confidence will be lifted with linking up with Pearson and Fryatt and his 2 goals for the Under 21's. Hopefully he'll score 15 goals this season and we re-coup what we paid for him.
Ric Flair Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 I am launching as much spare dough as i've got on Waghorn to score on his debut for Hull.
Babylon Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 It's sven's gradel moment. He hasn't been sold. Good enough for England u21's not good enough for city. Playing for the under 21's does not make you a world beater, some dross has played for them over the years. And lets not forget this is against teams about the level of a league two club. Sven was that desperate for him to leave that he'd rather compromise and reduce his options up front than keep the lad. He repeatedly said he wanted him to stay but he wasn't happy with a place on the bench. Nugent out for a good spell and we are relying on beckford not getting injured with a very young schlupp as the only other front man who can hit a donkey's arse with a banjo. What if the whole squad gets injured, we should get at least another 50 players to cover the possibility they all pick up injuries.
Itsthejoeker Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 He's only gone out on loan, it's not like we've sold him
Babylon Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 I am launching as much spare dough as i've got on Waghorn to score on his debut for Hull. Hope he does, and he probably will. Get him full of confidence and bring him back, if he doesn't want to his price will have gone it massively anyway.
Saxondale Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 I have no doubt he'll do alright at Hull, his confidence will be lifted with linking up with Pearson and Fryatt and his 2 goals for the Under 21's. Hopefully he'll score 15 goals this season and we re-coup what we paid for him. He'll be loving playing with Matty again I should think. Weren't they room mates at Leicester? I hope he does well.
Itsthejoeker Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 OH MY ****ING GOD WE'VE SENT OUR YOUNG PROMISING STRIKER ON LOAN!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!! :frantics:
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 I am launching as much spare dough as i've got on Waghorn to score on his debut for Hull. And then not again for another six, seven games.
MC Prussian Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 He's only gone out on loan, it's not like we've sold him But for some, not seeing Martyn Waghorn in a Leicester City shirt for four months is the end of the world as we know it.
Itsthejoeker Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 But for some, not seeing Martyn Waghorn in a Leicester City shirt for four months is the end of the world as we know it. This forum is embarrassing sometimes
Babylon Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 He'll be loving playing with Matty again I should think. He only started playing here when Fryatt got injured, they rarely played together didn't they?
AdamN Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Look, it's been said time and time again, but Waghorn hasn't done anything under Sven to warrant a place in the team. Lets not forget that he gave both his young strikers the chance to shine in the League Cup against Rotherham, and I'm pretty sure Waghorn wasn't the one that netted three. Factor in Schlupp's goal against Bury too, and it's pretty clear to see why Sven doesn't favour Waghorn right now. Schlupp took his chance to impress, and as such he was rewarded with a start against Reading in the very next game. Waghorn's certainly not going to get in the team ahead of Nugent, Beckford or Vassell (and rightfully so), so with him now being fifth choice in a line of strikers fighting for two spots in the team (provided we continue with 4-4-2), then loaning Waghorn out to get some game time is the only sensible option. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp for some people?
Master Fox Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 Quite frankly they are welcome to Fryatt & Waghorn. Nothing to worry about
Happy Fox Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 http://www.hullcityafc.net/page/NewsDetail/0,,10338~2442920,00.html? His efforts in an England shirt have certainly whetted the appetites of City fans and the 21-year-old admits that the last few days have given him a major boost. "I needed to play some games so it was nice to get away, play a couple of games and score a couple of goals," said Waghorn. "It was my first call-up to the England U21 squad so it was a very interesting experience. I got to play with some good players and it was a fantastic squad. Scoring twice and getting two goals was great." With that behind him, it's now time for the South Shields-born former Sunderland man to concentrate on life with the Tigers. Once it had been established that a move to the KC Stadium was a possibility, there was only one place Waghorn wanted to head to despite interest from other clubs, with the obvious draw being the chance to once again work under Nigel Pearson and his staff, a combination that worked well for the striker at Leicester during the 2009/10 season. "The interest had been there for quite a while because of the Leicester connection," added Waghorn. "There were a few other clubs interested but because I knew that Hull City were involved, it was quite an easy decision to come here. "Because it got as far as deadline day, there was a little bit of concern that it wouldn't go through. There were a few things holding it up like transfers going into Leicester, but I wanted it to happen from day one and I'm glad it did. "I know the manager here quite well. Hopefully he can get the best out of me and (working with him) proved quite productive at Leicester. I'll certainly be giving it my best." Another partnership Waghorn hopes will prove to be productive is that with fellow striker Matty Fryatt. The two played together at Leicester and Waghorn hopes the, albeit brief, success of that can be revived at the KC. "We had a bit of a spell together, although when I first went to Leicester on loan it took me a while to get into the first team. "Once I did get in, we played well together and scored a few goals. Unfortunately, Matty then got injured and I ended up playing a lot by myself. "I know how Matty plays, I know how well we can work together so hopefully we can hit it off once again.
funkyrobot Posted 6 September 2011 Posted 6 September 2011 He hasn't been sold. Playing for the under 21's does not make you a world beater, some dross has played for them over the years. And lets not forget this is against teams about the level of a league two club. He repeatedly said he wanted him to stay but he wasn't happy with a place on the bench. What if the whole squad gets injured, we should get at least another 50 players to cover the possibility they all pick up injuries. Sorry Sven
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