Leeds United Post Match Thread

[Father Ted]

I just got called a fake fan by a Man U fan... Did humour me after citys poor result

Just ask him what Man Utd v Leeds score was

[damolcfc]

Feel so disappointed.

[leicesterseddon]

4 home defeats, only just in November, it reminds me of the time when Holloway took over, we are looking downwards not upwards/

Say no to Pearson, get MON in, he is the only way forward, but we couldn't even be bothered to chant his name and let the owners know.

The Leeds fans were fantastic, and made me jealous. Supporting Leicester used to be like that, I was in te kop and it was like a morgue. There is more atmosphere watching Rugby.

Today was shicking, they didn't have a goalie and we didn;t manage one, no not one ****ing shot on target

Well, yeah. But I've been to Elland Road several times and we've outsung them there. And, let's be fair - we proabably 'outsing' the home fans when we go away 90% of the time.

Let's face it...we're not the only club encountering these problems. The 'home crowd' just doesn't really exist in this league, especially now that attendances are dropping.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Kasper looks like the only player that gives a shit.

[Kitchandro]

Well. I see the fans fvcked the minute silence again.

First, fans start talking in the corner, and mouthing each other off.

Then we didn't even have a minute silence. The silence was meant to be after the trumpet, but the players walked off, and crowd started up, while the ref kept blowing his whistle, trying to get the players back.

Well done lads

I seem to remember the players walking off last season as well.

The fact that the Last Post goes on for so long makes it seem as if that is the actual silence, as in it seems to go on for a minute.

I'm sure people were say all the fans (and players if we're being fair) are all completely thick but that's really not the point, you have to be prepared for people being thick (it is a football match after all) and I think it could be avoided had they made it clear that the minute silence begins once the bloke has finished playing the horn.

I'm not excusing people for screwing it up (especially the numbskull who decided to clap midway through for no reason) but still, I think they could do more to make sure it doesn't get screwed up. Even if you have to treat people like very small children it's better to be safe than sorry.

[Kitchandro]

Well, yeah. But I've been to Elland Road several times and we've outsung them there. And, let's be fair - we proabably 'outsing' the home fans when we go away 90% of the time.

Let's face it...we're not the only club encountering these problems. The 'home crowd' just doesn't really exist in this league, especially now that attendances are dropping.

Agreed. That's how all away should be anyway.

And tbf, yes they were really loud when they sung, but they didn't actually sing non-stop or anything like that, there were long parts of the game with no singing. After they scored they were always going to outsing us, especially with our pathetic display deflating the home crowd.

[Kitchandro]

I know exactly what you mean. It's hard anyway not being able to get to many matches because of being in Manchester (and being impoverished!), it makes me feel a little detached from what's going on on matchday. Then when I look at results and comments from other fans and just generally all the stuff that goes on, I feel quite disillusioned.

Hopefully when I can afford to attend more often I'll get the spark back...

I think it's the same for a lot of people that have been to a lot of games as well. It just feels so deflating, the expectation in the summer was warranted, we'd spent loads of money and we had a right to believe it could be our year. But it's been such a let down. At least under Levein and Holloway I expected us to be an embarrassment. But now it's so much more embarrassing because of the money we've spent and the hope that I had.

It's not just that we are losing games, it's 4 home games already, and it's the wimpish manner in which we're losing them. It doesn't feel like I'm watching a team at all.

I'm not saying I particularly want Pearson back but the atmosphere around the club was so much better then. That's the last time we really supported a 'team'. Even last season when we were playing well I didn't feel the same pride that i did then.

[He's not bald]

Not read through this thread, too angry, all I want to say is that at this point in time and for the first time in my life I'm ashamed of my club, we are a fooking disgrace, what's going on is farcical and will end in tears, our owners might know a lot about far east duty free shopping but they sure as hell don't have a bloody clue about English football!

Here's some advice Top and co...either learn quickly or **** off back to Thailand!

[accessory]

Today just summed up what a massive job the new manager really has.

Basically we just don't have the necessary quality to break sides down.

King/Wellens/Gallagher are all part of a midfield which consistently fails to deliver. Not one of these players is good enough to get us out of this league. They lack pace and quality. They consistently slow the game down. King's automatic turn default is to turn backwards. Wellens takes one touch then another and then another more times than not. Gallagher just isn't a wide player and lacks pace and tenacity, he will sometimes take a half decent set piece but not always.

Add to these the set of oddments we have signed for the rest of midfield and it is obvious where the problem lies. Danns??? What is he?? He sure isn't a wide midfielder. He was shocking today. Fernandes is just as good but basically runs around a lot, Johnson, not really sure what he offers, doesn't seem able to get many starts and when he does doesn't look on the same wave length as his team mates. Finally Abe who basically isn't really good enough either.

Time and time again today we had a chance to break but the midfield took it so far and then stopped or slowed the game down long enough for Leeds to regain their shape.

Then upfront we start with Howard. This just shows how little progress we've really made in the last 16 months.

The need for a new manager is urgent. Those in charge today basically had no idea how to break Leeds down and didn't respond until it was too late. We look like a side full of uncertainty both on and off the pitch.

Agree completely. :appl:

Howard should have been on the bench today. Schlupp and Beckford running at their slow defenders would have been far more effective.

[dannythefox]

This is my view we probably out played them 60% 40% they had one good shot and scored, We had 3-4 chances and didn't as normal why is everybody so surprised. We have now failed 7times to get in to the playoffs positions we will NOT get automatic if something doesn't change fast we are not good enough we haven't been since Pearson left!

[Cropwellfox]

Not read through this thread, too angry, all I want to say is that at this point in time and for the first time in my life I'm ashamed of my club, we are a fooking disgrace, what's going on is farcical and will end in tears, our owners might know a lot about far east duty free shopping but they sure as hell don't have a bloody clue about English football!

Here's some advice Top and co...either learn quickly or **** off back to Thailand!

A big fat this.

We're a god awful shambles - I didn't think we'd ever be in a position to spend the type of money we wasted under Peter Taylor again, but £13m appears to have got us nowhere, and we find ourselves with a hopelessly unbalanced squad.

Laughing stock which just gets worse and worse

[SeCrEt FoX]

4 home defeats, only just in November, it reminds me of the time when Holloway took over, we are looking downwards not upwards/Say no to Pearson, get MON in, he is the only way forward, but we couldn't even be bothered to chant his name and let the owners know.The Leeds fans were fantastic, and made me jealous. Supporting Leicester used to be like that, I was in te kop and it was like a morgue. There is more atmosphere watching Rugby.Today was shicking, they didn't have a goalie and we didn;t manage one, no not one ****ing shot on target

Exactly what i was gonna post ,It was dreadfull!!, We made more noise in the so called minute silence then in the actual game itself.. I think we need to play Johnson a bit more , He looked in charge when he came on . And why oh why was we pulling out of 50/50 challenges? It was like watching Ballet dancers in a game of rugby ! GET YOUR NOGGIN ON IT FFS!!!!

[Number 6]

I seem to remember the players walking off last season as well.

The fact that the Last Post goes on for so long makes it seem as if that is the actual silence, as in it seems to go on for a minute.

I'm sure people were say all the fans (and players if we're being fair) are all completely thick but that's really not the point, you have to be prepared for people being thick (it is a football match after all) and I think it could be avoided had they made it clear that the minute silence begins once the bloke has finished playing the horn.

I'm not excusing people for screwing it up (especially the numbskull who decided to clap midway through for no reason) but still, I think they could do more to make sure it doesn't get screwed up. Even if you have to treat people like very small children it's better to be safe than sorry.

I thought last season's silence was supposed to start on the final note but it ballsed up so was changed to just be started by the horn. Barring a premature clapper and the resulting kerfuffle, it was observed reasonably well.

[Guest ttfn]

Mills' clearance for the goal was absolutely embarrassing.

He'd got himself in position, had steadied himself, a shit cross came in and rather than trying to pass it out or hoof it in to touch, he just prodded the ball into the path of a Leeds player.

It was a decent finish, but it wasn't the wonder goal some are saying. The ball was nicely teed up for him, he had no pressure on him and found the corner. You'd expect a decent finisher to put them away 50% of the time.

I tend to reserve any anger when watching football for instances of true incompetence. I define those as players making mistakes that I would get bollocked for by my team mates if I made them. I play football about 15 times a season in a pretty poor standard work league, so you can imagine the supposed difference in class.

But I would have expected a bollocking, if, like MIlls, playing at centre-back I had made such a weak and half-hearted attempt at making an easy clearance.

Generally speaking, it was a desperately poor game. Leeds played like a side who had been well beaten in the week. They were unimaginative all over the pitch, but unfortunately we were equally so. Just goes to show what a weird league the Championship is. A selection of results from the last week:

Burnley 3-1 Blackpool

Burnley 1-3 Leicester

Leeds 0-5 Blackpool

Leicester 0-1 Leeds

Football. Bloody hell.

[Kitchandro]

Another point about the Leeds fans - After the game I was walking down Saffron Lane behind 3 of them, and they had Southern accents.

[Kitchandro]

I thought last season's silence was supposed to start on the final note but it ballsed up so was changed to just be started by the horn. Barring a premature clapper and the resulting kerfuffle, it was observed reasonably well.

Well that's what everyone obviously thought, but I didn't hear anything about them changing it. I don't think they change such an important tradition, I think everyone just got the wrong end of the stick again.

[Guest ttfn]

Another point about the Leeds fans - After the game I was walking down Saffron Lane behind 3 of them, and they had Southern accents.

They can't be Leeds fans because they have southern accents?

I have a southern accent. Does that mean I shouldn't go to the KP any more? Or that I refine it into a broad Enderby tone?

Sorry, don't mean to be uppity about this, but it's the 21st century. The boundaries of who supports whom have changed.

[Kitchandro]

They can't be Leeds fans because they have southern accents?

I have a southern accent. Does that mean I shouldn't go to the KP any more? Or that I refine it into a broad Enderby tone?

Sorry, don't mean to be uppity about this, but it's the 21st century. The boundaries of who supports whom have changed.

I'm saying that I'm sure they have a lot of non-local fans. I'm not saying they can't support them, jus that they are a different kettle of fish to us with the amount of fans they have not from Leeds.

People compare their support to ours as if they are a similarly sized club, whereas in reality they have a fanbase big enough for the top 4 in the Premier League, and ours only big enough for the top 10.

[Guest ttfn]

I'm saying that I'm sure they have a lot of non-local fans. I'm not saying they can't support them, jus that they are a different kettle of fish to us with the amount of fans they have not from Leeds.

People compare their support to ours as if they are a similarly sized club, whereas in reality they have a fanbase big enough for the top 4 in the Premier League, and ours only big enough for the top 10.

True, and their support was excellent again today.

[seenitall]

We do seem a bit sad. Typically i am going to suggest that a knee jerk managerial change 13 games in perhaps hints at inexperience at board level. The majority of Sven's signings look like they have the ability to be a good side. Danns is hard to call but the back 4 and keeper look solid and Nugent is a star. Thought Fernandes, Abe and Johnson would have been good starters as would have Beckford. Becks had a point to prove and tried very hard in the short time he had. King and Wellens look OK but not game changers and Gallagher and Howard looked out of place, tired and slow. Howard didn't work as an idea, Leeds had him in their pocket from kick off and Gallagher can't tackle, has no pace and his one saving grace of a reasonable shot let him down.

Their goal was amazing and Mills had every right to expect his clearance, which was speculative, to be pick up by a City player, alas not to be. Wellens best moment was a fair shot, just saved and Beckford came close late on. Lots of daft penalty shouts and not much luck. I am sure we can turn it round and just because we are all pissed off we shouldn't assume all is bad. We should have held on to SGE until christmas as I am sure he would have started with some of the better players we have today and we could have outclassed Leeds in the middle and up front rather than just at the back. Top has plenty to answer for.

[Thracian]

What a shambles. Can none of our coaches actually analyse a game and respond to what they see? People on here seem to have seen it clearly enough.

I accept the team we put out because we won well enough at Burnley and have lost the only wingers we have (exposing a weakness Sven never covered for).

But it was obvious early in the second half that Howard was knackered, Danns was playing like a schoolkid, we had no effective width, no pace and no chance of getting behind a dogged Leeds defence.

I'd no great objection to bringing Beckford on but we should have used the pace of Schlupp much earlier. The bloke is already showing signs of losing his edge because he's been scandalously underused and today was just another example which would make any kid of his ability want to leave and go where he's better appreciated.

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I'd expressed my faith in Rudkin and co but this reminded me of their monotone effort at Plymouth a few years back when we ground out a 0-0 except this time it was only us that got nil.

Everything was wrong today. We were second to the ball, had no sense of purpose, had glaring weaknesses or problems in too many places, our ball control was clumsy, we were careless, we couldn't or wouldn't shoot and the teamwork disappeared. We also committed the cardinal sin of hoofing to Howard. instead of varying our approach.

And we were so naive in squandering potentially threatening situations. We had one free kick near the end where the angle wide to the left of the kop end goal was perfect for a fast inswinging cross towards Bamba, Beckford, Mills and company. We took it short, passed the ball into the middle, ruined the angle and wasted any chance of scoring. Indeed time and again we played high ball straight down the middle making life entirely comfortable for the visiting defence.

If the sum total of the above is what earns a coachng badge these days then I'm underwhelmed.

Today was the first time I've really noticed Danns since he's arrived here and the bloke looked like a litle boy lost. But, bad as he was he still got in a prolonged argument with Nugent who had made an absolutely brilliant run that Danns just didn't look up to see.

The argument should have ended in two words. "Sorry Dave," but the cameo emphasised that Danns was more pre-occupied with chopsing than contributing anything the might be effective.

I don't remember a shot worthy of the name testing their goalkeeper, it was our fourth home defeat, we scored another zero, we didn't look as fit as Leeds, the whole bloody performance could have been used as a coaching video of how not to play. Leeds weren't even ambitious.

They pressed high, pressured us into errors or hurried passes, competed for every ball and, like Bristol City and Millwall just waited to hit us on the break or to take advantage of an inevitable bit of carelessness such as Bamba is always inclined to present. But for all that we should have had a cast iron penalty.

Howard was clearly and cynically pushed in the box as a cross came over from the right. But given the manhandling the referee the referee failed to spot countless times against Howard in the first 20 minutes I wouldn't have been surprised to learn the bloke was registered blind. He really was appalling but it's really no excuse..

Man of the Match on a day that showed the grim reality of our situation? Perhaps Konchesky. He's not the greatest player but he gave his best in very defending with attitude and trying codntinuously to support our attacks and even have a dig at goal. He also stayed involved and I like that.

But it's little wonder there was no crowd atmosphere from our end. I imagine most just joined me in shaking their heads.

The key to our defeat was our lack of pace out wide and going forward, something that's cost us so dearly in other games because it makes defending easy. And that's down to bad planning right from day one.

[lcfcsnow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoCu43_qYz0

[bettso]

Just got back and need to say a few things.

Many people around me commented on the amount of work that Andy King does off the ball that not everyone sees. Now i'm not sure if the people making these comments have some sort of Jedi connection with Andy King but I really dont want him to be doing work off the ball. I want him on the ****ing ball and doing something with it. I've seen many games where he has offered very little but today really was poor. Wellens and Danns did nothing for the midfiled apart from slow attacks down and go backwards with the exception of injury time where Wellens thought it would be a good idea to flick it up and try an overhead kick when laying it off would have been the better option (he's supposed to be an experienced pro for ****s sake, what the **** was he thinking??)

Another thing I find baffling, if Steve Howard is the plan b that everyone has craved so much, why the **** did he start today? I'm bored of watching him asking for free kicks that are never going to come. His flick ons were rubbish, his passing was awful and he offered none of what everyone says that he brings to the party. He should have come off at half time for Beckford who was quite clearly up for it today.

Moving on to the officials. Officiating has decended into farce. At one point, an offside was claimed but when the defenders looked over to the linesman to claim, they were about 40 yards behind the play. Absolutely embarrasing. The amount of niggling fouls that the Leeds players got away with today was nothing short of disgraceful. They are a dirty team and they were not punished today.

Finally the fans. Our stadium and atmosphere is bloody awful. What the **** is going on?? From start to finish the atmosphere was negative, subdued and embarrasing. The Leeds fans taunted us and outsung us, and all we had was that fat bastard banging his ****ing drum. We have no chants individual to our players, we have no originality to any of our songs (on the odd occasion one is sung) and all we seem to be good at is sitting on our ****ing arses and moaning about anything and everything.

I'm moving to Cornwall in 3 weeks for a job and the Palace game will be the last game i'll get to go to in a very long time. I very much hope the appointment of a new manager perhaps injects some gusto into the crowd and also the team on the pitch. It's upsetting and depressing that something I have loved since the age of 5 has turned into what it has.

Often callers on the phone in talk about a lack of passion on the pitch. It's sad to say that this is the case of the fans but unfortunately, 90% of that stadium have zero of what we crave from our players.

I love Leicester City Football Club and I always will, but the way things are at the minute, I certainly wont miss it as much as I should.

[bob gregory]

you cant play wellens ,king ,danns and gallagher, wheres the graft and the natural width coming from with that set up.

[Beaze]

Living in Essex, I mainly see away games where Leicester support is usually very good (compared to the home team). Yes, it's pretty quiet at home but then that's the case for most teams. Perhaps, it's the all-seater era that's to blame?