Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Those who are calling for Sven's head - were you calling for MON's head after the Sheff Utd game? After all that was worse form than we've been on at the start of this season. MON hadn't been in the job a year by that stage. But if you're saying is promotion through the play-offs is still possible, then fair point, and the fear that Sven's replacement may have a slow start and we fall away completely is the only reason I don't want him sacked. There's still hope I just have no confidence.
Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Ferguson didnt win anything in his 1st 3 years at man u, for fvcks change the record grow up and give the man a chance Oh so you think we should spend the next 3 years in the Championship then? Please can people stop comparing any of our managers to managers like Alex Ferguson. He is an exception to the rule.
jamesmilner Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 we can sit with a finger in the hole in the dike until all the water trickles through , if it didnt fit then , it aint gonna fit anytime ! me , i'd just get someone with a bigger finger !
jamesmilner Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 i thought id watch the lads warm up yesterday before the match . they werent the best , all warm up. when the coach was trying to stretch them just before they went back in they just took the pi$$ , the coach was doing more stretches than them , they looked too relaxed and confident and messing about .after weds game against watford i heard stringer comment about "champagne" as wellens came to talk to him. i actually commented both times as i wasnt impressed . we all know that " fail to prepare = prepare to fail " . have we turned into champagne charlies of the championship like man city did in the prem before they got it right ?
bettso Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Sven will never win over the majority of the supporters. He may as well go now.
acooling08 Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 As usual you completely miss the point. We were poor yesterday but we're in decent form - 4-4-2 from the last 10, extrapolated through-out a season would give 76 points, The last 6 times we got over 70 points in a division 2 season we made the top 6. We're in good form yet after 1 set-back everyone wants rid, I bet you didn't when we won 5 out of 6 at the start of the year. Compare our last 10 to the 10 before & including Sheff Utd - 3-3-4, 55 points over the course of the season - we got relegated in 08 with 52. Al for me the problem isn't the results, it's that the performances are consistently not good enough. Only about a 1/6 of the games we've played have we played anywhere near what we should be. Apart from Derby, I don't remember a brilliant performance from us at all this season. Brighton, Southampton were good. Apart from that, it's been mid table standard.
Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Al for me the problem isn't the results, it's that the performances are consistently not good enough. Only about a 1/6 of the games we've played have we played anywhere near what we should be. Apart from Derby, I don't remember a brilliant performance from us at all this season. Brighton, Southampton were good. Apart from that, it's been mid table standard. Southampton, like Watford, was only good in the first half, and the whole game we defended awfully. Second half we sat back and changed the system and we were very lucky to hang on.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Southampton, like Watford, was only good in the first half, and the whole game we defended awfully. Second half we sat back and changed the system and we were very lucky to hang on. That's Sven all over, he is a very negative type manager. Can Sven bring anyone in on loan??? He really needs to change his strategy!
iancognito Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Ferguson didnt win anything in his 1st 3 years at man u, for fvcks change the record grow up and give the man a chance Hate this argument. Ferguson hadn't been given 12 million to spend to get out of an incredibly average division. Ferguson didn't offload good, championship-proven players for a pittance and bring in arguably worse players on better money for extortionate fees. Ferguson had a previously good record in club management and was used to winning playing attacking football. Ferguson used players and tactics capable of winning trophies, not square pegs in round holes and a side with no backbone or guile when teams come to park the bus. I prefer the Roy Hodgson perspective / argument where Liverpool were going nowhere with negative tactics and players not knowing what they were doing. Liverpool's board admitted their mistake, made the change and brought in Kenny Dalglish. The team picked up points, looked organised and finished the season on a high and have carried the form on this season. As for what can he do........ Two centre mids, one holding & one attacking, two wide men plus a big man and a little man combo up front. I don't care if Norwich played and won loads with a diamond last season, it isn't working for us. Howard may not be Messi but he's got more determination and work rate than Beckford, bullies defenders and is an actual threat up top, play him with Nugent and we might get somewhere.
The Doctor Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Hate this argument. Ferguson hadn't been given 12 million to spend to get out of an incredibly average division. Ferguson didn't offload good, championship-proven players for a pittance and bring in arguably worse players on better money for extortionate fees. Ferguson had a previously good record in club management and was used to winning playing attacking football. Ferguson used players and tactics capable of winning trophies, not square pegs in round holes and a side with no backbone or guile when teams come to park the bus. I prefer the Roy Hodgson perspective / argument where Liverpool were going nowhere with negative tactics and players not knowing what they were doing. Liverpool's board admitted their mistake, made the change and brought in Kenny Dalglish. The team picked up points, looked organised and finished the season on a high and have carried the form on this season. As for what can he do........ Two centre mids, one holding & one attacking, two wide men plus a big man and a little man combo up front. I don't care if Norwich played and won loads with a diamond last season, it isn't working for us. Howard may not be Messi but he's got more determination and work rate than Beckford, bullies defenders and is an actual threat up top, play him with Nugent and we might get somewhere. Believe it or not, that is not the only way to play, in fact I'd say it's pretty ****ing outdated now. I'd prefer either a re-jigging of the midfield for the diamond or a change to a 4-2-3-1 of sorts.
somebum Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 As usual you completely miss the point. We were poor yesterday but we're in decent form - 4-4-2 from the last 10, extrapolated through-out a season would give 76 points, The last 6 times we got over 70 points in a division 2 season we made the top 6. We're in good form yet after 1 set-back everyone wants rid, I bet you didn't when we won 5 out of 6 at the start of the year. Compare our last 10 to the 10 before & including Sheff Utd - 3-3-4, 55 points over the course of the season - we got relegated in 08 with 52. Consistency is the key word and we will never get it with Sven. Grow up
MC Prussian Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Consistency is the key word and we will never get it with Sven. Grow up What's "consistency" for you? Three wins in a row? Losing one in twenty? Or just winning more games than you're losing? And over what period of time? Which other team in this division has signed as many players as we have at the start of the new season? How do you measure "consistency" from thereon?
The Doctor Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Consistency is the key word and we will never get it with Sven. Grow up So how long a period does it need to be to be consistent - was the 5 wins in 6 at the turn of the year consistent? Oh and if growing up involves becoming a dull as shit WUM who hates Sven so much I can only assume Sven banged his ex then I'd rather stay as I am.
flowwolf Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 Worse than Saturdays display ? eeerm don't think it could get any worse.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 that was one ****ing display. Jesus christ!
marbelladave Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 We've been mixing the utter crap (yesterday, birmingham) with some very good performances (, Brighton, Derby). I've not seen enough to suggest we can win promotion but, with how tight this league is and that we are picking up points without playing all that well, I se no reason to suggest we couldn't make a decent fist of a play-off challenge. There are major problems within the club - a tendency to choke when presented with a chance to hop into the promotion places, a lack of clincality upfront and a seeming lack of a plan B and yet despite all this, we are still within touching distance of 2nd, a quiet word in the ear of Beckford - and for that matter most of the squad and we should be fine. You are completely missing the point, you are looking at specifics when our problem is so fundamental that the specifics do not matter one jot, you talk about not having a Plan B when we do not even have a Plan A....... Put simply, our team are sent out to play with no shape or structure, no discipline and absolutely no idea of what they are up against. The preparation is so poor that our efforts are sometimes laughable. To play well, even for just a few minutes, requires two or three of our better players to step up and play the kind of football they are capable of, but this happens so rarely that it is clearly some sort of aberation from the disjointed dross that has been the norm this season. We may be only a couple of points off a playoff place, but the table does not lie, we are bottom half, which is what we deserve......
marbelladave Posted 23 October 2011 Posted 23 October 2011 What's "consistency" for you? Three wins in a row? Losing one in twenty? Or just winning more games than you're losing? And over what period of time? Which other team in this division has signed as many players as we have at the start of the new season? How do you measure "consistency" from thereon? For me consistency is simple. It involves sending out a team where each player knows his role, each player knows what to expect from his team mates and each player knows what to expect from the opposition. It's called preparation and teamwork, and we do not have any, none whatsoever!
MC Prussian Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 For me consistency is simple. It involves sending out a team where each player knows his role, each player knows what to expect from his team mates and each player knows what to expect from the opposition. It's called preparation and teamwork, and we do not have any, none whatsoever! But that's not consistency, that's preparation and teamwork.
woznotwos Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 He's brought the wrong personnel in, we're playing a fussy, overly intricate system with no penetration and we've got no wingers. This system works against open teams, but its so easy to counter this!!!!
Master Fox Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 The midfield is clearly the problem. Personally I'd never let Wellens, King, or Abe ever play for Leicester again.
marbelladave Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 But that's not consistency, that's preparation and teamwork. Preparation and teamwork is what gives a side it's structure, done right it virtually guarantees a certain basic level of competence that we so so obviously lack. Even on our not so good days it should ensure that, given the players that we have, we are at least competitive with anyone in this league. We should at least go out looking to win, home or away, we won't win every game that's for sure but a decent performance, based on preparation and consistency should be enough to see off the poore sides in this division. That's consistency.
MC Prussian Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 Preparation and teamwork is what gives a side it's structure, done right it virtually guarantees a certain basic level of competence that we so so obviously lack. Even on our not so good days it should ensure that, given the players that we have, we are at least competitive with anyone in this league. We should at least go out looking to win, home or away, we won't win every game that's for sure but a decent performance, based on preparation and consistency should be enough to see off the poore sides in this division. That's consistency. You can't get consistency unless you string a couple of results together. Consistency is based on preparation, a positive attitude, fitness, teamwork and a certain amount of luck (e.g. the referee, injuries, weather). Besides, there are hardly any poor sides in this division. Competition is tough. I hope we won't crumble because of this competition.
dannythefox Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 The midfield is clearly the problem. Personally I'd never let Wellens, King, or Abe ever play for Leicester again. Ha Ha to be fair i think its the way svens playing the midfield thats not doing them any favours we all no they can play in the right formation.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 October 2011 Posted 24 October 2011 The midfield is clearly the problem. Personally I'd never let Wellens, King, or Abe ever play for Leicester again. What a load of old tosh! too silly its hardly worth commenting on... we know these players can be fine if played in the right way.. Sven has got rid of Hobbs, Wags, rarely plays Dyer..you'd have him sell Wellens, King and Abe too?
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