Leeds United Post Match Thread

[lcfc12]

3 Words = Keep The Faith

Ok I know we were shit today and created f**k all. But we have to stay positive, still not miles off the play offs, new manager will hopefully bring about a change of tactics and get some width in the team. I agree with what the leeds fans have posted in that we're all giving up. ffs there's plenty of time. Just wait and see what the new manager brings

[accessory]

3 Words = Keep The Faith

Ok I know we were shit today and created f**k all. But we have to stay positive, still not miles off the play offs, new manager will hopefully bring about a change of tactics and get some width in the team. I agree with what the leeds fans have posted in that we're all giving up. ffs there's plenty of time. Just wait and see what the new manager brings

Cos they're a smashing bunch of lads who will redouble their efforts on the training ground.... :yawn:

These cliches never cut the mustard in the first place, so why dig them up and use them now?

[ajthefox]

Fair few things.

Firstly, to the Leeds fans on here - ignore some of our idiots. You know who you are, it's not like they've been as mongy as the Bristol City fans were about Maynard, they've been pretty fair, no need to call them for gloating, which they actually weren't.

The game. Well that was typical, jesus fvcking christ.

Why is it we bottle it? Every single time, bottled. Every chance to get into the top six, we fail, and fail absolutely miserably.

I credit Stowell/Rudkin for Tuesday at Burnley but I think today was a wake up call that our squad really isn't that good, we can hit teams who come and attack us but when they sit back like Leeds did, we just have no answer, and haven't done for years - there's no excuse when we've spent this much.

We had absolutely no spark, the first half was one of the biggest snoozefests I can remember supporting us, absolutely shocking "entertainment". I don't blame the coaching staff for today so much, I blame the players. No real interest at all, it says a fvcking lot when Jermaine Beckford looks one of your more committed players, embarrassing.

Beaten by an absolute screamer, once again, our ratio of screamers scored to screamers conceded is pathetically high. Mills' clearance was completely amateur. £5mil? Fvck sake. Mistakes like that should be 3 times a season at that price in this league, but he had another poor game.

I just don't understand it, I had a feeling today would be the day we finally win two in a row but I should've known this is Leicester, we've got a huge arrogance about us when we play out of form sides and I genuinely wish Leeds had beaten Blackpool 5-0, don't care if it was funny, it'd have given them a kick up the arse today. It's like the Bristol City game, all of their fans saying "no trust me Leicester may not be great but we're so bad there's just no way you won't win" and yet again we leave pointless. What the hell is wrong with us?

The atmosphere today was just a joke. Absolutely put to shame by the Leeds fans, that's how our away support should be (which it really isn't, it's good but compared to that it's awful), there's no positivity, a massive lack of passion/standing and we've got too many bellends at the club who are too arsed about safety rather than atmosphere. A mate of mine wrote to Top about moving the Kop to the Family Stand and got a reply (not sure if it was from Top himself) saying how health & safety won't allow it, so it's a shit atmosphere, which wont get any better.

Funny how we can't manage a one minute silence at the start, we managed it perfectly for the 90 following.

That ref was an absolute disgrace and shouldn't ref again for a LONG time. Today wasn't mis-judgment from him, that was plain bias. Howard was virtually raped, and then what about Bamba? Absolutely minimal contact - yellow card. How the fvck?

No penalty, again. I'm still not convinced that Tuesday really happened, I'm sure that was just a dream or something.

I'm absolutely livid, we're the laughing stock of the league and if we finish in the top two I'll fry my own bollocks.

Cheer up

[Nickfosse]

Fair few things.

Firstly, to the Leeds fans on here - ignore some of our idiots. You know who you are, it's not like they've been as mongy as the Bristol City fans were about Maynard, they've been pretty fair, no need to call them for gloating, which they actually weren't.

The game. Well that was typical, jesus fvcking christ.

Why is it we bottle it? Every single time, bottled. Every chance to get into the top six, we fail, and fail absolutely miserably.

I credit Stowell/Rudkin for Tuesday at Burnley but I think today was a wake up call that our squad really isn't that good, we can hit teams who come and attack us but when they sit back like Leeds did, we just have no answer, and haven't done for years - there's no excuse when we've spent this much.

We had absolutely no spark, the first half was one of the biggest snoozefests I can remember supporting us, absolutely shocking "entertainment". I don't blame the coaching staff for today so much, I blame the players. No real interest at all, it says a fvcking lot when Jermaine Beckford looks one of your more committed players, embarrassing.

Beaten by an absolute screamer, once again, our ratio of screamers scored to screamers conceded is pathetically high. Mills' clearance was completely amateur. £5mil? Fvck sake. Mistakes like that should be 3 times a season at that price in this league, but he had another poor game.

I just don't understand it, I had a feeling today would be the day we finally win two in a row but I should've known this is Leicester, we've got a huge arrogance about us when we play out of form sides and I genuinely wish Leeds had beaten Blackpool 5-0, don't care if it was funny, it'd have given them a kick up the arse today. It's like the Bristol City game, all of their fans saying "no trust me Leicester may not be great but we're so bad there's just no way you won't win" and yet again we leave pointless. What the hell is wrong with us?

The atmosphere today was just a joke. Absolutely put to shame by the Leeds fans, that's how our away support should be (which it really isn't, it's good but compared to that it's awful), there's no positivity, a massive lack of passion/standing and we've got too many bellends at the club who are too arsed about safety rather than atmosphere. A mate of mine wrote to Top about moving the Kop to the Family Stand and got a reply (not sure if it was from Top himself) saying how health & safety won't allow it, so it's a shit atmosphere, which wont get any better.

Funny how we can't manage a one minute silence at the start, we managed it perfectly for the 90 following.

That ref was an absolute disgrace and shouldn't ref again for a LONG time. Today wasn't mis-judgment from him, that was plain bias. Howard was virtually raped, and then what about Bamba? Absolutely minimal contact - yellow card. How the fvck?

No penalty, again. I'm still not convinced that Tuesday really happened, I'm sure that was just a dream or something.

I'm absolutely livid, we're the laughing stock of the league and if we finish in the top two I'll fry my own bollocks.

If we finish in the top two I'll eat them with fried onions!

[Leicester_Loyal]

Leeds away support is top notch, they were great.

[Dan]

Calmed down a bit but I'm still really pissed off. It's going to take until January at the earliest for us to get some serious stability in, I think by then it'll be too late.

[marbelladave]

Having stopped going to our games i have just had a read through this (and other) threads, The football was so totally useless that it appears the only thing to do is to get into an argument with a handfull of Leeds fans......

I am really looking for some signs that our team are actually going to start earning their outrageous wages and competing, showing some bloody commitment, Schmiechel, Bamba and Nugent aside it looks like no one gives a fook, until that changes I have no intention of giving up any more time and money just to have a bunch of players take the piss.

For most of this season I have put forward the view that we have very powerful squad with some very good players who could and should be extremely competitive in this league, but you know what, I'm beginning to think that this is not true, that they are every bit as crap as they look.

[Kitchandro]

I don't think we need to swap the Kop with the family stand to make a good atmosphere (I don't think that would make a massive difference anyway), I think we need some encouragement from the pitch. There was nothing out there today to inspire the fans. It's not just that we lacked ideas and never looked like scoring, it's also we never played as a team and never looked equipped for a fight.

I mean yes it's frustrating when there are people standing next to you not singing (tbf a couple of the regulars in K, I don't know why they're even there, and it would just happen to be someone standing right next to me wouldn't it) but at the same time I feel so deflated and I can imagine everyone else is the same. There is pretty much nothing to sing about at the moment and today was just another one of those performances that extinguished a bit more hope.

Calm down though, it's not like we got outsung by Doncaster.

[Nickfosse]

Having stopped going to our games i have just had a read through this (and other) threads, The football was so totally useless that it appears the only thing to do is to get into an argument with a handfull of Leeds fans......

I am really looking for some signs that our team are actually going to start earning their outrageous wages and competing, showing some bloody commitment, Schmiechel, Bamba and Nugent aside it looks like no one gives a fook, until that changes I have no intention of giving up any more time and money just to have a bunch of players take the piss.

For most of this season I have put forward the view that we have very powerful squad with some very good players who could and should be extremely competitive in this league, but you know what, I'm beginning to think that this is not true, that they are every bit as crap as they look.

If you'd been there, you wouldn't be beginning to think it. You would know for sure! Utterly clueless when it came to hurting the opposition in the areas that matter my friend.

[Dan]

Calm down though, it's not like we got outsung by Doncaster.

It's not like we wouldn't have been.

Seriously the atmosphere today was just so sterile it was almost depressing. It's becoming so bad that people are genuinely not even enjoying going anymore. At least the one saving grace with a lot of away game losses is that the atmosphere makes up for it. This is Leeds United, and all the kop could manage all day was "we all hate Leeds scum" I'd expect more from Scunthorpe United.

[ajthefox]

It's not like we wouldn't have been.

Seriously the atmosphere today was just so sterile it was almost depressing. It's becoming so bad that people are genuinely not even enjoying going anymore. At least the one saving grace with a lot of away game losses is that the atmosphere makes up for it. This is Leeds United, and all the kop could manage all day was "we all hate Leeds scum" I'd expect more from Scunthorpe United.

Millwall was the first time I've left a match on my own accord before the full time whistle. I have never felt so disappointed leaving the ground. I'd come back from Sheffield the night before for a 21st, had an amazing night and was hoping for 3 points and a mildy entertaining 90 minutes to round off my time at home before returning for uni. It was lone of the most uninspiring, life-sapping performances I've ever seen. We just gave nothing. Millwall were average, if that and not only did they deal with what we threw at them, but they also threw it back a lot harder and made it stick. I was just gutted, I felt so low after that, I felt like I was losing touch with the club that I love.

But it's all too easy to look at the negatives and to become wrapped up in the emotion. Just think back to Derby, if I'm not mistaken we were 7unbeaten, we had 4 home wins on the trot, 3 consecutive clean sheets and were climbing the table. We had our flaws but we were gradually improving and it was looking like things were finally coming together. I was out of breath and sweating like a bitch after what was a very, very sweet day.

Who would've thought just weeks later we would be where we are now? Managerless thanks to owners who are beginning to look more out of depth as each day passes with no news and looking devoid of almost everything you need to be successful in this league despite having spent more in one summer than most championship teams have spent in the past 2 or 3 years.

But that only goes to show how fickle this game is, and how in the space of a few weeks things can be turned on their heads.

[Kitchandro]

It's not like we wouldn't have been.

Seriously the atmosphere today was just so sterile it was almost depressing. It's becoming so bad that people are genuinely not even enjoying going anymore. At least the one saving grace with a lot of away game losses is that the atmosphere makes up for it. This is Leeds United, and all the kop could manage all day was "we all hate Leeds scum" I'd expect more from Scunthorpe United.

Of course we wouldn't. Are you actually serious? I can't believe this is coming from me you are just being overly-negative

None of the away support I've seen in the Championship even comes close to what we saw today. Like I said, it's expected, they are a massive club punching way below their weight and with their massive fanbase they have a much larger number of hardcore fans.

We are hardly ever outsung at our ground and if it wasn't for the deafening away chants every few minutes you wouldn't be calling us nearly as bad.

The Kop hardly every sings, so I don't know why you're surprised. If you sit in the Kop then I advise you to move, why you are judging our atmosphere in there I don't know. I don't care what it's called, it's not even half as good as the East Stand, which is usually very good and enjoyable.

Yes today we were poor but so was the team, there was almost nothing to get us going and we are all human after all. When you are so deflated it's very difficult to do anything other than pull your hair out and shake your head. Depressing atmosphere, depressing game. You can't judge our support or atmosphere on this game any more than you can judge our team on it. As far as the fans are concerned it was a one off, sadly for the team have performed like that a number of times this season, hence why they are being judged as crap.

[JmorsonLCFC]

let's go to the winchester and wait for all this to blow over

[lcfc12]

Cos they're a smashing bunch of lads who will redouble their efforts on the training ground.... :yawn:

These cliches never cut the mustard in the first place, so why dig them up and use them now?

Oh ffs can we not just be a little bit positive. At least there was effort out there today unlike millwall. Things aren't going for us at the minute and obviously we're not playing well but f**k it lets all give up shall we

[marbelladave]

If you'd been there, you wouldn't be beginning to think it. You would know for sure! Utterly clueless when it came to hurting the opposition in the areas that matter my friend.

Up until the Millwall game, I had seen every game this season (home and away), bar one, and I genuinely thought that the quality of our players was good, what was lacking was team selection, setup, organisation and the rest. After that totally inept performance I decided, 2 or 3 days before Sven was sacked, that until we started playing at something close to our potential I would not go to any of the games.

Not seeing the game I can not really comment on our latest performance but I find it hard to believe that it was anything other than as you say, clueless.....

What I have some difficulty in comming to terms with is how the team that beat Burnley with such ease could be so awful against Leeds, same players, so what went wrong?

To me it smacks of a lack of organisation and commitment, the very qualities that decent management instills into a team, although i am beginning to have my doubts I still think our players are better than this.

[Guest]

let's go to the winchester and wait for all this to blow over

Now there's a cracking plan

[ashfosse]

I see the atmosphere conundrum has reared its ugly head again.

I simply just don't go to home games anymore, other than the 'derby' games (which are still piss poor but i feel a need to be there for some reason).

I'd rather have a proper day out to a proper stadium with proper fans. see you at portsmouth!

P.S we can't compare ourselves to leeds. there fanbase is ridiculous mainly due to a lot of people's dad's supporting leeds.

WYS

[Kitchandro]

Up until the Millwall game, I had seen every game this season (home and away), bar one, and I genuinely thought that the quality of our players was good, what was lacking was team selection, setup, organisation and the rest. After that totally inept performance I decided, 2 or 3 days before Sven was sacked, that until we started playing at something close to our potential I would not go to any of the games.

Not seeing the game I can not really comment on our latest performance but I find it hard to believe that it was anything other than as you say, clueless.....

What I have some difficulty in comming to terms with is how the team that beat Burnley with such ease could be so awful against Leeds, same players, so what went wrong?

To me it smacks of a lack of organisation and commitment, the very qualities that decent management instills into a team, although i am beginning to have my doubts I still think our players are better than this.

I think they are better than this. And also, Leeds played much better than I imagine Burnley played. In fact their defence was nothing like we were told it would be.

We are still not playing as a unit and look short on confidence. We are playing poorly as a team and this means individuals are more likely to play poorer. There are some players that aren't that good and there are others that are underperforming (we've seen what some of them can do at other clubs) and for some it's both, but on the whole we have some good talent. It's not helped by the fact we are lacking some key ingredients (wingers) which makes us so one dimensional that players are expected to create something out of nothing all by themselves, or play through the middle, both of which are difficult, especially when there is hardly anyone with any pace. This is a problem that a lot of us foresaw in the summer and knew it would be a hinderance.

The new manager may not be able to sort that out until January, and I think until then we will continue to struggle against good defences, but we are still capable of putting something good together here.There are some really poor sides in this league and we can beat a lot of them. We just need someone to organise us as a unit (both when in possession and defending) and get us moving the ball quicker, which is as much to do with movement off it as players on it, something else we lack. If we can do those things we'll improve quite a bit.

[MC Prussian]

I think they are better than this. And also, Leeds played much better than I imagine Burnley played. In fact their defence was nothing like we were told it would be.

We are still not playing as a unit and look short on confidence. We are playing poorly as a team and this means individuals are more likely to play poorer. There are some players that aren't that good and there are others that are underperforming (we've seen what some of them can do at other clubs) and for some it's both, but on the whole we have some good talent. It's not helped by the fact we are lacking some key ingredients (wingers) which makes us so one dimensional that players are expected to create something out of nothing all by themselves, or play through the middle, both of which are difficult, especially when there is hardly anyone with any pace. This is a problem that a lot of us foresaw in the summer and knew it would be a hinderance.

The new manager may not be able to sort that out until January, and I think until then we will continue to struggle against good defences, but we are still capable of putting something good together here.There are some really poor sides in this league and we can beat a lot of them. We just need someone to organise us as a unit (both when in possession and defending) and get us moving the ball quicker, which is as much to do with movement off it as players on it, something else we lack. If we can do those things we'll improve quite a bit.

Until it is sorted in January, we will struggle, yes. It may take even longer than that.

Besides, there are no "poor" sides in this league, only fans who think they are "poor". As a supposedly "great" team, we've already lost too many crappy games against teams in the bottom half.

Every time we play "poor" sides, we end up playing poorly ourselves.

That's the biggest misconception of them all.

It hurts, of course, when shit happens. Unfortunately, this season, more shit has already happened than I'm willing to take.

The negativity from a certain fans' section towards Eriksson, the constant moaning, the inconsistency on the pitch, players not giving a sh*t, the sacking of Sven, still no new manager after two weeks (and counting), unbelievably bad results against "poor" sides in this league, ...

I'm close to having had it, really.

Everytime I'm thinking things will turn around for the better, it turns out to have been a false dawn.

What is it with this football club?

[ta-fc]

this is just my interpretation...

for me, a winger is someone with PACE, who can dribble with the ball, beat full backs and deliver a nice cross (eg. Snodgrass)

a wide midfielder (eg Gally) tends to stop, cut back inside and and usually plays a ball across from much deeper

This, for me is the root of our problem - our 'wide men' are too slow and deliver crosses that don't invite the forwards to be RUNNING ON to the ball

I would always play with proper wingers with the attributes explained above.

I'd agree with your interpretation there but feel you need one of each to be truly effective... It gives you balance and 2 different ways (and speeds) to getting the ball into the box...

[Guest MattP]

Like a few have said the whole season seems to be turning farcical.

Owners who appear to think throwing money at anything and everyone wil get you up, Svens absolutely hopeless effort in the transfer market somehow managing to spend 15 odd million to end up with a poorer side than last season. No creativity whatsoever, about ten people on the pitch who seem to do the same job. Lifeless stadium, boring negative football.

Not much more I can take of this tbh. Assuming top was having a say in what manager was in last season he has made cock up after cock up so far, he has to get the next one right.

[marbelladave]

I think they are better than this. And also, Leeds played much better than I imagine Burnley played. In fact their defence was nothing like we were told it would be.

We are still not playing as a unit and look short on confidence. We are playing poorly as a team and this means individuals are more likely to play poorer. There are some players that aren't that good and there are others that are underperforming (we've seen what some of them can do at other clubs) and for some it's both, but on the whole we have some good talent. It's not helped by the fact we are lacking some key ingredients (wingers) which makes us so one dimensional that players are expected to create something out of nothing all by themselves, or play through the middle, both of which are difficult, especially when there is hardly anyone with any pace. This is a problem that a lot of us foresaw in the summer and knew it would be a hinderance.

The new manager may not be able to sort that out until January, and I think until then we will continue to struggle against good defences, but we are still capable of putting something good together here.There are some really poor sides in this league and we can beat a lot of them. We just need someone to organise us as a unit (both when in possession and defending) and get us moving the ball quicker, which is as much to do with movement off it as players on it, something else we lack. If we can do those things we'll improve quite a bit.

Pretty much agree with this except waiting till January to sort this out is not really good enough........

A two step approach for me

The new manager needs to get some organisation and commitment into this team, I would suggest that we need to get our best players into their best positions which at least would give us a strong spine. The wide positions have to be filled by players 'doing a job', but not at the expense of the spine which for me would consist of Fernandes and King sitting in front of the back 4, a creative player, Danns, Gallagher or Johnson in front of them with Nugent leading the line. That leaves us with the 'wide' positions fill, so see if any of the players not getting a start in their regular positions want to play and at least play the position, see who is up for it.

Bring in a couple of creative attacking players in January, primarily to play the wide positions, that's if anyone is available that is.

[foxfanazer]

I really hate being negative about the team but something has to change if we have any chance of promotion. At the back we don't look too bad. The problem in my opinion is the midfield and attack. In midfield there is no width, we are playing it out to konchesky an peltier and the only option for them is to play it inside again because the is nobody making a run or coming short down the line. Although we spent big in the summer I think we made a mistake not signing a pacy winger. Also there is no creativity whatsoever, although I don't like singling out players for criticism Neil danns looked clueless on the ball against Leeds. Nugent has a nice touch and good work rate but I wouldn't say he could take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it single handedly when the rest of the team is playing so poor. Playing Howard works well 1 in 5 games but there is only 1 style of play when he's on the field. On the pls side I thought beckford looked more lively and interested when he came off the bench but is that just because it was against Leeds. Anyway that's my rant over

[thezagnworb]

Howard should only be comimg off the bench at the most !!! He was dog shit !!!!

[Babylon]

Whilst lots of doom and gloom at the moment. I think a manager who can get us organised and get the best out of players will have us into a good team. We have some good players, we just need a system and a manager to bring it out of them.

With the addition of a bit of pace and trickery in Jan we can still mount a challenge.