Webbo Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 I notice it doesn't mention the people who were killed following football in the how it was bit.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Really well put together and impressive Two points: 1. It won't happen..Health and Safety pervades EVERYWHERE... this will get worse, not better and has effectively killed off much of what you described. If anything like this ever comes back the Police/Media State will immediately stamp down on it. 2. I wonder what the relatives of those killed at Hillsborough or Hysel would think of this? I can see againsts AND fors for modern football...
Dan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Speaks volumes for me that the ticket shown is Leeds v West Ham at £30 in the Premier, it's now £36 to watch that in the Championship. It's getting worse, at a quicker rate.
Fox92 Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 It all comes down to money at the end of the day. We see in that video, grounds used to be full, and now they are not as full - generally, because prices are now higher. I agree, prices are stupid now and always going up, but not only is the price of things rising, but, I think there should be a stop on wages. For example, clubs like Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United are playing some players at least over 100k a week - why don't the FA stop that and then decrease ticket prices. At the end of the day, footballer's are playing football - they are not saving lives, piloting an aircraft or fighting for their countries - so surely if player's wages were decreased, then ticket prices could be as well. And surely the club itself is a winner then, because more people will be able to afford the ticket prices. I am not saying a ticket should be 50p, like we saw then for Aston Villa v Manchester United, because we are in a different era now and the price of everything is going up (as well as the price of tickets), but £35.00 for a second tier game is ridiclous now and it will not get any better, will it, it will just get worse. I understand that player's will accept a 200k a week contract (I know I would), because if someone offers it you, you are not exactly going to reject it, but, I am 100% sure there needs to be a cap on wages in particular.
bmt Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Very one sided video, but I do think surely some form of middle ground could be better than modern football as it is today.
Houdini Logic Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 It's 2011. STFU and get yourself a Forest away ticket.
lcfcadam Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Hillsborough was the result of gross idiocy on the part of the authorities and nothing to do with "how football was". Heysel was the result of idiot Liverpool fans and a stadium that was on the verge of collapse anyway. None of these things are part of what never needed to be taken from the game. But I also agree there's very little point getting arsey about it - we live in the H&S obsessed nanny-state country we live in and there's nowt any of us can do about it
lcfcadam Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Also having now actually watched the video; "low ticket's prices"? Was this put together by a preschooler?
Yojoe36 Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 I have to admit, football fans nowadays are a bit more... watered down? Not just at our club, but in general.
Dan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 It all comes down to money at the end of the day. We see in that video, grounds used to be full, and now they are not as full - generally, because prices are now higher. I agree, prices are stupid now and always going up, but not only is the price of things rising, but, I think there should be a stop on wages. For example, clubs like Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United are playing some players at least over 100k a week - why don't the FA stop that and then decrease ticket prices. At the end of the day, footballer's are playing football - they are not saving lives, piloting an aircraft or fighting for their countries - so surely if player's wages were decreased, then ticket prices could be as well. And surely the club itself is a winner then, because more people will be able to afford the ticket prices. I am not saying a ticket should be 50p, like we saw then for Aston Villa v Manchester United, because we are in a different era now and the price of everything is going up (as well as the price of tickets), but £35.00 for a second tier game is ridiclous now and it will not get any better, will it, it will just get worse. I understand that player's will accept a 200k a week contract (I know I would), because if someone offers it you, you are not exactly going to reject it, but, I am 100% sure there needs to be a cap on wages in particular. Agreed fully but it has to go global. The obvious reason being, what if England limits its players to £50k a week? All the ones on over that will be straight off to Spain, Italy, Germany, even fvcking Russia. Don't expect a global one to be brought in, if people think that it's unfair then don't worry, we can all settle it with a handshake, this is Fifa after all. There's too much of a greed culture. The Eto'o situation is what got me, I'll guess he was on £150k a week at Inter Milan, I'm sorry, but what more could you want? Would you really sacrifice a career with a global giant (although I have heard he'd fallen out with them, still someone massive would've took him on, not fvcking Anzhi), sacrifice living in a good country, one that doesn't have his own "fans" slating him for his colour, and for what? A huge pay rise, granted, but my point is, is having £300k a week seriously that much better than having £150k? Simple. Plain greed. It's not health & safety at all, don't let them try and fool you with that, H&S has far too much power so the morons just play that card every single time, because they can, and it seems to work. The ticket prices will only come down once fans stop paying them, and as I've said elsewhere I think them going up is a blessing in disguise, due to the fact they're become so stupidly high that eventually the penny will drop with fans here, and they will stop being paid. Sadly a lot of people who work at football clubs don't have the same vision as most people on here when it comes to a full stadium, they don't give two fvcks, it's fact, they only care about how much money they've made, you occasionally get ones who do care, and that's a real treat nowadays sadly, like I say it's a business and nothing else, it's a business and the actual football itself plays a little part. Fvcking sickening culture which'll take real work to get out of. But Germany did it. Come on England.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Hillsborough was the result of gross idiocy on the part of the authorities and nothing to do with "how football was". Heysel was the result of idiot Liverpool fans and a stadium that was on the verge of collapse anyway. None of these things are part of what never needed to be taken from the game. But I also agree there's very little point getting arsey about it - we live in the H&S obsessed nanny-state country we live in and there's nowt any of us can do about it The Hillsborough disaster led to the Scarman Report which led to the introduction of all seater stadia. Yes, the report claimed there were many contributory factors at Hillsborough, and indicated that the disaster would probably not have happened if that stand was seating, not terracing.. Therefore it was directly associated, at least in part, to 'how football was'?
davieG Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 The Hillsborough disaster led to the Scarman Report which led to the introduction of all seater stadia. Yes, the report claimed there were many contributory factors at Hillsborough, and indicated that the disaster would probably not have happened if that stand was seating, not terracing.. Therefore it was directly associated, at least in part, to 'how football was'? Political expedience though, he could have said it probably wouldn't have happened if no one had been allowed to attend. The authorities of the day let too many people into a totally enclosed area causing people to be crushed at the front, seating would have made no difference when you let too many people into a designated enclosed area.
lcfcadam Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 The Hillsborough disaster led to the Scarman Report which led to the introduction of all seater stadia. Yes, the report claimed there were many contributory factors at Hillsborough, and indicated that the disaster would probably not have happened if that stand was seating, not terracing.. Therefore it was directly associated, at least in part, to 'how football was'? Taylor Report. Any yeah of course it's related to the general topic, I just mean (as has been stated by thousands of people thousands of times) that wanting the return of terracing (a thing which has disappeared in modern football and never should have) doesn't mean I want the return of events such as Hillsborough. No one will ever make me believe that terracing is intrinsically unsafe. Okay, so Hillsborough wouldn't have happened if it had been an all-seater stadium? That's similar to saying something like "alcohol-related violence wouldn't happen if we banned alcohol". Great, it might solve the problem but would you want it?
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Taylor Report. Any yeah of course it's related to the general topic, I just mean (as has been stated by thousands of people thousands of times) that wanting the return of terracing (a thing which has disappeared in modern football and never should have) doesn't mean I want the return of events such as Hillsborough. No one will ever make me believe that terracing is intrinsically unsafe. Okay, so Hillsborough wouldn't have happened if it had been an all-seater stadium? That's similar to saying something like "alcohol-related violence wouldn't happen if we banned alcohol". Great, it might solve the problem but would you want it? Your right it was Taylor.. I've had to read so many over the years I'm getting my 'reports ' wrong.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Taylor Report. Any yeah of course it's related to the general topic, I just mean (as has been stated by thousands of people thousands of times) that wanting the return of terracing (a thing which has disappeared in modern football and never should have) doesn't mean I want the return of events such as Hillsborough. No one will ever make me believe that terracing is intrinsically unsafe. Okay, so Hillsborough wouldn't have happened if it had been an all-seater stadium? That's similar to saying something like "alcohol-related violence wouldn't happen if we banned alcohol". Great, it might solve the problem but would you want it? Spot on Mr Sharm I can't people are still associating terracing with the Hillsborough disaster. Forget seats and non-seats for a minute, lets talk about blocks. Nowadays, there are only a certain amount of people allowed in each block and you have to buy your ticket in a specific block (at most grounds now) If that was the case at Hillsborough the disaster wouldn't have happened. Standing or sitting, if you try to fit too many people in somewhere there will be problems. Imagine our stadium with fencing at the front of the stands, then imagine letting 100,000 people in instead of 30,000. The same thing would happen.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Terraces don't kill people. Stupidity kills people. Oh. And that video was massively shit.
The Doctor Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 It all comes down to money at the end of the day. We see in that video, grounds used to be full, and now they are not as full - generally, because prices are now higher. I agree, prices are stupid now and always going up, but not only is the price of things rising, but, I think there should be a stop on wages. For example, clubs like Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United are playing some players at least over 100k a week - why don't the FA stop that and then decrease ticket prices. At the end of the day, footballer's are playing football - they are not saving lives, piloting an aircraft or fighting for their countries - so surely if player's wages were decreased, then ticket prices could be as well. And surely the club itself is a winner then, because more people will be able to afford the ticket prices. I am not saying a ticket should be 50p, like we saw then for Aston Villa v Manchester United, because we are in a different era now and the price of everything is going up (as well as the price of tickets), but £35.00 for a second tier game is ridiclous now and it will not get any better, will it, it will just get worse. I understand that player's will accept a 200k a week contract (I know I would), because if someone offers it you, you are not exactly going to reject it, but, I am 100% sure there needs to be a cap on wages in particular. The FA can't just go and do that though as Dan LCFC said, if a wage cap is in place the best players will **** off abroad instead, a total team wage cap (i.e. total wage bill can't exceed X amount) might work slightly better, certainly rugby has retained quite a few good players despite the wage cap and what France can offer but for any difference to be made it needs to be a world wide thing. Likewise ticket prices should be capped, but they won't because fans will just shell out what ever the clubs ask. Look at Dortmund fans boycotting for being charged £20 for a game v Schalke last season, meanwhile we've sold 2k worth of tickets at about £7 more than that for a game v Doncaster.
marko Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 I love it how you state how 'passion' used to be displayed by English fans, yet use images from Continental Europe where flares, tifos and ultra's section were common place. It also shows images of police brutal from what appears to be an Eastern Block country, I and i'm sure many others can say, that they've never seen those levels of violence towards English fans' in modern football. P.s I like the irony of highlighting all-seater stadiums and the use a picture of a stadium with safe terracing. Well researched.
lcfcadam Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 Terraces don't kill people. Stupidity kills people. Oh. And that video was massively shit. Agreed on all fronts.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2011 Posted 14 December 2011 I love it how you state how 'passion' used to be displayed by English fans, yet use images from Continental Europe where flares, tifos and ultra's section were common place. It also shows images of police brutal from what appears to be an Eastern Block country, I and i'm sure many others can say, that they've never seen those levels of violence towards English fans' in modern football. P.s I like the irony of highlighting all-seater stadiums and the use a picture of a stadium with safe terracing. Well researched. Don't think he made the video, dude.
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