O'neill - legend status?

[ozleicester]

Not at all. Would you ask vettel to drive in a skoda? Think about it it, we aren't exactly a smooth running ship and you cant polish a turd!

Supposedly one of the best player line ups in the league

supposedly the backing of many million pounds

Starting from a position just outside the playoffs

Only 1/4 of the season gone

I still believe this is probably the best job in Britain at the moment, Peter Taylor could succeed. Ok thats going a bit far this is one turd you could cut, polish and get a fair quid for on Antiques roadshow

[luckyalex13]

[Wherethefoxhat?]

I would assume that you start this thread based mainly upon your age?

If you were my age you wouldnt even consider writing such utter shite.

Martin did more for this club than any manager has done since.

He has his reasons for not wanting to come back.. they are his reasons, personal to him and he's an honourable man who does the correct thing for both himself and his family. If he felt it was correct, given his current circumstances he would return.

This man will always be a legend in my eyes as the best manager I've seen City play under.

Seconded !!!

[hackneyfox]

O'Neill had proven his judgement was sound and could be trusted to make such decisions, Taylor hadn't so blame the board of thast era for not placing restraints on a novice manager

Hmmmm, not sure about that, there is a need to be able to blame someone else apart from the manager for a players pay.

By the time Taylor came in the other directors had effectively been forced to quit so there was nobody to place those restraints on Taylor.

[hackneyfox]

I'm not denying he wanted his own way but if he is getting results then he should be allowed to have his own way.

if a manager was not allowed to have decision making power he would be being judged on the boards decisions (chelsea)

either way i would love to have him back but doubt its going to happen.

Managers should have the say over who is signed.

Someone else should make the decision, with the help of the manager, over what is paid for and to a player.

O'Neill gained some of the same power at Villa and signed a fair number of slightly above average players on large fees and inflated salaries.

The minute that RL decided to apply some control over the money (i.e. Milner money bot being released) MON quit.

[luckyalex13]

Managers should have the say over who is signed.

Someone else should make the decision, with the help of the manager, over what is paid for and to a player.

O'Neill gained some of the same power at Villa and signed a fair number of slightly above average players on large fees and inflated salaries.

The minute that RL decided to apply some control over the money (i.e. Milner money bot being released) MON quit.

O'Neill's team at villa finished in the top 6 each year and therefore results were good.

RL not releasing money from Milner's sale was undoing the work MON had done by weakening the squad but expecting results.

as long as the club can afford the wages and fees then why not let him have control rather than a board member with no football knowledge......im sure LCFC ans AVFC didnt just give him the club cheque book and say 'do what you like' there must have been constraints he worked within

[Burmesefox]

one of my favourite analogies..

Although you can't surely say that this squad or the club presently is a 'turd'?

A bit of a laughing stock to the other Championship Teams yes... but not a 'turd'

nah, you're right we're not a turd. However, Oniell's reluctance to joing would be based upon

1. He is better than CCC - he needs to be at a club pushing for Europe at least

2. We are unreliable behind the scenes - too many changes and owners that have hardly introduced stability with the sacking of sven.

3. We got rid of sven too quickly (and O'neill belives this too) so he can see that the othais will have a different perspective to his own

4. He likes autonomy - just like SAF. Will they relenquish power or interfere with a things like a promo match in thailand and the order to buy players MON doesnt want or the pursuit of people like Beckham, etc

The only way for us to capture MON's interest imho would be:

1. Short term contract til end of season - so he can have harry's job at Spurs (when and if harry gets it) with a clasue to continue all being well

2. Big pay packet - £1 mill til end of year?

3. decent severance (in event he does get the sack he will be financially protected).

otherwise, it's a big fat no deal

[Bellend Sebastian]

Not at all. Would you ask vettel to drive in a skoda? Think about it it, we aren't exactly a smooth running ship and you cant polish a turd!

But you can roll it in glitter, as we've noted previously.

I'd be worried if he did come back, to be honest. From what I've seen and been told he's a very intelligent man, and I don't think coming back in these circumstances would be a particularly rational thing to do. Heart says yes, head says for chrissake don't join a circus of bullshit and sentimentality if you don't have to. Part of me would do a sex wee if he came back, but that doesn't make it a good idea

[hackneyfox]

O'Neill's team at villa finished in the top 6 each year and therefore results were good.

RL not releasing money from Milner's sale was undoing the work MON had done by weakening the squad but expecting results.

as long as the club can afford the wages and fees then why not let him have control rather than a board member with no football knowledge......im sure LCFC ans AVFC didnt just give him the club cheque book and say 'do what you like' there must have been constraints he worked within

I'd have thought there was enough evidence from Peter Taylor to show that there were no constraints whatsoever.

Just how many prats did he sign at hugely inflated salaries?

[foxoffderby]

Legend Status?

Is this a joke there are some right nob heads on here.

Lets take our neighbours for example I've never ever heard any Derby or Forest fan say a bad word about Brian Clough. Derby fans are the worst they've never recovered from the day Clough resigned from the club and then went down the A52 to watch their rivals win the European Cup twice. They think that should of been them and it would of been if it haden't been for the pig headedness of he DCFC Chairman Sam Longson. There does seem to be similarties between MON and the LCFC board at the time.

I think we are the same as DCFC in the fact we were on the cusp of something special when Clough\MON left and we've never recovered. This is why its so hard to take we, and me included find it difficult to let MON go.

MON will always be a legend in my eyes in my life time I don't think I will see LCFC win another trophey my head says with the advent of modern football and the monoplies of the big 6. But my heart says of course we will because MON is coming back.

I really cant believe the twats on here who can have a go at the great man. In the future when we've won nothing for many years some of you will realise how lucky we were to have MON as our manager and what great times they were in our lives to be fans of LCFC.

[surrifox]

MON left the club with a year's prem income and the heskey transfer fee in the bank. Taylor then spent it on Matt jones, Benjamin, Lweis etc and gave absudly high contracts to the likes of Wise and Walker . He also paid Izzett and Elliott salaries close to twice what they were expecting

[ARM1968]

Actually you can polish a turd - just saying. You can even gild a turd. Although at heart it's still a turd!!

[Guest Col city fan]

Legend Status?

Is this a joke there are some right nob heads on here.

Lets take our neighbours for example I've never ever heard any Derby or Forest fan say a bad word about Brian Clough. Derby fans are the worst they've never recovered from the

day Clough resigned from the club and then went down the A52 to watch their rivals win the European Cup twice. They think that should of been them and it would of been if it haden't been for the pig headedness of he DCFC Chairman Sam Longson. There does seem to be similarties between MON and the LCFC board at the time.

I think we are the same as DCFC in the fact we were on the

cusp of something special when Clough\MON left and we've never recovered. This is why its so hard to take we, and me included find it difficult to let MON go.

MON will always be a legend in my eyes in my life time I don't think I will see LCFC win another trophey my head says with the advent of modern football and the monoplies

of the big 6. But my heart says of course we will because MON is coming back.

I really cant believe the twats on here who can have a go at the great man. In the future when we've won nothing for many years some of you will realise how lucky we were to have MON as our manager and what great times they were in our lives to be fans of LCFC.

Great post. Agree with all of it except I doubt MON is gonnna come back..

[escos]

Legend Status?

Is this a joke there are some right nob heads on here.

Lets take our neighbours for example I've never ever heard any Derby or Forest fan say a bad word about Brian Clough. Derby fans are the worst they've never recovered from the day Clough resigned from the club and then went down the A52 to watch their rivals win the European Cup twice. They think that should of been them and it would of been if it haden't been for the pig headedness of he DCFC Chairman Sam Longson. There does seem to be similarties between MON and the LCFC board at the time.

I think we are the same as DCFC in the fact we were on the cusp of something special when Clough\MON left and we've never recovered. This is why its so hard to take we, and me included find it difficult to let MON go.

MON will always be a legend in my eyes in my life time I don't think I will see LCFC win another trophey my head says with the advent of modern football and the monoplies of the big 6. But my heart says of course we will because MON is coming back.

I really cant believe the twats on here who can have a go at the great man. In the future when we've won nothing for many years some of you will realise how lucky we were to have MON as our manager and what great times they were in our lives to be fans of LCFC.

Yeah what a twat I am having an opinion that is different to yours on a football forum!!!!

[Babylon]

By the time Taylor came in the other directors had effectively been forced to quit so there was nobody to place those restraints on Taylor.

We still had a board and a chairman (I know I worked there briefly at the time), we just had one loyal to O'Neill. You cannot blame a manager who is no longer at the club for the board employing Taylor and letting him spend money on crap.

[hackneyfox]

I'm not blaming O'Neill as such, just pointing out that he forced the issue of who made the decisions inside the club.

It was a move that we very quickly came to regret once he left and another manager was given the same freedom.

There are a few on the roof who believe that he toyed with us for a couple of years and then, when he eventually promised not to leave, at least until he'd seen out his contract, just upped and fooked off to Celtic.

[luckyalex13]

I'd have thought there was enough evidence from Peter Taylor to show that there were no constraints whatsoever.

Just how many prats did he sign at hugely inflated salaries?

He would have had contraints...he was just a C**K

[hackneyfox]

They must have been fairly loose ones, AA became a millionaire.

Bambi was allegedly on 15k+ a week.

[bluesbrothers]

3 pages of arguments!

Well, i guess this is an internet forum, so I shouldnt be suprised...

MON > Any other manager in the past 15 years.

Though I must give a small shout to Micky Adams, simply because he got us promoted during a period of absolute turmoil at the club.

[topharry123]

He'll always have that legendary status around Leicester, whatever he does in the future. If he turned us down then so be it his work here was done a long time ago, and getting close to 60 I would expect him to be looking for that last one big job that can see him compete for the top honors in the game. As much as i'd like him here, from his point of view it would surely be a step back regardless of the money.

[Wherethefoxhat?]

I'm not blaming O'Neill as such, just pointing out that he forced the issue of who made the decisions inside the club.

It was a move that we very quickly came to regret once he left and another manager was given the same freedom.

There are a few on the roof who believe that he toyed with us for a couple of years and then, when he eventually promised not to leave, at least until he'd seen out his contract, just upped and fooked off to Celtic.

He turned down Everton and Leeds i believe while he was with us ......but his father had said that if ever the Celtic job was offered to him ..." to walk all the way to Parkhead to take it !"

[dave_the_fox]

Chilli con Carne? More like chilli con barmy - the blokes a legend mate end of.

[inckley fox]

Obviously O'Neill's a legend, unless we wish to accept that our club's entire history has been worthless (considering he was almost certainly our best manager).

No can't see how you can ruin that by staying away.

On another note, I really don't like the various references to his wife possibly being ill (on several threads). As I understood that was over, and if it isn't over this isn't the right place to be raking it up. Micky Adams once said his wife read the forums, if the same applies to O'Neill or any of his family this could be one of the best ways to ensure that he doesn't rejoin us. And that applies whether you're privy to some sort of private information, or are just making it up (as I sincerely hope). We've all spent a week ranting on about nothing in particular, we shouldn't drag something as terrible as this into our miserable little vat of nonsense.

[Walkers Pallet Chauffeur]

He turned down Everton and Leeds i believe while he was with us ......but his father had said that if ever the Celtic job was offered to him ..." to walk all the way to Parkhead to take it !"

Becus of his Irish roots, one thing he said was he always wanted to manage Celtic.

His dream job became available, he said he Cudnt take us any further without more finances, so he left.

I'm sure if our dream jobs were offered to us, we wud leave our current ones as well.

Can't blame the bloke.

I wud like him to come bak and see what he cud do with this squad and the current backing, but if he doesn't, then Thanx Martin for what u did for us. I wish u all the best.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Becus of his Irish roots, one thing he said was he always wanted to manage Celtic.

His dream job became available, he said he Cudnt take us any further without more finances, so he left.

I'm sure if our dream jobs were offered to us, we wud leave our current ones as well.

Can't blame the bloke.

I wud like him to come bak and see what he cud do with this squad and the current backing, but if he doesn't, then Thanx Martin for what u did for us. I wish u all the best.

What does most of this mean. I am not a pedant but FFS please type in English. It is not a text message!!

Marin O'neill was, is and always will be a legend for what he did when he was here in the 90's. Whether he comes back or not this will not be affected. I hope (although do not expect) he can return to our football club and take us back to the Prem. He will have everything at his disposal to make us what he has always wanted.