Offensive phrases!

[Reynard Bleu]

Confusing thing racist remarks. I recall being in bugger of a fire fight with what I presumed were Taliban Afghans, peppered with Pakistani, Chetchyns, Saudi, and other insurgent fighters. On my left was Private Vantu, a huge Fijian on my left Corporal Valliant (real name) from Kingston Jamaica. Both black men, both fine soldiers. Between the very accurate busrts of fire they were putting down they were screaming what can only treally be termed as racist insults at the enemy, the usual 'raghead and camel shagger' stuff but some muslim specific stuff I had never heard before, quite disgusting and derogatory. I suspect our foe would have accused us of blatent racism had they survived. Back at the FOB later in the day I asked why they felt the need to shout such racist filth at the insurgents. Corporal Valliant replied, "racist boss? Me? I can't be racist I'm a f**king ni**er boss".

[Finnegan]

The problem with chink, paki, etc (besides the fact the people they're aimed at find them offensive - which should be enough) is that they're frequently used to target people whom are neither Chinese or Pakistani by ignorant ***** who refuse to acknowledge the difference.

It's the same reason the dog eating chant aimed at Yuki was both stupid and offensive.

Sadly, it almost seems fashionable to flaunt your ignorance these days and hide behind some nonsensical attack on "political correctness" as if only people who cry racism at bah bah black sheep should object to genuine racial prejudice.

[sphericalfox]

Saying "I'm not racist but..." usually precedes some nasty racist drivel by a person trying to make a racist point without wanting to sound racist.

don't tell lcfcstu....

[Captain...]

Are there any words or phrases that I, as a white hetero male can feel legitimately offended by ?

I'm feeling very left out at the moment

Pom, cracker, honky, whitey, sassenach, guiri, gringo...

We can justifiably take offense to those terms but we don't, so they have no power, but then we have never been the subject of great oppression, in 100 years time when the Chinese rule the world and the white anglo saxons are forced to work in sweat shops for a pittance and are spat at and called "Gweilo" (white devil) then we will be able to truly empathise.

[Zingari]

Pom, cracker, honky, whitey, sassenach, guiri, gringo...

We can justifiably take offense to those terms but we don't, so they have no power, but then we have never been the subject of great oppression, in 100 years time when the Chinese rule the world and the white anglo saxons are forced to work in sweat shops for a pittance and are spat at and called "Gweilo" (white devil) then we will be able to truly empathise.

You are joking aren't you ?

Our form of oppression has been much more subtle , our class system in the UK has been as oppressive as anything used openly as "slavery"

Our slavery meant we were given the same goddamn awful tasks , given a meagre pittance , and then forced to pay for food clothing , housing etc

We couldn't blame "white masters" for it though and the whites didn't invent slavery or oppression of other groups of people.

[Captain...]

You are joking aren't you ?

Our form of oppression has been much more subtle , our class system in the UK has been as oppressive as anything used openly as "slavery"

Our slavery meant we were given the same goddamn awful tasks , given a meagre pittance , and then forced to pay for food clothing , housing etc

We couldn't blame "white masters" for it though and the whites didn't invent slavery or oppression of other groups of people.

(I am not sure if you are joking here, but I will play along)

Ok oppression based on our skin colour, or nationality, or at least not for a thousand years, and whilst we didn't invent slavery we certainly perfected it.

Our class system can be restrictive and even oppressive, but we have democracy and the power to fight it we just choose not to, and it is in no way comparable to slavery.

[Zingari]

(I am not sure if you are joking here, but I will play along)

Ok oppression based on our skin colour, or nationality, or at least not for a thousand years, and whilst we didn't invent slavery we certainly perfected it.

Our class system can be restrictive and even oppressive, but we have democracy and the power to fight it we just choose not to, and it is in no way comparable to slavery.

i'll play along too

I’ve tried to explain that life in Britain for the under classes was still slavery albeit more subtle .

I am talking about the period when black people were used as slaves not the present day.

You seem to be comparing the life and rights of white people now ( in the present day ) to the plight of black people during that time when black people were slaves.

This is not a fair comparison

White people (the great majority anyway ) were just as enslaved by white rulers as black people , but they had an illusion of freedom that made it almost impossible to rebel against.

With no colour difference the enslaved only grievance was against a hard to define class system. There were no obvious “them and us” difference

It makes no difference if you are enslaved what colour your masters are.

Did black slaves enslaved by other black masters feel any less enslaved?

Slavery was going on for a lot longer in Africa than the modern European usage so I really think it’s time we stopped feeling this inherited guilt for what our ancestors did for a relatively short period in our history .

edit ;

How many more generations need to feel this guilt before we can consign it to something that just happened in our history ?

Yes it was wrong , but it wasn't me or anyone I know personally that were guilty of these horrible crimes and there are many more evil doers and oppressiveness around in the world in the present that we should be concentrating our venom upon

[OzFox]

Confusing thing racist remarks. I recall being in bugger of a fire fight with what I presumed were Taliban Afghans, peppered with Pakistani, Chetchyns, Saudi, and other insurgent fighters. On my left was Private Vantu, a huge Fijian on my left Corporal Valliant (real name) from Kingston Jamaica. Both black men, both fine soldiers. Between the very accurate busrts of fire they were putting down they were screaming what can only treally be termed as racist insults at the enemy, the usual 'raghead and camel shagger' stuff but some muslim specific stuff I had never heard before, quite disgusting and derogatory. I suspect our foe would have accused us of blatent racism had they survived. Back at the FOB later in the day I asked why they felt the need to shout such racist filth at the insurgents. Corporal Valliant replied, "racist boss? Me? I can't be racist I'm a f**king ni**er boss".

Be curious to know what the insurgents were shouting back at you. Or do they show a bit more decorum in Afghan trenches?

[Captain...]

i'll play along too

I’ve tried to explain that life in Britain for the under classes was still slavery albeit more subtle .

I am talking about the period when black people were used as slaves not the present day.

You seem to be comparing the life and rights of white people now ( in the present day ) to the plight of black people during that time when black people were slaves.

This is not a fair comparison

White people (the great majority anyway ) were just as enslaved by white rulers as black people , but they had an illusion of freedom that made it almost impossible to rebel against.

With no colour difference the enslaved only grievance was against a hard to define class system. There were no obvious “them and us” difference

It makes no difference if you are enslaved what colour your masters are.

Did black slaves enslaved by other black masters feel any less enslaved?

Slavery was going on for a lot longer in Africa than the modern European usage so I really think it’s time we stopped feeling this inherited guilt for what our ancestors did for a relatively short period in our history .

edit ;

How many more generations need to feel this guilt before we can consign it to something that just happened in our history ?

Yes it was wrong , but it wasn't me or anyone I know personally that were guilty of these horrible crimes and there are many more evil doers and oppressiveness around in the world in the present that we should be concentrating our venom upon

Ok fair point, it wasn't clear in your original post, but I still don't think it is comparable, slaves were taken out of their country and away from their homes, the under classes in Britain, are probably comparable to the poverty stricken sweat shop workers in China and India, whilst not slaves they still enjoy the freedoms of life but are very much restricted in what they can do. When I think of slavery I don't think of people working hard long hours for a pittance, slave labour if you will, I think of people forcibly ripped from their homes and denied basic freedoms. Neither are right.

As for when will we stop feeling guilty for our colonial past, and slavery I guess it will be when black and asian people are not judged on their skin colour but by their actions, and when those countries that we colonised are able to compete equally with us on an economic scale.

[Zingari]

Ok fair point, it wasn't clear in your original post, but I still don't think it is comparable, slaves were taken out of their country and away from their homes, the under classes in Britain, are probably comparable to the poverty stricken sweat shop workers in China and India, whilst not slaves they still enjoy the freedoms of life but are very much restricted in what they can do. When I think of slavery I don't think of people working hard long hours for a pittance, slave labour if you will, I think of people forcibly ripped from their homes and denied basic freedoms. Neither are right.

As for when will we stop feeling guilty for our colonial past, and slavery I guess it will be when black and asian people are not judged on their skin colour but by their actions, and when those countries that we colonised are able to compete equally with us on an economic scale.

OK I'll take this point

Why would you round up white workers who were already suitably enslaved and experienced in the factories, mines, mills and farms in Britain ( or the dying and diseased workforce leftover from these jobs ) when there was a much better quality stronger under utilised healthier labour available from Africa

A black African could probably do 4 or 5 times the work in the hot climates of the new world than the disease ridden malnourished white man .And would have a longer expected work life span .

The decision to use black slaves was pure business pragmatism, not respect for the sanctity or respect of white skinned folks.

If whites had have fitted the criteria and were available , they would have been shipped off just as eagerly .

[Raw Dykes]

My mistake I thought that the OP was talking about having a chinese take-away.

Don't worry mate. I was joking. Hence the winky smiley and the following "In all seriousness..."

Did anyone hear about that Liam Stacey who made some disgusting tweets after the tragic events of last weekend? Here's a proper bell end with some offensive phrases...

[Reynard Bleu]

Be curious to know what the insurgents were shouting back at you. Or do they show a bit more decorum in Afghan trenches?

Never got close enough to hear, the only thing detained suspected insurgents ever said was "no Talib, no Talib".

[Guest Mee-9]

'Plastic Fan' - Seems to get many peoples goats on here.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

The word "WOG" was World War 2 slang, referring to Asian members of the RAF. It meant "Westernised Oriental Gentleman", which was in fact meant as a compliment.

i hate the way it's meaning has changed, to being so offensive.

[21st Century Fox]

The word "WOG" was World War 2 slang, referring to Asian members of the RAF. It meant "Westernised Oriental Gentleman", which was in fact meant as a compliment.

i hate the way it's meaning has changed, to being so offensive.

Isn't it from the North African workers on the Suez Canal that had to wear armbands stating W.O.G.S (Working On Government Services) to prove they were official workers and not just there to pick up the pay. Which also gave the term Golliwog.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

[Trav Le Bleu]

This isn't gonna end well.

On the plus side, I'm liking the mental image of my bones braking.

Nonsense, I'm sure you've got years left before the osteoporosis sets in!

[Trav Le Bleu]

Pom, cracker, honky, whitey, sassenach, guiri, gringo...

We can justifiably take offense to those terms but we don't, so they have no power, but then we have never been the subject of great oppression, in 100 years time when the Chinese rule the world and the white anglo saxons are forced to work in sweat shops for a pittance and are spat at and called "Gweilo" (white devil) then we will be able to truly empathise.

Stupid Gaijin.

For the record "Getting down to the nitty gritty" is found offensive by some afro-americans, since it refers to going down into the hull of a slaveship to clean out the faeces and dead bodies (the nitty gritty) left over from a voyage - ie, doing something unpleasant, but important.

You have to be quite educated to be offended though.

Not that I' am in any way suggesting that afro-americans aren't!

[Trav Le Bleu]

I’ve tried to explain that life in Britain for the under classes was still slavery albeit more subtle .

I am talking about the period when black people were used as slaves not the present day.

You first line is perfectly true of course and to a certain extent still is.

In some cultures being a slave could actually be quite good - regularly fed, roof over your head, etc. Depends what you think of as slavery.

By the way that I think of slavery I think that white people still have foreign slaves today. They just aren't in our country any more because they don't need to be. They can work in horrible, smelly, sweathouses on the other side fo the world for a pittance, so we can live in luxury and - even better, not have our consciences twinged by occasionally seeing one of them!

Result!

I think.

[Finnegan]

Baka gaijin.

[HEGGSY]

<p>

Baka gaijin.

Eh, less of the stupid, please.

[OzFox]

Isn't it from the North African workers on the Suez Canal that had to wear armbands stating W.O.G.S (Working On Government Services) to prove they were official workers and not just there to pick up the pay. Which also gave the term Golliwog.

Didn't know that.

In Australia, "wog" is usually aimed at people of Mediterranean descent. My wifes family are Italian Aussies, and have the surname Golinelli. No prizes for guessing what they got called at school.

[OzFox]

A social worker friend of mine was working in Woolwich a few years back. She was asked by a Jamaican colleague not to used terms like "black eye" or "white christmas" because they were apparently offensive to black people.

[NeilyBoy]

Didn't know that.

In Australia, "wog" is usually aimed at people of Mediterranean descent. My wifes family are Italian Aussies, and have the surname Golinelli. No prizes for guessing what they got called at school.

They're nearly right then, North Africa is on the Mediterranean after all.

[Guest Bilo]

I find the N word disgusting, and that includes when black people use it themselves with an 'a' at the end of it.

All that does is legitimise its usage among white racists because the response becomes 'that's how they talk to each other, so why can't I do it?'