theessexfox Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Everyone says the ref wouldn't have given it, but he reaches to his pocket, deals with someone, reaches to same pocket again, deals with someone, then reaches to same pocket again and pulls out the red. Always gonna give it.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Oh man, was that a crazy tackle or what. Bloody dangerous, and instant red. Danns should be ashamed of himself.
Haydos Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Yes Bert, but the way we are going with the rules it will soon be a non contact sport. Those sorts of crunching tackles lift the crowd. If there weren't so many cheats in the game rolling all over the place, perhaps it could become a man's game once again, rather than who can cheat best. I'm not saying Danns' challenge didn't deserve a red having seen it again, but the good hard tackling midfielder, much like the dodo, will be a extinct breed in the not too distant future. So they way to go is rewarding poor, cowardly tackles? There is nothing wrong with good, hard tackles. They're good because the player has control over them, there's nothing to stop players going in hard if they do it properly, that's perfectly within the rules. Why is it so hard to understand that these two footed challenges are illegal and rightfully so?
acooling08 Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 The only reason 2 footed challenges are illegal these days is because the players are worth so much money, they need to be wrapped in cotton wool to make sure they are 100% safe. That has upsides and downsides imo.
Jace Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Yes Bert, but the way we are going with the rules it will soon be a non contact sport. Those sorts of crunching tackles lift the crowd. If there weren't so many cheats in the game rolling all over the place, perhaps it could become a man's game once again, rather than who can cheat best. I'm not saying Danns' challenge didn't deserve a red having seen it again, but the good hard tackling midfielder, much like the dodo, will be a extinct breed in the not too distant future. Have you ever played football before? Breaking someone's legs so badly they may never be able to walk properly again does not make football a man's sport and I reckon the majority of the crowd would not want to see that happen to players either
NeilyBoy Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 The only reason 2 footed challenges are illegal these days is because the players are worth so much money, they need to be wrapped in cotton wool to make sure they are 100% safe. That has upsides and downsides imo. Let's arrange an FT kickabout: We'll all stick to 2-footed lunges when you have the ball and see if you still think that afterwards.
Jace Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Let's arrange an FT kickabout: We'll all stick to 2-footed lunges when you have the ball and see if you still think that afterwards. I'll be up for that!
acooling08 Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Let's arrange an FT kickabout: We'll all stick to 2-footed lunges when you have the ball and see if you still think that afterwards. Danns' tackle wasn't the standard 2 footed lunge. The one by Cisse for QPR yesterday had me wincing, but Danns' was more a clumsy tackle gone wrong more than anything. He definately pulls his feet out of the challenge.
NeilyBoy Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Danns' tackle wasn't the standard 2 footed lunge. The one by Cisse for QPR yesterday had me wincing, but Danns' was more a clumsy tackle gone wrong more than anything. He definately pulls his feet out of the challenge. He points them downwards at the end of the challenge to help control his landing if that's what you mean. The fact that that's the first point in the challenge where he's got any sort of control of his momentum says it all. Awful challenge and it gives me no pleasure to have to come to that conclusion.
Jackirius Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 I thought this was a follow up to Tulisa's sex tape when i saw the thread. * Bad tackle as well.
Sly Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Stonewall red card. If they'd made contact they'd both of been in worlds of pain. Both players leave the ground though.
acooling08 Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 There is a wider issue with referees being all to eager to sent players off. Sending a team down to 10 men shouldn't be so common as it is nowadays as it can badly affect the game and make it less competitive. Would it not be better for the ref to book Danns and have a talk with him basically saying '1 more and you're off' rather than giving an instant red? As it stands, 1 rash moment of adrenaline and you are banned for 3 games. Just my opinion on this, I never like seeing players get sent off.
NeilyBoy Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 What are you trying to argue here? Yellow cards already exist for that purpose, but the fact is that Danns' challenge could have caused serious harm of the sort that jeopardises careers. If contact was made nobody would argue that he didn't deserve to be sent off. The ref had a set of guidelines to follow and here he stuck to them well. The real problem is making sure such decisions remain consistent across all refs.
acooling08 Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 What are you trying to argue here? Yellow cards already exist for that purpose, but the fact is that Danns' challenge could have caused serious harm of the sort that jeopardises careers. If contact was made nobody would argue that he didn't deserve to be sent off. The ref had a set of guidelines to follow and here he stuck to them well. The real problem is making sure such decisions remain consistent across all refs. But any sliding tackle has the potential to break somebody's legs. Look at all the broken legs in the past 10 years, and tell me the % that were caused by 2 footed tackles.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 But any sliding tackle has the potential to break somebody's legs. Look at all the broken legs in the past 10 years, and tell me the % that were caused by 2 footed tackles. I'd also probably say most of those challenges aren't even malicious, just unlucky.
NeilyBoy Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 But any sliding tackle has the potential to break somebody's legs. Look at all the broken legs in the past 10 years, and tell me the % that were caused by 2 footed tackles. You know I can't do that so I guess you win this argument.
Libertine Dream Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Just a question: Are two footed tackles actually more dangerous? Genuine question I think red cards are over used nowadays, but if theyre the rules then so be it. As soon as I saw Cisse's tackle yesterday then I thought definite red so I can't make excuses for Danns.
NeilyBoy Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Just a question: Are two footed tackles actually more dangerous? Genuine question I think red cards are over used nowadays, but if theyre the rules then so be it. As soon as I saw Cisse's tackle yesterday then I thought definite red so I can't make excuses for Danns. To pull off a two footer requires you to surrender control of your momentum, so if any collision happens it's impossible to manoeuvre yourself in a way to limit the damage to yourself, but more importantly to the other player (being the one making the challenge the likelihood is that you have more momentum and will impart more force on your opponent than you receive) - ok so there are some tossers out there who will do the opposite and try to ensure damage, but the point is you have much less control in a two footer and therefore it's a more reckless and dangerous challenge by definition.
ealingfox Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Mee on Taarabt at Loftus Road last year if anyone remembers it = good, hard challenge. force could be deemed excessive as so many tackles are these days, but when you are as controlled and accurate as that, no chance of getting in trouble. Danns' tackle yesterday clearly does not tick any of the same boxes, red for me although I think McKenna should definitely also have been booked at least.
theessexfox Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 If it was an opposition player every single one of us would say stonewall red card. No doubt about it.
MGLCFC Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 I will still say it's a man's sport and far too many footballers try to get fellow professionals sent off by rolling around in agony or crowding the ref. - and I didn't excuse Danns' challenge, it was a red card. However, surely watering the pitch before kick off and at half time encouraging sliding, stud led tackles.
AKCJ Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 I'll put my two pence worth in and say that if McKenna got the ball then we'd have been screaming for him to be sent off. For me it's a 50/50. Danns got unlucky IN MY OPINION.
AKCJ Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 But any sliding tackle has the potential to break somebody's legs. Look at all the broken legs in the past 10 years, and tell me the % that were caused by 2 footed tackles. Most are down to studs locking into the turf. In fact i'd say 90% are down to that.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Danns isn't a dirty player but for me it was two footed, over the ball and therefore a straight red card and not a chance of winning an appeal.
Guest ttfn Posted 25 March 2012 Posted 25 March 2012 Most are down to studs locking into the turf. In fact i'd say 90% are down to that. Well, it's studs locking into the turf and then somebody smashing full-blooded into the guy's legs.
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