davieG Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I went into a supermarket yesterday and I asked the Manager why they had sold me mouldy bread he told me I must have delusions of grandeur to expect them to provide something better. It was football clubs themselves that turned this sport into a business and us from fans into customers and escalated the costs of going so they shouldn't be surprised if we expect value for money.
flowwolf Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 If we the fans had any delusions of grandeur in the first place they were quickly shot down by the re appointment of Pearson. I remember thinking at the time is he really the best we can do ? If anyone is deluded it is him , who does he think he is to talk about us in that way.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 delusions of grandeur -an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary When he took over we were 14th, the players were playing badly, we didn't look up to the task. So is he wrong to wonder why people are expecting the same bunch of players to do much better than they already were? There is no evidence to suggest we are any better than our league position and how we are performing.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Isn't it more deluded to think that having one up front is the best way to set up a team at home and with low confidence? isn't he deluded to say we are low on numbers when we have more players than we can remember and that he left out two good young players who looked hungry for games and isn't it deluded to pin your hopes and dreams on an invisible man and an old fart in midfield only to bring your 4 million pound striker on with 19 minutes left... I was gutted when Sven left and walking away from every crap home game it's been "Well under Sven we'd of lost this one" "well under Sven we wouldn't of had a chance" how long can people keep saying that and believing it under Sven we beat Brighton, Southampton and thumped derby all at home and at the minute i doubt we could beat Oadby town but he's right we are deluded for wanting my £400 season ticket to give me entertainment i've spent around £2000 this season so far and i've only seen us win 8 times! and the only convincing performance i've seen was against Rotherham.
Bloomer Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I don't feel deluded. I hoped we we would be challenging for promotion but after supporting this team for 40 odd years I would not dare to predict such an event, no matter how much dosh we had or who the manager is. I do not expect success, what I do expect is a home performances that sustain my hope for better things. According to the BBC stats (I have no idea how accurate they are) Barnsley had more posssion than us on Saturday and mnaged one more attempt than us on target. We managed 3 on target. Their manager stated that they "came with a plan and stuck to it". We either had no plan or several different unconnected plans. I am no great tactician, I can only see football as a game not a science. WE simplu do not get the ball in to the opposition's box often enough to generate chances for the likes of Beckford and Nugent. We make 10 passes then hoof it. If we can't keep the ball lets at least try and get the ball in and around their box more often. We do need someone who will hold the ball in the last 1/3 and then do something positive with it, rathet than just play it 20 yards backwards At home we should take the initiative not surrender it to the opposition. We are not doing the simple things well, this is the foundation every team needs. Clever stuff is only clever if it works. Yes jabbering ramble isnt it. That's how I feel. Jabbered and rambled. PS. I didnt boo but I wept loudly.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Isn't it more deluded to think that having one up front is the best way to set up a team at home and with low confidence? isn't he deluded to say we are low on numbers when we have more players than we can remember and that he left out two good young players who looked hungry for games and isn't it deluded to pin your hopes and dreams on an invisible man and an old fart in midfield only to bring your 4 million pound striker on with 19 minutes left... I was gutted when Sven left and walking away from every crap home game it's been "Well under Sven we'd of lost this one" "well under Sven we wouldn't of had a chance" how long can people keep saying that and believing it under Sven we beat Brighton, Southampton and thumped derby all at home and at the minute i doubt we could beat Oadby town but he's right we are deluded for wanting my £400 season ticket to give me entertainment i've spent around £2000 this season so far and i've only seen us win 8 times! and the only convincing performance i've seen was against Rotherham. Since Sven was sacked he seems to have suddenly become the messiah that would have taken us to the promised land. On the 22nd of October after his sacking we were in 14th place. Today we stand in 15th place. Yes we were only 2 points off sixth place, but that was after 13 games. If his points trend had continued for the following 13 games then we would have been 4 points off sixth place. Obviously stats mean little, we could have taken more points or less points under him (there was little evidence of getting more though). Lets not paint his time here to be anything other than it atually was! The passing football of last season had gone except for a couple of 45 minutes, he was playing Pearsons old midfield when they were available, and he was struggling to get anything from these players and the new signings he had expensively assembled, just as Pearson is now. People are having a go at Pearson for blaming Sven and the players. Is that not what most people were already doing on here before his sacking? People said the squad was unbalanced, people said his new midfield signings had done little to prove themselves better than what we had, people said the flowing football had gone, people said the players looked uninterested, people said he was just collecting individuals and not a team.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 HAHAHA it hurts when the truth hit homes, whether he's talking about the players or us lot as the fans he got it spot on. Or is he just talking about the club full stop.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Or is he just talking about the club full stop. I think he's talking about everyone from top to bottom.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Sven was no messiah and there are real problems in the squad that i'm not disagreeing with what i'm saying is in Nigels post match interview he said there was lack of selection and i find it hard to believe when you have a good result at Palace by bringing in some young blood and making the first teamers take note you don't just let them back in and leave the other ones in the cold do you? We know Moore is cup tied so he could of played against barnsley and given the first teamer his position back fresh and ready against a failing forest side. The people are there yes we need strengthening but as i said to my friends yesterday this transfer window will be used more to get rid of dead weight than to bring anyone in and at the minute we are doing that with no clear signings in sight (the only two official we know of Hull have said never and Sharp has decided against it).
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Sven was no messiah and there are real problems in the squad that i'm not disagreeing with what i'm saying is in Nigels post match interview he said there was lack of selection and i find it hard to believe when you have a good result at Palace by bringing in some young blood and making the first teamers take note you don't just let them back in and leave the other ones in the cold do you? We know Moore is cup tied so he could of played against barnsley and given the first teamer his position back fresh and ready against a failing forest side. The people are there yes we need strengthening but as i said to my friends yesterday this transfer window will be used more to get rid of dead weight than to bring anyone in and at the minute we are doing that with no clear signings in sight (the only two official we know of Hull have said never and Sharp has decided against it). It's a shame that those two youngsters came in for players that had actually been doing well this year. Peltier and Konchesky have been one of the few positives this year. So whilst I understnad what you are saying, it would perhaps have been a bit harsh that they continue to be left out. Athough after Saturday I wouldn't be shocked to see both the kids come back in as they were both terrible!!!
Ric Flair Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 We are under-performing, we have done under Sven and we are doing under Pearson. This midfield worked for Pearson the last time around and we have a better goalkeeper by a country mile, a far superior set of full backs and really our 2 central defenders are equally as good. Strikeforce? Certainly no worse than in 09/10 but Nugent cannot do it all on his own at the minute. Our fans have always been cretins and I take no notice of the mood they are in, they'll always boo a home defeat even if it's a one off, let alone a regular occurance, Pearson has probably 4 league games to save his job and a minimum of 8 points is needed otherwise he'll be gone in my opinion. He is making King and Wellens look even worse than they did under Sven, incredible really. It is far more route one than we ever played under him the first time around and given Sven got the lads playing a decent passing system, almost over-doing it at times then it's obvious something is amiss. Time for Nigel to step up to the plate. I believe in him. Just.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 It's a shame that those two youngsters came in for players that had actually been doing well this year. Peltier and Konchesky have been one of the few positives this year. So whilst I understnad what you are saying, it would perhaps have been a bit harsh that they continue to be left out. Athough after Saturday I wouldn't be shocked to see both the kids come back in as they were both terrible!!! I'm only saying whats on my mind i don't want to come across as negative but it's hard not too Nigel Pearson is the only manager i have seen win anything with leicester bringing him back was a risk in my opinion but i was happy to see him back i just dont see why he made this comment unless it's to the players and staff because i've never met an LCFC fan who is big headed tbh i've always been down to earth and i think a lot of fans are.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm only saying whats on my mind i don't want to come across as negative but it's hard not too Nigel Pearson is the only manager i have seen win anything with leicester bringing him back was a risk in my opinion but i was happy to see him back i just dont see why he made this comment unless it's to the players and staff because i've never met an LCFC fan who is big headed tbh i've always been down to earth and i think a lot of fans are. It was a fair point, they did well. If they had been in midfield or up front they may have kept their places. As I said, it's probably just unfortunate that their positions were full back as that's where we had been doing ok most of the season.
Captain... Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Does anyone else notice the irony in the fans booing and shouting abuse from the stands, calling the players every name under the sun, and then get all defensive when they are pulled up on it and being accused, rightly so, about having delusions of grandeur. It's the same as when the players issue statements encouraging fans to be positive, they just get shit. Yes you pay you money and you have your say, but don't get all precious when the players and manager you berate eventually have a pop back.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 After all the hype in the summer look where we are now, I do hope that NFP comments are asking every one to take a reality check. I recall Golden Balls getting in on the act. As for fans booing was it unfair? A lot left well before the end when we are only one goal down says an a lot. But we are looking at basics here, players not doing what they can and are paid to do. What happened to the we can handle the pressure ? I do hope, not believe, that NFP can sort us out as if he can not it fills me with dread where this will all end, how many of you remember opposing fans chant ' let's all do a Leicester ' when we went bust, that hurt but not as much when we went down to the Third Division Please Nigel do what needs doing, but if you do not blive that you can sort this mess out then put your hands up and say so. I love you Leicester, my club, my team till I die
davieG Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Does anyone else notice the irony in the fans booing and shouting abuse from the stands, calling the players every name under the sun, and then get all defensive when they are pulled up on it and being accused, rightly so, about having delusions of grandeur. It's the same as when the players issue statements encouraging fans to be positive, they just get shit. Yes you pay you money and you have your say, but don't get all precious when the players and manager you berate eventually have a pop back. Except it was the club that sowed the seeds for their delusions by their constant talk of promotion, it was the Thais that sacked Sven for under performing, it's the Thais that have put promotion this season as the yardstick for success and this is assuming it's delusional to expect players to look like they actually know and train with each other, can manage a pass to a team mate, give a toss and to win the occasional game at home. These players are good enough to achieve more than they are doing we've seen it, if they are not better/stringer as a team than they are as individuals, if their attitude is wrong then it's the managers job to correct that not to have digs at the fans for expecting what the Thais have told them to expect.
1964FOX Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Does anyone else notice the irony in the fans booing and shouting abuse from the stands, calling the players every name under the sun, and then get all defensive when they are pulled up on it and being accused, rightly so, about having delusions of grandeur. It's the same as when the players issue statements encouraging fans to be positive, they just get shit. Yes you pay you money and you have your say, but don't get all precious when the players and manager you berate eventually have a pop back. I disagree, if Nigel had said ''our fans are twats booing the players isn't going to help them any, what sort of retards are they. The players need to be supported and I will bollock them if need be'' then fair play but to suggest winning the odd game at home and a decent performance from the players NO.
Darkon84 Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Ive not read every page on here, but I can see where Pearson is coming from. Ive said something similar for so long now, but I was saying that we had 'Newcastle Syndrome'. Newcastle are a big club, there is no doubt about it, but they were living off of, and thinking they were still the Keegan team from the 90s, for so many years, even when they were playing so shite and got relegated to the champ. In all fairness, they are back up there now though, but I hope you get the point anyway. The majority of our fans appear to think we have a god given right to be in the prem. Guess what, times have changed since MON was here, get used to it, and there isnt going to be a quick fix, like we all hoped and wished there would be. Everyone needs to start being a little bit more realistic.
flowwolf Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 When he took over we were 14th, the players were playing badly, we didn't look up to the task. So is he wrong to wonder why people are expecting the same bunch of players to do much better than they already were? There is no evidence to suggest we are any better than our league position and how we are performing. Presumably he took on the job because he believed he could do better with those players , can't believe he thought he would be given money to buy a whole new team. So am i wrong to believe he got ambition mixed up with ability ?
Danno Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I've completely given up on any play off hopes now, whereas in the summer I would be dissapointed if we finished outside the top 2. We had one of the best squads in the championship and now it feels like one of the worst. Next season Pearson will turn it round and I expect to win the league.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Presumably he took on the job because he believed he could do better with those players , can't believe he thought he would be given money to buy a whole new team. So am i wrong to believe he got ambition mixed up with ability ? I think he knows we have a core of players that are ok. But as he has said from day one there is a balance that isn't right, and we've all been saying that as well. Perhaps he also thought the players he had who were good for him, such as Wellens and King wouldn't have lost form so badly that they no longer resemble the players he had previously. It's ok looking from the outside at the list of names we have, but only when you are in and around them do you know what they are like. Most people on here thought we had assembled something better than what we have. Sadly it's very much looking like we haven't.
Darkon84 Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I've completely given up on any play off hopes now, whereas in the summer I would be dissapointed if we finished outside the top 2. We had one of the best squads in the championship and now it feels like one of the worst. Next season Pearson will turn it round and I expect to win the league. Not without Kasper we wont. If we dont hit the playoffs, I can see him playing premiership football next year.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 whereas in the summer I would be dissapointed if we finished outside the top 2. And that sums up nicely why Pearson said it. You aren't the only one thinking like that, it seems the people who are most angry are the ones who believed we should have been walking away with it.
Filbert_Ross Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Ive not read every page on here, but I can see where Pearson is coming from. Ive said something similar for so long now, but I was saying that we had 'Newcastle Syndrome'. Newcastle are a big club, there is no doubt about it, but they were living off of, and thinking they were still the Keegan team from the 90s, for so many years, even when they were playing so shite and got relegated to the champ. In all fairness, they are back up there now though, but I hope you get the point anyway. The majority of our fans appear to think we have a god given right to be in the prem. Guess what, times have changed since MON was here, get used to it, and there isnt going to be a quick fix, like we all hoped and wished there would be. QPR did it the right way Everyone needs to start being a little bit more realistic. 9 managers in 4 years is the way to go then.
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