Fox92 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 You'd not have us? Leeds, Forest and Derby have a rich history. Leeds are well supported home and away. Forest usually get a decent following and while Derby haven't taken great numbers away from home in recent years, they've always had good support and their consistent home attendance speaks for itself. I'd personally put us in the next bracket.
Banks Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Derby have good home crowds because either tickets are so cheap or they are given to supporters for free. If we had their kind of offers then we'd get 30,000+ every game...
Stadt Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 For me fan base matters the most about the size if a club.
Finnaldo Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 The whole thing is complete bollox. There's no such thing as a big club and its only used as a comeback when someone's team loses or is below another team. You can never measure how big a club is because it's all perspective. What should matter is who is the better club. At the moment Leicester are the best club in the league and that's all I care about. I couldn't care less if Yeovil have never won anything and have never been this high before, it's another team in the league that should be respected as opposition. At the moment, Yeovil are a better club than Sheffield United, and that won't change till next season. How people see what cups teams won either two or twenty years ago more important than their current squad and position I'll never know.
Dan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 We are and I think that if anything, that's what kind of plays down the importance of being a 'big' club. Anyone who thinks Bolton & Burnley are bigger than us is ridiculous but you can't argue with what those pair have won, even if it was ages ago. It's like how Forest think they're a giant club because they were champions of Europe in the seventies. You get the feeling from the PA bloke (WORLD FAMOUS CITY GROUND ) to the arrogance of their fans that they think they're up there with the AC Milan's and Barcelona's but they aren't. Size wise there is very, very little between us, Forest and Derby (and I'd put Derby third personally) but without trying to blow their trumpet, I'd say that's what makes Forest's achievements all the more impressive. Clubs can grow over time but Forest, rightly or wrongly, happened to have their success when you didn't really grow as significantly through being champions of Europe whereas now. they'd be far bigger than Leicester - but the fact is they just aren't. I started on a top 20 and got stuck when I hit number 4. No idea who I'd put after Man Utd (who are without a doubt number one), Liverpool & Arsenal.
ADK Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 My top 20: Manchester United Liverpool Arsenal Chelsea Newcastle Tottenham Manchester City Aston Villa Everton West Ham Sunderland Leeds West Brom Stoke Swansea Fulham Sheffield Wednesday Blackburn Bolton Wolves It's based mostly on recent league position. I found it quite difficult to make a case for many non premier teams to make the list. Clubs like Stoke and Fulham aren't big but have become established premier league teams.
Dan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I don't know how you can base it on league position and then have Sheffield Wednesday above us.
ADK Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I just see them as a big team with a well known ground and they were established premiership until quite recently.
Stadt Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I don't know how you can base it on league position and then have Sheffield Wednesday above us.And Wolves
Fox92 Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I don't know how you can base it on league position and then have Sheffield Wednesday above us. This is not just because I hate Sheffield Wednesday, but they arn't that much of a big club. I'll admit they are one of the bigger in our division but most people on here bang on like they are the biggest club outside the top flight. They have a decent history, good fanbase but haven't won anything in years. And when was the last time they were in the Premier League? 2000? They've been shite for years, even visiting the third tier more than once... People say 'oh Forest haven't won anything in years' etc, well it works with other clubs as well. Same with Newcastle as well. I know it's all opinion but how are they above Manchester City and Spurs? Newcastle haven't won anything in 60 years.
Jordan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I will never understand why the English are so obsessed with the relative "size" of clubs.
Dan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I think Wednesday are slightly bigger than us but I emphasise the word 'slightly'. They're no giant but they have cracking support really, considering how shit they've been for years and the fact they share a city (albeit a bigger one) with another decent sized club. Newcastle have the biggest fanbase of those three in my opinion. Not by much though.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 9 January 2014 Posted 9 January 2014 Number of fans on FIFA 14: 1. Leeds United - 49,122 2. Nottingham Forest - 20,178 3. Birmingham City - 18,286 4. Middlesbrough - 15,478 5. Leicester City - 15,421 6. Queens Park Rangers - 14,055 7. Sheffield Wednesday - 13,108 8. Bolton Wanderers - 12,830 9. Derby County - 12,727 10. Blackburn Rovers - 11,762 11. Millwall - 8,010 12. Ipswich Town - 7,869 13. Reading - 7,799 14. Wigan Athletic - 7,740 15. Barnsley - 7,703 16. Brighton & Hove Albion - 7,536 17. Burnley - 6,800 18. Charlton Athletic - 6,136 19. Watford - 5,810 20. Huddersfield Town - 5,624 21. Blackpool - 5,284 22. Doncaster Rovers - 4,043 23. Bournemouth - 3,418 24. Yeovil Town - 2,335
Banks Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 Man Utd Liverpool Arsenal Everton Chelsea Man City Newcastle Spurs Leeds Aston Villa Sunderland Forest Wednesday West Ham Wolves Leicester Derby West Brom Bolton Blackburn
Red Dawn Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 Some seriously cringeworthy stuff on here guys. Those stating nonsense about Forest were only good because we were 'lucky' enough to stumble across a good manager - could you not make that suggestion about countless other clubs? United without Fergie would still be behind Liverpool? Your also rans. Leeds and Forest are clearly the biggest teams in the division closely followed by Sheff Wed and Derby. I would throw Leicester in the same hat as Ipswich and Middlesborough. Never won anything of note or achieved anything. 25k in a promotion year proves absolutely nothing.
Stadt Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 Some seriously cringeworthy stuff on here guys. Those stating nonsense about Forest were only good because we were 'lucky' enough to stumble across a good manager - could you not make that suggestion about countless other clubs? United without Fergie would still be behind Liverpool? Your also rans. Leeds and Forest are clearly the biggest teams in the division closely followed by Sheff Wed and Derby. I would throw Leicester in the same hat as Ipswich and Middlesborough. Never won anything of note or achieved anything. 25k in a promotion year proves absolutely nothing. Sorry to offend the almighty Forest! Winning stuff decades ago Doesn't constitute how big a club is now, also Wednesday are a bigger club than you.
Raj Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 You can't just throw away decades of history.Its what a club is based on....ask red wearing Cardiff city and hull tigers.Until we win the FA cup or top League,no matter how deluded we are, we can't be classed as "BIG"..
Dan Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 Number of fans on FIFA 14: 1. Leeds United - 49,122 2. Nottingham Forest - 20,178 3. Birmingham City - 18,286 4. Middlesbrough - 15,478 5. Leicester City - 15,421 6. Queens Park Rangers - 14,055 7. Sheffield Wednesday - 13,108 8. Bolton Wanderers - 12,830 9. Derby County - 12,727 10. Blackburn Rovers - 11,762 11. Millwall - 8,010 12. Ipswich Town - 7,869 13. Reading - 7,799 14. Wigan Athletic - 7,740 15. Barnsley - 7,703 16. Brighton & Hove Albion - 7,536 17. Burnley - 6,800 18. Charlton Athletic - 6,136 19. Watford - 5,810 20. Huddersfield Town - 5,624 21. Blackpool - 5,284 22. Doncaster Rovers - 4,043 23. Bournemouth - 3,418 24. Yeovil Town - 2,335 This stat remains as irrelevant as the last time you posted it.
Banks Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 This stat remains as irrelevant as the last time you posted it. Haha those stats are just complete and utter rubbish.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 January 2014 Posted 10 January 2014 Some seriously cringeworthy stuff on here guys. Those stating nonsense about Forest were only good because we were 'lucky' enough to stumble across a good manager - could you not make that suggestion about countless other clubs? United without Fergie would still be behind Liverpool? Your also rans. Leeds and Forest are clearly the biggest teams in the division closely followed by Sheff Wed and Derby. I would throw Leicester in the same hat as Ipswich and Middlesborough. Never won anything of note or achieved anything. 25k in a promotion year proves absolutely nothing. What an absolutely shite example. Manchester United had several championships, cups and a European Cup whilst Alex Ferguson was still managing in Aberdeen. They'd put together one of the most iconic teams in English football history in the 1950s and won England's first European Cup in 1968. Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Leeds and numerous others had all had great success under more than one manager. Forest pre-Clough had an FA Cup in the Victorian era, one in the 1950s and precisely nothing else. They were a small, provincial club which is the reason why Clough's achievements are so respected in the game. He took two unfashionable little clubs from two equally unfashionable East Midlands cities and took them to the very top. If you were actually a big club, Clough's achievements wouldn't have been anything like as remarkable. What have you won since 1993, by the way?
Kitchandro Posted 11 January 2014 Posted 11 January 2014 Some seriously cringeworthy stuff on here guys. Those stating nonsense about Forest were only good because we were 'lucky' enough to stumble across a good manager - could you not make that suggestion about countless other clubs? United without Fergie would still be behind Liverpool? Your also rans. Leeds and Forest are clearly the biggest teams in the division closely followed by Sheff Wed and Derby. I would throw Leicester in the same hat as Ipswich and Middlesborough. Never won anything of note or achieved anything. 25k in a promotion year proves absolutely nothing. Yes but they have huge fanbases, genius. What do you have? Big crowd against Derby and that's about it. Even when you were a prem side you couldn't fill your ground. Meanwhile we've had bigger crowds than you for years. Even when you finished well above us we had more than you home and away. If you're such a big club, let's see you do it again. Go on, I dare ya. Do it without Clough. Seriously. Or are you actually a shite, medium sized nothing club that everyone thinks are a huge joke these days? Gonna average massive crowds soon like a truly big club? Didn't think so. Forest are tinpot nobodies. Enjoy your love in with Derby next season, sweetheart. Bye
Guest Bilo Posted 11 January 2014 Posted 11 January 2014 Yes but they have huge fanbases, genius. What do you have? Big crowd against Derby and that's about it. Even when you were a prem side you couldn't fill your ground. Meanwhile we've had bigger crowds than you for years. Even when you finished well above us we had more than you home and away. Forest are tinpot nobodies. Enjoy your love in with Derby next season, sweetheart. Bye I do feel the need to point out, not for the first time, they play for a trophy. AN. ACTUAL. TROPHY.
Kitchandro Posted 11 January 2014 Posted 11 January 2014 I do feel the need to point out, not for the first time, they play for a trophy. AN. ACTUAL. TROPHY. Clubs around the country which have real rivalries must laugh their arses off and these bunch of muppets.
Voll Blau Posted 11 January 2014 Posted 11 January 2014 I do feel the need to point out, not for the first time, they play for a trophy. AN. ACTUAL. TROPHY. The A52 love in. Reckon I'm in a minority but I judge how "big" a team is solely on how good their away support is (in terms of volume, not numbers turning up).
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